General Discussion

Late last week, managing Editor Jon Wood was given a preview of the upcoming Book 12: The Ashen Waste by the dev team from Turbine's Lord of the Rings Online. Today, he passes on some information about the new visual character customization system.

Late last week, I had the opportunity to jump onto the test server for Turbine’s Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar with a couple of developers to check out the content that will be added when the company releases Book 12: The Ashen Waste.

When it launches, the free update will add some interesting new content to Middle Earth: new areas to explore, new quests including the continuation of the game’s Epic Quest line, a new Player vs. Monster Player area and more. Still though, the major focus of The Ashen Waste (and the focus of the first part of this preview) is the detailed player customization that is being added.

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The appearance customization really seems to miss the point.  The people who could wear heavy armor can already look cool.  The medium and light armor people are still stuck in clown suits.  But now we can wear one ugly piece of armor and show a different ugly piece of armor.  This system only benefits the heavy armor wearers... and they were already the only ones with anything decent looking to wear.

In their mad rush to borrow features from other games, they are kinda missing the point with this one.  What they need to add is more variety to the armor we can already wear.  Maybe they could make a conscious effort to come up with some light armor that doesn't make you look like a color-blind hobo.

People want to be able to make their character look COOL in an MMO.  I understand efforts to make high level armor look cooler than low level armor... but I don't think there is really any reason lo make armor look cooler and cooler the heavier it gets.  Not unless everyone eventually unlocks the ability to wear it.  I just don't understand the motivation behind all the ugly armor... or why they think letting people wear two suits of ugly armor does anything to correct the problem.

Originally posted by Salvatoris

The appearance customization really seems to miss the point.  The people who could wear heavy armor can already look cool.  The medium and light armor people are still stuck in clown suits.  But now we can wear one ugly piece of armor and show a different ugly piece of armor.  This system only benefits the heavy armor wearers... and they were already the only ones with anything decent looking to wear.

In their mad rush to borrow features from other games, they are kinda missing the point with this one.  What they need to add is more variety to the armor we can already wear.  Maybe they could make a conscious effort to come up with some light armor that doesn't make you look like a color-blind hobo.

People want to be able to make their character look COOL in an MMO.  I understand efforts to make high level armor look cooler than low level armor... but I don't think there is really any reason lo make armor look cooler and cooler the heavier it gets.  Not unless everyone eventually unlocks the ability to wear it.  I just don't understand the motivation behind all the ugly armor... or why they think letting people wear two suits of ugly armor does anything to correct the problem.

Sure, you can put all the missed matched armor pieces you want in the Outfit slots, but you can also find a good set and dye all the pieces the color you want, then have a decent set.

You can also slot whole outfits that were design specificly for the Outfit system. The outfits they have a pretty cool looking. There are some nice outfits for RP purposes. You can also mix and match the Outfits that were designed specificly for Book 12 with pre-existing armor and cloaks.

IMO, your character will only look as cool as your imagination. I've got a level 16 Burglar that looks really cool in crafted and looted armor and hooded cloak that I dyed blue. The dye was only 14s a piece so it's not like a paid an arm and a leg to get it.

The beauty of the outfit system is that since I like that combo so much I can set it as one of my outfits when Book 12 goes live and then equip stat based armor that  would be different colors and styles.

I think it's a step in the right direction in so far as giving players more control over the appearance of their avatars. I hate that itemization has become the norm for character development, but that's a discussion for another post.

I miss old school SWG where you clothing and appearance weren't necessarily indicative of your strength, level, ect. As sad as it may be, LotRO's outfit systems is as close as we can get to that right now.

Maybe one day developers will go back to skill based stuff that isn't so heavy on the itemization, but until then this is a much needed addition to these types of MMOs.

Salvatoris had said it best

"Borrow" is the key word...and this appearance tab system was already implemented in EQ2 about 3-4 months ago..and the fact remains...it will not save the visuals of the mediocre armor..So, hopefully some better looking outfits come out than the emasculating form fitting leather look

LOTRO still continues to clone the best games..

Later

Originally posted by openedge1

Salvatoris had said it best

"Borrow" is the key word...and this appearance tab system was already implemented in EQ2 about 3-4 months ago..and the fact remains...it will not save the visuals of the mediocre armor..So, hopefully some better looking outfits come out than the emasculating form fitting leather look

LOTRO still continues to clone the best games..

Later

Did you just totally miss my post or are you just that bound and determined to not see what's really there because of your preconcieved notions?

They created tons of Outfits that go over your existing stuff that can be bought from different places. It looks nothing like the stuff that's all ready in the game.

In fact give me a second and I'll edit this post with a link to the pictures of the new stuff. It's amazing to see people post this stuff without really looking into it.

Here's a link to a list of all the new hairstyles and the new outfits that go over, meaning replaces the outward apearance of your character:

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=115004

Interesting. This may solve one of the issues I had with this game. But I still have other issues needing resolving before I quit WoW to play it. Cool looking armor was one issue, but fun classes is another. I had no fun playing any of the classes offered in LoTRO. My favorite class in a MMORPG is a warrior/mage hybrid. You know, fighting with a sword in one hand a spell in another. I play WoW in hopes that the new Deathknight class will be what I've been waiting for in this generation of polished games. One other thing WoW did better than Lotro, which is why I won't play it is the variety of starting areas and places to level. In LoTRO, I only like playing the Elves and Humans. Both have a different starting area, but meet up in Breeland. From that point onward, everyone is doing the same quests. This makes for no replay value. WoW has 7 or 8 starting areas with 2-4 different ways to level up without repeating the same content. That's at least twice as long playing time as I could get in Lotro for the same price. I look for value in my games; the cool factor, which WoW has with its armor you can get and the epicness of the world; and a sizable community, where I can find a good guild and it is easy to find groups.

LoTRO just fails in my book and by the time it is cool enough for me to play, it will be too late for it. But I am truley happy some people have found a home in that game. I was just hoping for more than what I got in that game.

Sorry for the rant.

Its amazing,  you give people a way to look different and they still complain. And whats with this copy or burrowed thing people keep talking about. I love the fact they add customization, every mmo needs it. Who gives a  crap this mmo,  that mmo,  have this system already, im not playing that mmo im playing LOTRO.

Originally posted by JK-Kanosi

Interesting. This may solve one of the issues I had with this game. But I still have other issues needing resolving before I quit WoW to play it. Cool looking armor was one issue, but fun classes is another. I had no fun playing any of the classes offered in LoTRO. My favorite class in a MMORPG is a warrior/mage hybrid. You know, fighting with a sword in one hand a spell in another. I play WoW in hopes that the new Deathknight class will be what I've been waiting for in this generation of polished games. One other thing WoW did better than Lotro, which is why I won't play it is the variety of starting areas and places to level. In LoTRO, I only like playing the Elves and Humans. Both have a different starting area, but meet up in Breeland. From that point onward, everyone is doing the same quests. This makes for no replay value. WoW has 7 or 8 starting areas with 2-4 different ways to level up without repeating the same content. That's at least twice as long playing time as I could get in Lotro for the same price. I look for value in my games; the cool factor, which WoW has with its armor you can get and the epicness of the world; and a sizable community, where I can find a good guild and it is easy to find groups.

LoTRO just fails in my book and by the time it is cool enough for me to play, it will be too late for it. But I am truley happy some people have found a home in that game. I was just hoping for more than what I got in that game.

Sorry for the rant.

I'm just too burned out on WoW to ever go back. I've been playing LoTRO, but I don't know how long it will last. The RP value is loads better in LoTRO than any other current title.