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jiveturkey12  4/11/08 2:14:04 AM

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It seems to me a game based on the Conan world would seem more fitted to have no Stealth, then to have stealth, especially since everyone can use it.

 

Idk its just something about going onto a battlefield with a bunch of battle hardened warriors, and all of a sudden they all go stealth.

 

Anyone know what I mean or am I alone with thinking Stealth is odd for a game like this.

 

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Xasapis  4/11/08 2:24:03 AM

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You and your guild is defending your keep. It's 30 or so minutes before the expected attack commences so everyone is nervous. You look outside but you see noone except some non guilded people running around, curious themselves about the upcoming siege.

How can this be? Where is the arch-enemy guild that threatened with a full out attack earlier this week?

  • You know they are out there somewhere, but you don't know exactly where.
  • You know they are gathering forces, but you don't know how many and which other guilds are helping them.
  • You don't know from which side they will concentrate their attack.

You order your rangers to run out and scout the whole territory for hostiles. The one that went south reported being attacked and killed by assassins. He couldn't tell however if they were part of a bigger force or just lurkers. You decide to send a team with a couple soldiers and a healer to investigate further.

It's almost time ...

Will you manage to hold the keep this week?

 
eugam  4/11/08 2:30:20 AM

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Something must have happened to the gene pool lately...

The game has no stealth as in invissible. It has a  skillable ability to move  unrecognized, but never at a 100% chance. If a full plate tank runs over rocky ground there will be a *KLONK*KLONK*KLONK* and the mobs will hear him. I bet Conan sneaked a lot.

 

It is basically impossible to be invissible on a battlefield. Your crowd is in sunlight and the enemies have you within their cone of view. They might miss the ranger or assassin in the shadow of a tree, but they will see the most part of your force.

 
gestalt11  4/11/08 3:02:16 AM

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While I do not think stealth is needed or even wise to put into modern MMORPGs,  it most certainly fits into the Conan background fiction.

 

Conan was a part time theif who ALSO kicked people's asses.

 
Fion  4/11/08 3:08:53 AM

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Note that everyone has stealth.

 

But everyone also has Perception.

 

It works the same as AO. You have a Stealth and Perception skill. If your Perception skill is higher then your opponents Stealth skill, you see them. Simple as that.

Considering apparently only the rogue classes can attack 'from stealth', it shouldn't be a problem. I believe everyone else has to exit stealth before they can attack.

 
Xasapis  4/11/08 3:26:25 AM

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Is AO stealth vs perception related to proximity between the people involved? I don't remember this bit.

Rogue classes will have some openers from stealth, but the normal combat will be done with everyone visible. It would be too unbalanced to do it in any other way. Apart from that, rogue classes will have some more interesting benefits from stealth as opposed to the rest.

 
eugam  4/11/08 7:51:20 AM

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Something must have happened to the gene pool lately...

Originally posted by Xasapis

Is AO stealth vs perception related to proximity between the people involved? I don't remember this bit.


 It will be probably similar to PvE where you have to avoid the cone of view. Light and sound plays a role, but the highest priority is on the cone of view.

 
Euthorus  4/11/08 8:42:50 AM

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Weiter, weiter ins Verderben
Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben !

Having played DAOC for 3 years I'd say being able to stealth in PvP is money. Even the crappiest stealth - when you are fighting its hard enough to keep focused on every spell/arrow/dude wearing a big helmet screaming I AM THE JUGGERNAUT B**** !!! that a player blended into background gets a real advantage of not getting insta-ganked and perhaps getting that first crit off on an unsuspecting target.

On another hand imagine being a healer in the middle of a keep defense - you are the prime target. Being able to fade into background even half-assedly (real word ?) will give you a chance to regen.

The specialized assassin classes are more effective at it but they are also paper thin, suck butt, miss, dont do enough dmg if the crits dont stack and did I mention they suck butt ?

 

Cliff Notes: PvP + Stealth for all = SEX

FUNCOM - putting the FUN in disFUNctional !

eugam  4/11/08 9:08:07 AM

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Something must have happened to the gene pool lately...

Originally posted by Euthorus

On another hand imagine being a healer in the middle of a keep defense - you are the prime target.

I had a dream. I saw the active blocking mechanism of AoCa nd then i saw this:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_infantry_tactics
 

 
demented669  4/11/08 9:16:29 AM

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i just can't wait to see how good this new Ai will be able to use stealth to hunt me down when i am resting after a big fight in a dungeon ... can't wait for this game !!!

only thing people talk about is pvp this and that i mean come on we have to lvl to 20 solo i will love the pvp part of this game like all of you but i can't wait to see pve stuff

 
Xasapis  4/11/08 12:10:09 PM