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Hello and good day, im hear to day to spread a message. on may 3rd of this year we will be marching for the legalization of marijana on a national scale, here in seatle at volunteer park starting at 12:00 i encourage any one that supports this to be there. we need the world to know who we are and how many of us are out there. come and let your voice be heard. 



ya i know you all my not live around here but please help sread the word, look to see if they are marching in your city it will be in over 200 cities world wide. if you arnt listed start one up. thats what i did.

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you know i have nothing against the substance itself, people can piss away their lives any way they want.

Its the violence around drugs, that I disagree with.

The fact that people in south american die over fields like that, people die smuggling ti across borders.

And you know what none of that supports its legalization, because the minute we do it becomes just as big of a problem.

How do you do a chemical sobriety test  for marajuana as far as driving goes?????

alcholol you can test for how drunk someone is chemically, you can visible tell an overly intoxicated person.

If in the future  weed could be regulated, a reliable chemical sobriety test made, and we dont get it from what can at best be described as warring third world countries then i would support its legality.

just as a point in question how are a bunch of stoners all gonna find the same park?????????

I have no doubt they can all find a park, but the stoners i know their sense of direction can at best be described as childish.

Originally posted by Vampir

you know i have nothing against the substance itself, people can piss away their lives any way they want.

Its the violence around drugs, that I disagree with.

The fact that people in south american die over fields like that, people die smuggling ti across borders.

And you know what none of that supports its legalization, because the minute we do it becomes just as big of a problem.

How do you do a chemical sobriety test  for marajuana as far as driving goes?????

alcholol you can test for how drunk someone is chemically, you can visible tell an overly intoxicated person.

If in the future  weed could be regulated, a reliable chemical sobriety test made, and we dont get it from what can at best be described as warring third world countries then i would support its legality.

just as a point in question how are a bunch of stoners all gonna find the same park?????????

I have no doubt they can all find a park, but the stoners i know their sense of direction can at best be described as childish.

 

Here are a few points for you to ponder.
If marijuana was legalized it could be monitored and taxed. Marijuana isnt like tobacco, it grows like a weed (cough)... infact the legal marijuana grown in Canada is grown in an old mining operation.

If we was government regulated, they could make sure nothing is laced in it and it would be less dangerous to stupid people.

Stoned people are much less dangerous than drunk people. Drunk people can get angry, violent, and gross. Stoned people get introspective, quiet and relaxed. In terms of problems arousing from marijuana use, it is childs play compaired to the problems with alcohol.. how many stoned get stoned then beat their wife/kids... not many...

As for driving, we already deal with it when it comes to alcohol... testing if somebody is stoned behind the wheel isnt going to be very hard. Im sure a quick chemical test wouldnt be long to follow the legalization.

Your "Farcry" esq African pot fields would go out of business.

On to health. Compairativly, Pot is MUCH less dangerous/unhealthy than alcohol or even tobacco... heck you could probably argue a solid case that caffeine is more dangerous. Its the classical mental stigma that sociesty would have to overcome. Alcohol is more a drug than pot is by most peoples definition yet even after having this explained to them, most peoples opinion still wont be swayed...

Originally posted by Munki

 

Originally posted by Vampir

you know i have nothing against the substance itself, people can piss away their lives any way they want.

Its the violence around drugs, that I disagree with.

The fact that people in south american die over fields like that, people die smuggling ti across borders.

And you know what none of that supports its legalization, because the minute we do it becomes just as big of a problem.

How do you do a chemical sobriety test  for marajuana as far as driving goes?????

alcholol you can test for how drunk someone is chemically, you can visible tell an overly intoxicated person.

If in the future  weed could be regulated, a reliable chemical sobriety test made, and we dont get it from what can at best be described as warring third world countries then i would support its legality.

just as a point in question how are a bunch of stoners all gonna find the same park?????????

I have no doubt they can all find a park, but the stoners i know their sense of direction can at best be described as childish.

 

Here is an excellent example of an "argument", that substitues "arguments" with insults.

 

Here are a few points for you to ponder.
If marijuana was legalized it could be monitored and taxed. Marijuana isnt like tobacco, it grows like a weed (cough)... infact the legal marijuana grown in Canada is grown in an old mining operation.

If we was government regulated, they could make sure nothing is laced in it and it would be less dangerous to stupid people.

Stoned people are much less dangerous than drunk people. Drunk people can get angry, violent, and gross. Stoned people get introspective, quiet and relaxed. In terms of problems arousing from marijuana use, it is childs play compaired to the problems with alcohol.. how many stoned get stoned then beat their wife/kids... not many...

As for driving, we already deal with it when it comes to alcohol... testing if somebody is stoned behind the wheel isnt going to be very hard. Im sure a quick chemical test wouldnt be long to follow the legalization.

Your "Farcry" esq African pot fields would go out of business.

On to health. Compairativly, Pot is MUCH less dangerous/unhealthy than alcohol or even tobacco... heck you could probably argue a solid case that caffeine is more dangerous. Its the classical mental stigma that sociesty would have to overcome. Alcohol is more a drug than pot is by most peoples definition yet even after having this explained to them, most peoples opinion still wont be swayed...

You raise some good points, I have a few friends who are "stoners" I have had a few spliffs/joints in my time but never anything more then that so im not bias, also you forgot to mention that after you smoke pot you dont get a hang over. This march however may not work, alough it might be worth a try. Even if it does it wont effect me in any way as I live in England and because I dont smoke marijuana anymore, and have no plans to.

Originally posted by Vampir

you know i have nothing against the substance itself, people can piss away their lives any way they want.

Unfortunately, this isn't the case. Furthermore, the 'pissing away' which you refer to is caused largely by the stigma that surrounds marijuana users. Turn up positive on a random test = lose your job. Get pulled over by an officer and he finds an ounce in your car = you are now a felon. FELON = no government service, no voting, no legal firearms. Americans are very lucky this isn't the case for Ambien, Ritalin, Valium, or Oxycontin (all of which are used to treat symptoms wherein marijuana would also be beneficial yet less dangerous).

Its the violence around drugs, that I disagree with.

You are making the common mistake of including marijuana in the category of illegal substances that promote violent offenses (like alcohol and steroids - both can be obtained legally btw). I am not in favor of the legalization of cocaine, opium based narcotics or any synthetic/designer drugs (even though COMBINED these drugs equalled 10% of the overdoses that resulted from prescription drugs and alcohol in 2007).

Marijuana does not belong in the same category as these drugs (not a single known case of fatal marijuana overdose btw). In all liklihood, the frequency of all drug related viloent offenses would decrease upon the decriminalization of marijuana. You have to assume that if people are crossing the legal line to use marijuana, they have already placed themselves squarely within the 'counter-culture' and at risk of incarceration, where they must mingle in a sordid atmosphere. This is why marijuana is considered a 'gateway drug'.

The fact that people in south american die over fields like that, people die smuggling ti across borders.

You are correct. The problem is that the criminalization is precisely what instigates these issues. However, if you can legally obtain marijuana from a proprietor in the U.S., the cultivation and transfer can be regulated. There would be no further need or benefit for drug cartels to import marijuana. The added benefit would be instead of using tax money to fight an unwinable drug-war, we would instead be reaping the taxes made off of sales.

And you know what none of that supports its legalization, because the minute we do it becomes just as big of a problem.

This is not accurate. The reason that there is little governmental support for legalization is because most politicians have their pockets lined by prescription drug companies, and more importantly, the alcohol industry. They need these lobbyists to fund campaigns, which in-turn ensures that they will vote against decriminalization.

How do you do a chemical sobriety test  for marajuana as far as driving goes?????

alcholol you can test for how drunk someone is chemically, you can visible tell an overly intoxicated person.

Oral swab, urine, hair or blood. These tests are all extremely accurate. The consensus is that they cannot detect the frequency of use bacause marijuana has a half-life, but drug tests are generally used only to find + or - and not to ascertain the level of concentration. Saliva or blood tests can accurately determine peak levels at any given time.

If in the future  weed could be regulated, a reliable chemical sobriety test made, and we dont get it from what can at best be described as warring third world countries then i would support its legality.

You should now have all the information you need to safely go and march with the rest of the sane people. Seriously though, if you are really interested in finding more information about the benefits of marijuana, the information is out there. There is plenty of information regarding the inconsistency of the laws surrounding it's possession and sale as well.

Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass) announced that he intends to introduce legislation to legalize small amounts of marijuana when Congress is back in session. The "Make Room for Serious Criminals" bill, he plans to call it. Frank said, "The notion that you lock people up for smoking marijuana is pretty silly". I have to agree.

just as a point in question how are a bunch of stoners all gonna find the same park?????????

Map?

I have no doubt they can all find a park, but the stoners i know their sense of direction can at best be described as childish.

Well, I'm sure they won't be high at the time of the march. That would be illegal. Perhaps the stoners you know act childish because they are childish people. Besides, of all the things I've been described as, childish would be preferred over surly or junkie.

BTW - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKVAQLnm_5Y = ROFL

 

Originally posted by Vampir

you know i have nothing against the substance itself, people can piss away their lives any way they want.

Its the violence around drugs, that I disagree with.

The fact that people in south american die over fields like that, people die smuggling ti across borders.

And you know what none of that supports its legalization, because the minute we do it becomes just as big of a problem.

How do you do a chemical sobriety test  for marajuana as far as driving goes?????

alcholol you can test for how drunk someone is chemically, you can visible tell an overly intoxicated person.

If in the future  weed could be regulated, a reliable chemical sobriety test made, and we dont get it from what can at best be described as warring third world countries then i would support its legality.

just as a point in question how are a bunch of stoners all gonna find the same park?????????

I have no doubt they can all find a park, but the stoners i know their sense of direction can at best be described as childish.

 

How do you feel about buying products made from oil then?

A lot more people die because of that.

And chocolate, the last great bastion of child slavery?

It's a bad, bad world out there.

There are saliva tests and sweat tests for dope, and I agree that this is a major issue for enforcement. However alcohol was legal long before breathalisers came along. (Stoned drivers aren't reknowned for being any more of a traffic menace than your average slowster grandad for that matter).

Due to the influx of Dutch technology, marijuana is no longer grown abroad and smuggled in, it is more commonly grown domestically in greenhouses. (Though still by criminals).

Although I have no issue with the legalisation of Cannabis, I would never go on a march and openly associate myself with a criminal activity. Not smart.

It will be legal within the next 20 years anyway (as the pre-sixties generation dies out), and I don't see our prisons full of stoners. Bit of a non issue for me.

I do my best thinking when stoned. problem is ,there are just too many thoughts firing off at once and i cant keep track. and then they disappear like a fart in the wind.

I would legalize the 'drug' soley to piss off the cartels.

I'm for legalizing it. All drugs should be legalized. The Govt should not have any say in what people put in there bodies. How can anyone guarantee that legalizing drugs will decrease violence? Alcohol is legal but a lot of people still feel the need to drive a car while drunk and kill someone. If you want to do drugs do it in the privacy of your own home, do not take it out into the public environment. If your habit starts making itself known in the public and your behavior becomes a threat to the community you think people are going to stick around while it degenerates? Just because drugs are made legal d