Vanguard: Saga of Heroes

It's no secret that Vanguard is on life support currently and has very low subscription numbers. A lot of people will be playing the three new releases I mentioned, including some current Vanguard players.

It's not other mmorpgs that are going to be the problem but the support it gets from SOE, or lack of which is most likely to be the case.

It's hardly surviving without AoC, WAR, or TCOS.

Since I'm not a PvP fan the only game on that list that even seems remotely interesting is AoC.  Believe it or not I think there is a market for PvE players and seems to me that VG is really the only modern game that is of interest in this space now or in the near future...

Are vanguard numbers that low? I thought it was pretty healthy, at least it seems so to me. Is TR or PoTBS doing any better? I know PoTBS isn't for sure.

Without supporting the gay community i don't know how vanguard can survive, even though i play it.

Well , I don't know if it will survive to AoC,War or Spellborn .. but will definitely NOT survive to Aion !

Does anyone have a link that shows the current earnings for Vanguard for the past year?  That would tell you quite a bit about is current state of affairs monetarily.  Other than that most of these posts are speculating on it's demise. 

From what I gather, it's doing very well and growing.  Those of you that play can verify this for me.  I, for one will be returning as soon as I find a guild that will take lower level players.

Anyway, I really doubt that AoC and Warhammer is going to change the player base much, as the ones that play are very dedicated, and I would be very glad to meet them in game.

I find the state of the game as stable with a healthy and steady influx of people who are staying. The guild I am in on the Halgar server has recently reached maximum recruits and is not taking in any new members for the foreseeable future if that is any indication. Travelling across the continents I encounter travellers, adventures, crafters and diplomats in most every place I visit, prior to December this was not the case. Many folks have returned and are pleased with the state of the game; also new people are joining at a steady rate and liking the challenge. Some are finding it difficult however due to the games complexity, but that is the games charm…some may like it – others won’t. Some people prefer playing a good game of chess, others a game of checkers.

For those who have not tried it yet and don’t want to invest economically yet, I’d recommend waiting for the free trial island to become available – which shouldn’t be too long in coming. Otherwise if you can’t wait, enjoy an intellectual challenge rather than being spoon fed…and you have a descent rig to run it, you should give it a try…you might find it very rewarding.

Originally posted by alyndale

Does anyone have a link that shows the current earnings for Vanguard for the past year?  That would tell you quite a bit about is current state of affairs monetarily.  Other than that most of these posts are speculating on it's demise. 

SOE's station pass skews these numbers anyway, so earning statements wouldn't really be enlightening. I'd bet there are as many people logging into VG through station pass as log in through a VG sub.

From what I gather, it's doing very well and growing.  Those of you that play can verify this for me.  I, for one will be returning as soon as I find a guild that will take lower level players.

I was back in December and the population seemed a bit higher than when I left in September. But it was a free period for nearly 200k people who purchased the game at launch. Unless the people on the free ride had a much better comeback experience than I did, I doubt they forked over the cash for a new sub. 

I will probably give them $15 after GU4 (provided the character model revamp goes live with GU4) IF SOE provides some insight as to where they plan to take the game in the future. I have to say that the enhancements to the Riftway system don't sound appealing to my taste, and if the new "vision" is more changes of this ilk, I know for sure the game will never be for me.

http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=27244

Their defensive posturing has not helped them any since they took this game over. If they want VG to appeal to a different demographic, they should just state it clearly and go out and attack those players. Then again, I suppose the electricity would be off by next week if they made that statement officially. Nah, they will contine to dose players with small patches that hint at a change of direction and let them bitch about it for a couple weeks until the next small tremer comes, and eventually people will wake up and log into a different game altogether.

Anyway, I really doubt that AoC and Warhammer is going to change the player base much, as the ones that play are very dedicated, and I would be very glad to meet them in game.

I used to believe that AoC and WAR wouldn't attract players from VG as well. However, now I believe that unless SOE makes some huge strides (and they probably won't) before AoC and WAR launch, VG players will probably bail just to check them out. The PvP server will almost assuredly be a ghost town, as there are entire guilds on Sartok just waiting for AoC and WAR to launch. Who knows if those players will return to VG or not. I guees it de