Lord of the Rings Online

Originally posted by dragonace

And I think I responded with I agree to disgree, correct?  Perhaps you'd like us to rewind all the drivel posted since and just go back to that simple statement?  You gotta admit I tried. 

I think ppl got your point.  You like the game. 

Saying that every time someone says something diffrent does not change their opinion ;Þ  If someone doesn't like the minstrel Class as the healing class of LOTRO (be it part of the lore or not) then they will not like it any more cause you like it .   Get it ? 

I think I have stated pretty clearly why I dont like LOTRO lore wise that is.  I feel it should have been done alot better in a way.   There are many other things I dont like and were as much of a game killer for me.  I've already named few of them here before on the forums.  But this was topic about the Lore and I tried to stick with it.

 I've said this few times before - I will say it once again.  I feel LOTRO has come out 5-10 years to early.  The MMO genre needs to develop more to bring out such epic story in my opinion.  The movies of LOTR are masterpiece in my eyes and do the great story alot of justice.   LOTRO does not in my opinion.  Part of it is lore related since it doesn't fit into the MMO schene.  Part of it is poor work from Turbine in many departments and outdated gameengine.   If the movies would have been done in 1980s they would have been flop COMPARED to the status they now have.  I feel the same about LOTRO.  It is a flop compared to what it could have been.   In 5 -10 years we will probably see some MMo that would give the story more justice.   But it will not be in the world of Middle Earth sadly. 

Originally posted by Alan0n

 

Originally posted by dragonace

And I think I responded with I agree to disgree, correct?  Perhaps you'd like us to rewind all the drivel posted since and just go back to that simple statement?  You gotta admit I tried. 

I think ppl got your point.  You like the game. 

Saying that every time someone says something diffrent does not change their opinion ;Þ  If someone doesn't like the minstrel Class as the healing class of LOTRO (be it part of the lore or not) then they will not like it any more cause you like it .   Get it ? 

I think I have stated pretty clearly why I dont like LOTRO lore wise that is.  I feel it should have been done alot better in a way.   There are many other things I dont like and were as much of a game killer for me.  I've already named few of them here before on the forums.  But this was topic about the Lore and I tried to stick with it.

 I've said this few times before - I will say it once again.  I feel LOTRO has come out 5-10 years to early.  The MMO genre needs to develop more to bring out such epic story in my opinion.  The movies of LOTR are masterpiece in my eyes and do the great story alot of justice.   LOTRO does not in my opinion.  Part of it is lore related since it doesn't fit into the MMO schene.  Part of it is poor work from Turbine in many departments and outdated gameengine.   If the movies would have been done in 1980s they would have been flop COMPARED to the status they now have.  I feel the same about LOTRO.  It is a flop compared to what it could have been.   In 5 -10 years we will probably see some MMo that would give the story more justice.   But it will not be in the world of Middle Earth sadly. 

Like the subscription numbers, the amount of people on the servers, the number of failed games in the MMO industry, the impending doom of LoTRo when other games are released, the popularity of  LoTRo currently, well I think you get the point.  Suffice to say, you drifted from the topic on a few occasions.

You have mentioned numerous time in this thread as well as others your opinion and everyone knows you don't like the game.  So, why should I as a gamer who plays and likes the game, and is posting on a forum for the express purpose of discussing said game have to be the one who stops repeating myself?

Wouldn't it make more sense for the player who doesn't like or play the game to say their piece and then move on?  Doesn't it make more sense for players and fans of the game to be the most vocal on a forum dedicated to that game?

Just like you say that you and others won't change your opinion when I and others repeatedly say that we do like the game... it works the other way too.  You won't convince us that we don't like the game we are playing and having fun with friends and other players.  You will also soon realize that when you post misleading statements or opinions as facts... we will call you on it, since we have the added benefit of actually playing the game at the current time.

Originally posted by dragonace

 

And I think I made pretty clear that as long as a person states it as their opinion I don't take any issue with it.  It wasn't until you started stating some opinions as fact that I called you out on a few topics.  

 

Like the subscription numbers, the amount of people on the servers, the number of failed games in the MMO industry, the impending doom of LoTRo when other games are released, the popularity of  LoTRo currently, well I think you get the point.  Suffice to say, you drifted from the topic on a few occasions.

You have mentioned numerous time in this thread as well as others your opinion and everyone knows you don't like the game.  So, why should I as a gamer who plays and likes the game, and is posting on a forum for the express purpose of discussing said game have to be the one who stops repeating myself?

Wouldn't it make more sense for the player who doesn't like or play the game to say their piece and then move on?  Doesn't it make more sense for players and fans of the game to be the most vocal on a forum dedicated to that game?

 

Just like you say that you and others won't change your opinion when I and others repeatedly say that we do like the game... it works the other way too.  You won't convince us that we don't like the game we are playing and having fun with friends and other players.  You will also soon realize that when you post misleading statements or opinions as facts... we will call you on it, since we have the added benefit of actually playing the game at the current time.

Dumdidum - Some1 has porblem not having the last word

Since you seems to know better - then maybe you can show us some stats on how populare LOTRO is then.  How many are playing it ?   I look at the game as total failure if it can't compete with other MMOs like WoW.  Why ?  I've stated it over and over here.  Its ALOT more well known story than Warcraft ever was.  I think LOTRO has about same numbers of players playing now as EQ2 and Guildwars atm.  I base that on number of servers rather since none of these companies are actually giving out pure account numbers. And thats just crap. EQ2 has 20 servers in US for example while LOTRO has 14.  Ofc we can not compare those two games to 220 us servers of WoW.  We all know that   Still.... LOTRO outsold WoW if you compare the first month of the two games.  So why aren't there 220 LOTRO servers now ?  Because all like it so much ? And Guild Wars have announched over 4 million copies sold (orginal game).

   LOTRO is same game engine as DDO.  DDO has how many players ?   Its only the name that is drawing players to LOTRO imo.  Nothing else.  Then they find out how crappy it is and leave. Well - Id say at least 90% do.  I base that on the number of players I know have tried it and didn't like it.  Many of them are now in betas of the new games coming out and like it much more   

How big percent of players started or tried LOTRO because of  the lore?  Dunno exactly.  But its seems to be obvious that its not what many players are after longterm.  14 servers in the entire US?  Oh how populare it must be... 

Originally posted by Alan0n

 
Dumdidum - Some1 has porblem not having the last word

Pot, meet kettle.

Anyway, the point that's been stated so many times is that there's a difference between lore being a game-killer for certain people and being a game-killer in general.  The fact is, there are any number of things about this game from lore to art style to system requirements to game mechanics that will make it totally unappealing to a lot of people.  That applies to every every MMO, including WoW.

Even if there are only 150-200k players (wild guess) in LotRO, that's 100-200k players that enjoy the game for what it is.  Doesn't matter if the population matches up to your "authoritative" statements of what the numbers should be.  And guess what else... Turbine is developing the game for those players that do like the game for what it is, not for ones that don't.  If a player doesn't like a game, they're the ones that are responsible to move to another game that they do like.  The developer isn't supposed to alienate the loyal playerbase by changing up their vision to accomodate people that don't agree with the vision in the first place.

I enjoy having my place in Middle Earth.  I don't want to be the ultimate hero in the story, and I don't want the world changed in order to make me feel like more of a hero.  I understand that the game, story, and world are bound by rules, and those rules are what make it enjoyable for me.  It was the same way with pre-Jedi SWG.  One of the main things that made it great was that you weren't some superhero... you were just a normal citizen playing with other normal citizens while an epic story was taking place.  That style of gameplay simply doesn't appeal to the mass of gamers these days, but I'm fine with that... there are plenty of other games they can go play.  Leave our game to us.

Originally posted by patri0tz

 

Originally posted by Alan0n

 
Dumdidum - Some1 has porblem not having the last word

 

 

Pot, meet kettle.

 

Anyway, the point that's been stated so many times is that there's a difference between lore being a game-killer for certain people and being a game-killer in general.  The fact is, there are any number of things about this game from lore to art style to system requirements to game mechanics that will make it totally unappealing to a lot of people.  That applies to every every MMO, including WoW.

 

Even if there are only 150-200k players (wild guess) in LotRO, that's 100-200k players that enjoy the game for what it is.  Doesn't matter if the population matches up to your "authoritative" statements of what the numbers should be.  And guess what else... Turbine is developing the game for those players that do like the game for what it is, not for ones that don't.  If a player doesn't like a game, they're the ones that are responsible to move to another game that they do like.  The developer isn't supposed to alienate the loyal playerbase by changing up their vision to accomodate people that don't agree with the vision in the first place.

 

I enjoy having my place in Middle Earth.  I don't want to be the ultimate hero in the story, and I don't want the world changed in order to make me feel like more of a hero.  I understand that the game, story, and world are bound by rules, and those rules are what make it enjoyable for me.  It was the same way with pre-Jedi SWG.  One of the main things that made it great was that you weren't some superhero... you were just a normal citizen playing with other normal citizens while an epic story was taking place.  That style of gameplay simply doesn't appeal to the mass of gamers these days, but I'm fine with that... there are plenty of other games they can go play.  Leave our game to us.

 

 

Well said. 

Originally posted by Alan0n

 

Originally posted by dragonace

And I think I responded with I agree to disgree, correct?  Perhaps you'd like us to rewind all the drivel posted since and just go back to that simple statement?  You gotta admit I tried. 

I think ppl got your point.  You like the game. 

Saying that every time someone says something diffrent does not change their opinion ;Þ  If someone doesn't like the minstrel Class as the healing class of LOTRO (be it part of the lore or not) then they will not like it any more cause you like it .   Get it ? 

I think I have stated pretty clearly why I dont like LOTRO lore wise that is.  I feel it should have been done alot better in a way.   There are many other things I dont like and were as much of a game killer for me.  I've already named few of them here before on the forums.  But this was topic about the Lore and I tried to stick with it.

 I've said this few times before - I will say it once again.  I feel LOTRO has come out 5-10 years to early.  The MMO genre needs to develop more to bring out such epic story in my opinion.  The movies of LOTR are masterpiece in my eyes and do the great story alot of justice.   LOTRO does not in my opinion.  Part of it is lore related since it doesn't fit into the MMO schene.  Part of it is poor work from Turbine in many departments and outdated gameengine.   If the movies would have been done in 1980s they would have been flop COMPARED to the status they now have.  I feel the same about LOTRO.  It is a flop compared to what it could have been.   In 5 -10 years we will probably see some MMo that would give the story more justice.   But it will not be in the world of Middle Earth sadly. 

You don't even know about Maiar. You're referencing the movies all the time. You said

"The Wisards you talk about are powerfull but are they SO powerfull that no player in MMO version of the game should never get close JUST cause the lore talked about 5 of them ?"

Seriously, why did you even try this game? You seem to have no interest in the Lore whatsoever.

In response to the origional poster, I see your point, but at the same time when you mention Blizzard doing what they want, yes..I suppose they do, even if it takes them half a year to get a small content patch out, and are somehow surviving off 1 expansion in over 3 years.

I'm a big MMO fan, and a Lord of the Rings/Hobbit fan too. And Turbine in my opinion has handled this title wonderfully....And I can't really think of any recent games that have really offered what this one does!