General Discussion

Ok, well if anyone is trying to compare drugs to alcohol is wrong...Anyone remember prohibation in the 1920's?  It led to mehem, forcing people to legalize alcohol again.  With alcohol, society could not be the way it is.

As for my statements-

http://www.allpotseeds.com/bad-effects-of-pot.html

As for brain damage-

http://www.medicalmarijuanaprocon.org/bin/procon/procon.cgi?database=5-C-Subs-1.db&command=viewone&op=t&id=26&rnd=867.1812321533353

I don't do pot, I don't do any drugs on that note. All I have to say is that, as stated above, pot is not that deadly. Yes it can kill you believe it or not so can sucking helium or doing anything foreign into your body. Yes it is addictive, so is smoking cigarettes and when you smoke them you normally smoke one or two packs A DAY school told me smoking pot is like smoking 5 cigarettes. People I know that smoke pot will smoke 1 maybe 2 joints a day thats ten cigarettes, 2 packs of cigarettes are more than that. I'm all for legalization and, even though I wouldn't do it, I think people with self control should be allowed to.

Alright, let's look at other ways to intake marijuana then besides smoking it.  A vaporizer is the safest way possible.  A heating pad heats the marijuana to the point where it releases the THC in concentrated vapor form which you then inhale.  It is no different than breathing air.  No smoke at all.

Cooking with pot.  Another safe form.  There are alternative methods other than smoking it.  If they made it legal, only if you used certain methods with it, I wonder how many people would be in favor then; assuming the FDA was actually truthful and up front about these methods as opposed to flat out lying about them.  I would gladly go out and buy a vaporizer if it meant I could use marijuana legally.

And you'd have to be an idiot to die from marijuana overdose.  Iam fairly sure it is physically impossible to overdose from it.  Scientists tested this theory on a rodent and in order to kill the rat with marijuana he had to take proportionally some 15,000 times the amount of THC intake that would be considered normal.  Concentrated, all at once.

It would be impossible for any person to do that because of proportional differences - IE 15,000 times the normal amount for a person's body size/weight.  Yeah, not going to happen.  Nobody has ever overdosed on marijuana, and nobody ever will.

As for it being addictive, like people said above.  There is absolutely no physical addiction with marijuana.  None, not at all.  There can be a mental addiction just like there can be with caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, or any other daily vices that people use.  Hell, some people just need their starbucks and they're just as addicted to that.  The mental addiction does not affect everyone, and it just depends on the person.  I was able to stop smoking pot the moment I said "Eh.. not worth it right now" because I needed to find work.

Those people who have a mental addiction would be -just as likely- to try and become addicted to something worse like cocaine or meth.  Not -more- likely, simply because they smoked pot.  Pot doesn't cause other addictions.

Originally posted by IsUberLeet

 Yes it can kill you believe it or not so can sucking helium or doing anything foreign into your body. Yes it is addictive, so is smoking cigarettes and when you smoke them you normally smoke one or two packs A DAY school told me smoking pot is like smoking 5 cigarettes. People I know that smoke pot will smoke 1 maybe 2 joints a day thats ten cigarettes, 2 packs of cigarettes are more than that. I'm all for legalization and, even though I wouldn't do it, I think people with self control should be allowed to.

Psycologically not physically, but then again so is gaming and chocolate.  A friend of mine smoked a blunt a day for a month and decided to quit for lent. Guess what? he quit with no problem at all

Who runs schools? Mainly the government with the exception of private schools, its just another place to fill the minds of the youths with propoganda, i dont endorse using marijuana but i dont endorse lying either.  The reason it is equal to 5 cigaretts is because the most common form of smoking involves no filter where as a cigarette includes one, but dont worry you may effortlessly buy filters almost anywhere.

Originally posted by mike470

Ok, well if anyone is trying to compare drugs to alcohol is wrong...Anyone remember prohibation in the 1920's?  It led to mehem, forcing people to legalize alcohol again.  With alcohol, society could not be the way it is.

As for my statements-

http://www.allpotseeds.com/bad-effects-of-pot.html

 

As for brain damage-

http://www.medicalmarijuanaprocon.org/bin/procon/procon.cgi?database=5-C-Subs-1.db&command=viewone&op=t&id=26&rnd=867.1812321533353

neither of the web sites information is sited. almost all of the web sites that are not against cannabis and for it are sited. its not worth trying to prove cannabis bad anymore because you just get proved wrong as soon as you try to spread the word that its bad

Originally posted by grimweeper

 

I would also like to add that the only studies that have ever shown cannabis to be bad are government studies, but then again those results are obviously biased. 

While I agree with the gist of your post, I have to point out that this particular statement isn't completely accurate. Many government studies have supported the notion that marijuana is not harmful. In fact, most have recommended the legalization of small amounts of marijuana for personal use. The disconnect comes from the politicians who blindly ignore the findings of these studies in an effort to maintain the tax dollars devoted to the continuation of the 'drug-war'.

www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/studies.htm

Partucularly fascinating (to me anyway) is the DEA Chief Administrative Law Judge ruling on medical marijuana from 1988.

I don't plan on winning this arguement, but I will say this.

Anything done underage is bound to cause problems.  Look at drinking, kids who start underaged, around the age of 15, have much more of a chance of becoming alcoholics.  This is why I am waiting until at least college.  Now with your statements of propaganda, what's wrong with that?  It's not like the weed is good for you.  I would rather have propaganda in kids heads instead of saying "oh, nothing is wrong, do it as much as you wnat".  Well if that happens, (especially underaged), we probably will see more drug addicts on the street.  They start to steal money for drugs possibly, or they get into worse drugs from their drug dealer, or some other druggies they meat.  I already see kids underaged screwing up their lives with all different kinds of drugs and alcohol.  The propaganda is the only thing keeping more kids away from drugs, and if it does that, then that is good. 

And you could say "oh well look at me, I came out fine!"  Well, unfortuanately, some don't. 

Originally posted by mike470

I don't plan on winning this arguement, but I will say this.

The most honourable position to take in an argument in my opinion :) Nice one! (no sarcasm btw)

Anything done underage is bound to cause problems.  Look at drinking, kids who start underaged, around the age of 15, have much more of a chance of becoming alcoholics.  This is why I am waiting until at least college.  Now with your statements of propaganda, what's wrong with that?  It's not like the weed is good for you.  I would rather have propaganda in kids heads instead of saying "oh, nothing is wrong, do it as much as you wnat".  Well if that happens, (especially underaged), we probably will see more drug addicts on the street.  They start to steal money for drugs possibly, or they get into worse drugs from their drug dealer, or some other druggies they meat.  I already see kids underaged screwing up their lives with all different kinds of drugs and alcohol.  The propaganda is the only thing keeping more kids away from drugs, and if it does that, then that is good. 

And you could say "oh well look at me, I came out fine!"  Well, unfortuanately, some don't. 

I think the causational argument you're using about underage consumption is illogical. From my own personal experience, the people who start drinking much younger are the people exposed to alcoholic parents, or people with serious issues in their private lives. Confronted with the same issues, and using the same coping method (alcohol, in this example), any adult is just as likely and a child to fall foul of the dependant line.

Lying to kids to 'keep them safe' is a VERY thin sheet of ice to creep across. Given the natural teenage tendancy observable almost universally, to question authority and 'explore' their independance, I know full well that once the world 'opened up' to me and I started to do my own research and question the fallacies I was taught, that was the perfect reason to go and try out what I wasn't supposed to. I'm currently happy saying that I haven't tried cannibis myself, at the ripe old age of 18, BUT I want to. For two reasons; firstly, my current view of the world is that it's something to be experienced. Denying myself what is always reported as a pleasant experience based on danger to an otherwise arguably purposeless existance is questionable, but denying it purely based on fallacies I've since learnt aren't factual is stupid. And thus my second reason; sheer contempt for the false education I received in school on the subject (that and many other subjects. Was anyone else told that the sun was a stationary object? Why do that?! It's no more difficult for us to contemplate "moon revolves around planet, revolves around sun, revolves around galaxy" than it is "moon revolves around planet, revolves around sun" at 11 years old, and yet I received my first ever detention for asking to cite a website that my teacher could 'correct [their] knowledge' on ;) LONG brackets.).

I also think that, considering the uptake of drugs currently, based on an (flawed) education system(talking about the UK here) that is SEVERLY biased against drugs, people will do it whether they're told it's instantly lethal or not. Look at cigarettes. The information about them taught in schools is FACTUAL and yet 1/3 of the country smoke. If uptake of cocaine were that high we'd have another prohibition issue on our hands ;)