WAR (Warhammer Online)

I browse these forums a lot. I started to come here because a friend told me to check out the SWG pre-cu talk a while ago. However, after reading some of the ignorant stuff being said about Warhammer I had to post.

I have been playing MMORPGS for a while. Played Wow since a couple months before open beta (thanks to a friend) and quit only a couple weeks ago. Played Pre-cu swg, EQ, GW and various other failed experiments (Rf anyone?)

I am currently in Warhammer beta, and no I am not going to be breaking the NDA. However I thought I would adress some things.

-WAR is not a Wow clone. Anyone saying this A) has not played the game or B) is looking at old footage. The game as the devs stated, is build ground up around PVP and they are not lying. It isn't World of Warcraft with some PVP tacked on. There are some very basic similarities, but they quickly evaporate.

-No the graphics, nor the style is the same as World of Warcraft. Does the Beta look bad? As the devs stated, YES it does, mainly because the very basics of the graphic engine are in place because they want to test out the gameplay. Graphics can be worked on independantly from the Beta, then added over place holders. You can't continue to code then re-code broken scripts. This is how betas work.

Comparisons (In terms of art style)

Human

Wow
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/5321/priestt4incarnateilvl10xq5.jpg

War
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/091/520538_20070330_screen017.jpg


Orcs

Wow
http://wow.tentonhammer.com/files/gallery/albums/album27/orc_001.gif

WAR
http://www.gamepro.com/computer/pc/games/news/images/58229-2.jpg

Dwarfs

Wow
http://www.playerbuzz.com/Images/Media/Player-Buzz/MediaS1568.jpg

WAR
http://www.criticalgamers.com/archives/pictures/WarhammerOnlineDwarf.2.8.07.jpg

I can't really talk about anything else or it shatters the NDA. WAR isn't going to be a Wow killer. It isn't a game the mass market and every little casual player will enjoy. It is going to offer people who enjoy PVP a game to play that is competitive, fun, and something other then High end raiding guilds, little kids, and content that is only used by a specific group of players.

I still find it funny that people are still saying it is copying World Of Warraft even though that Blizzard were the ones ripping off Warhammer's intellectual property 1st.

As far as I can see Games Workshop would not be liscensing this product unless it fitted into the Warhammer fantasy universe perfectly.

As I am not in the beta I cannot judge on gameplay etc but considering that we have had MMO's for over 10 years of course the successful elements from older games will be incorportaed into newer games.

Of course we'll still have bashers who want all games to fail except the ones they play........

Originally posted by adrianemery

I still find it funny that people are still saying it is copying World Of Warraft even though that Blizzard were the ones ripping off Warhammer's intellectual property 1st.

As far as I can see Games Workshop would not be liscensing this product unless it fitted into the Warhammer fantasy universe perfectly.

As I am not in the beta I cannot judge on gameplay etc but considering that we have had MMO's for over 10 years of course the successful elements from older games will be incorportaed into newer games.

Of course we'll still have bashers who want all games to fail except the ones they play........

I agre. But I don't even mean on a "Wow ripped off Warhammer" level. Just listen to what the Devs say. It doesn't sound like Wow. Obviously I am not going to break the NDA and tell people whats in the game. But the devs won't lie to you, if you know what I am saying.

Originally posted by Titanwot

Originally posted by adrianemery

I still find it funny that people are still saying it is copying World Of Warraft even though that Blizzard were the ones ripping off Warhammer's intellectual property 1st.

As far as I can see Games Workshop would not be liscensing this product unless it fitted into the Warhammer fantasy universe perfectly.

As I am not in the beta I cannot judge on gameplay etc but considering that we have had MMO's for over 10 years of course the successful elements from older games will be incorportaed into newer games.

Of course we'll still have bashers who want all games to fail except the ones they play........

I agre. But I don't even mean on a "Wow ripped off Warhammer" level. Just listen to what the Devs say. It doesn't sound like Wow. Obviously I am not going to break the NDA and tell people whats in the game. But the devs won't lie to you, if you know what I am saying.

 

Haha, you're new to MMO gaming aren't you, seriously now, be honest.

and we will have the fanbois defending WAR's even if it's not released yet. Go figure.

How am I a fan boy? I never said WAR is the best game ever, and it's going to totally own everything.

I said it isn't the same as Wow, because well, it isn't.

Anyway, I don't want to turn this into a flame war. Just wanted everyone to know, no it isn't a wow clone.

http://www.tentonhammer.com/war/

Tons of new information for you guys to check out if you're interested.

EVERYONE say it's a WoW clone in the beginning. That was my very first thoughts aswell. That alone led me not to want to do any research. However now it's all different. I think it's funny that if it's such a WoW clone then how come I really dislike WoW but just can't wait to play WAR? :)

Originally posted by DuraheLL

EVERYONE say it's a WoW clone in the beginning. That was my very first thoughts aswell. That alone led me not to want to do any research. However now it's all different. I think it's funny that if it's such a WoW clone then how come I really dislike WoW but just can't wait to play WAR? :)

This would stand to reason. Because you haven't played it yet ^^

Anticipation is often 100% of the fun with MMO's, unfortunately.

Originally posted by adrianemery

I still find it funny that people are still saying it is copying World Of Warraft even though that Blizzard were the ones ripping off Warhammer's intellectual property 1st.

As far as I can see Games Workshop would not be liscensing this product unless it fitted into the Warhammer fantasy universe perfectly.

The who copied who argument is probably the worst defense you can possibly put out there.   The only people who even know the back story behind the development of WoW and WAR are MMO dorks like us who hang out on forums. 

The fact of the matter is it doesn't matter even if you are right.  Let's say they did copy for the sake of debate.   So what?   Everyone knows WoW has been out for 3 years or more, and by the time WAR sees the light of day it may change that spread to 4 years.   That would mean that in those 3-4 years, they were making a game that they knew was mimic another game that has already been on the market for years and did little to change that.  The average guy who walks into the store won't know the story behind the development, he will but WAR, take it home, and think he bought a WoW clone.   Cloning is nothing new in the video game industry, Diablo and Starcraft have both been cloned in their respective genres.

The liscencing is not given after the game is made, it is given before.   They give it on faith that the game will turn out to fit their vision and lore.   There are some things in this game about the mechanics of some of the classes that were not present in the tabletop game that ARE present in WoW.  Anyone else find it odd that the rogue classes in both of these games use a 5 point combo system?   I don't remember that in the tabletop.

While the OP may be in the beta and I respect his opinion, there are a lot of other confirmed beta testers that I know who say the opposite.   Those screenshots are not honestly winning any arguments to prove your point.  Graphically at this point the resemblance is undeniable.   The PvP footage looks remarkable more like WoW than the do DAOC.   I truly hope that they do enough to distinguish this game from its long-established rival, because honestly another botched MMO only hurts all of us.