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I guess it depends on which sort of School we're talking about: MMO's and their ancestors, computer games, or video games in general.

The first MMO I played was EQ1 not long after the Velious expansion came out, so I was hardly part of the original MMO crowd. But if you're talking its ancestors: MU*s (MUDs, MUSHes, and the like), then I started with those in 1994, playing Midnight Sun MUD and then AmberMUSH. In fact, I was late to the MMO table *because* I was still playing a MUSH (Elendor) when they started to become popular.

For computer games: I remember Oregon Trail when it came out on the Apple II+, and before that, playing some horrible games on C-64, Vic-20, and before that on a P.E.T. at school.

Video games... heh. I played the TV tennis/hockey/whatever game on my next-door neighbor's TV, complete with paddles and switches that changed the game from "tennis" to "hockey". I played Space Invaders, and a bit later Asteriods, Sea Wolf, Warzone, Galaxian, etc. I just happened to be born at the right time to start at the beginning when I was myself just starting.

So, yeah, I consider myself as old-school as you can get. I consider myself part of a certain crowd of people, not as somehow individually special because I happened to be born at the right time. I've watched things evolve from the beginning, right at the dawn of the personal computer.

No, I don't think that people nowadays, who are relatively new to gaming, can really relate to what things were like back then. It was a different era, and eventually the same will be said about the way things are now, too. That's how life is. I don't think of it as exculsionary, but rather just part of life, and not something to get upset about.

Originally posted by nethervoid

Seriously.  Gamers who've played since WoW but think they know everything there is to know about the industry.  Act like they've played all the games that have ever came out because they logged in once 8 years after the game went gold.

You weren't there when it came out; therefore, please STFU about game mechanics you've never experienced.

Housing is NOT a hardcore only activity.

Raiding is NOT a hardcore only activity.

Crafting as a profession is NOT a hardcore activity.

Developers are making multiplayer versions of single player games and calling them MMOs because that's what the new gamers want; NOT because it's what is casual friendly.

If you weren't there to play within at least the first six months of a game, just STFU, sit back, and let the old schoolers discuss old school sh**.  Don't talk like you've played it when it was prime.  Cause we all know you didn't.

 

See thats why i liked to play lineage 2 from the start , open pvp is win in theese situation when you have some smartass , then find him in the game and shut him up ;)

but yea players like that give me a headache, pathological liars , sigh. i started my self back in the early days of gaming so i feel you on that subject.

Specially when it came to SWG and CU / NGE and people arrived to the game and they think their "all that" i mean come on you dont know shit kiddo you werent here.

Originally posted by Tuor7

I guess it depends on which sort of School we're talking about: MMO's and their ancestors, computer games, or video games in general.

The first MMO I played was EQ1 not long after the Velious expansion came out, so I was hardly part of the original MMO crowd. But if you're talking its ancestors: MU*s (MUDs, MUSHes, and the like), then I started with those in 1994, playing Midnight Sun MUD and then AmberMUSH. In fact, I was late to the MMO table *because* I was still playing a MUSH (Elendor) when they started to become popular.

For computer games: I remember Oregon Trail when it came out on the Apple II+, and before that, playing some horrible games on C-64, Vic-20, and before that on a P.E.T. at school.

Video games... heh. I played the TV tennis/hockey/whatever game on my next-door neighbor's TV, complete with paddles and switches that changed the game from "tennis" to "hockey". I played Space Invaders, and a bit later Asteriods, Sea Wolf, Warzone, Galaxian, etc. I just happened to be born at the right time to start at the beginning when I was myself just starting.

So, yeah, I consider myself as old-school as you can get. I consider myself part of a certain crowd of people, not as somehow individually special because I happened to be born at the right time. I've watched things evolve from the beginning, right at the dawn of the personal computer.

No, I don't think that people nowadays, who are relatively new to gaming, can really relate to what things were like back then. It was a different era, and eventually the same will be said about the way things are now, too. That's how life is. I don't think of it as exculsionary, but rather just part of life, and not something to get upset about.

Well lets put it in another view, remember when WoW launched , it had a bunch of fps gamers roll over and start playing MMO games as their primary , thoose are some of the people that think they are the bomb diggity and know everything about MMO's , see thoose FPS gamers can go back to the hole they came from that they crawled out of in 05 ;)

I like FPS games well enough, but I don't see where someone who excells in them somehow knows jack about MMOs. I agree that they're just talking out of their hind portions. Many people want to sound the "been there and done that" horn even when they're mostly clueless. I suppose the guys you're talking about are like that.

Originally posted by Tuor7

I like FPS games well enough, but I don't see where someone who excells in them somehow knows jack about MMOs. I agree that they're just talking out of their hind portions. Many people want to sound the "been there and done that" horn even when they're mostly clueless. I suppose the guys you're talking about are like that.

Yea thats some of them , and some of them played in the Nihilum EU wow guild , i know a couple of them were "pro" cs gamers before this and all they had in mind 24/7 was CS practice and now they think their the master of all trades in MMO's , right okay.

That kinda arrogance i despise, but again thats what you can expect from such people.

I'm as old school as they get, we used to play games on wooden computers back in the day (before fire).

While I've been playing single player based RPG's since the early 80s, I'm a relative newcomer to MMO's, with Lineage 1/DAOC being my first games (but I caught up quick with like 10 more since).

Yet, I can't claim to be elite, I'm the eternal noob, usually only understanding about 3/4 of what a game involves.  I never learn it all, just don't have the time or desire to study them that hard.

Arrogance really suits no one in the gaming world, but its far to easy to get away with it unfortunately.

Originally posted by Kyleran

I'm as old school as they get, we used to play games on wooden computers back in the day (before fire).

While I've been playing single player based RPG's since the early 80s, I'm a relative newcomer to MMO's, with Lineage 1/DAOC being my first games (but I caught up quick with like 10 more since).

Yet, I can't claim to be elite, I'm the eternal noob, usually only understanding about 3/4 of what a game involves.  I never learn it all, just don't have the time or desire to study them that hard.

Arrogance really suits no one in the gaming world, but its far to easy to get away with it unfortunately.

 

I have a perma red 70+ spellhowler who is more than happy to shut up thoose arrogant people i meet ingame ;)

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Originally posted by kwai

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Originally posted by Tuor7

I like FPS games well enough, but I don't see where someone who excells in them somehow knows jack about MMOs. I agree that they're just talking out of their hind portions. Many people want to sound the "been there and done that" horn even when they're mostly clueless. I suppose the guys you're talking about are like that.

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Yea thats some of them , and some of them played in the Nihilum EU wow guild , i know a couple of them were "pro" cs gamers before this and all they had in mind 24/7 was CS practice and now they think their the master of all trades in MMO's , right okay.
That kinda arrogance i despise, but again thats what you can expect from such people.

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I think I'd rather deal with the idiots that think they know everything, then the moron that screams "I need gold, give me gold, gold! gold!" At least the ignorant jackoff you can tell to shut up and they at some point will do it. But the moron screaming gold seems to have no effect to insults or shutting the hell up.

Originally posted by fyerwall

 

Originally posted by Coralis

Anyone remember Starflight for PC?    

I remember that game it was a blast to play,  played the heck out of the original wizardry as well  (played on a Tandy 1000 ex )

I still have the floppies for both Starflight 1 and Starflight 2, complete with code wheels.

 

Starflight was awesome, 2, eh... it was ok...

Hrm... wonder if they have an emulated version somehwere...

Last I checked, you could download SF1 and 2 from the SF3 website at:

http://www.starflightcentral.com/

EDIT: Yes, you can still download them from there.