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I'm not new to the MMO scene.  I'd just like to know why eveyone dislikes SOE so much. 

What did they mess up in the past to give them such a bad name?

Just a quick summary would be much appreciated.

I was not around for eq complaints which i have heard, but SOE is a company that lies to their player base, In SWG they made a game which the majority of players loved then took the entire game and changed nearly everything about it without even letting the player base know what they were doing, they lied about new content coming in and deleted the combat system behind their players backs. SOE has lied many times directly to their player base. For example they released an expansion to SWG it was called Trials of Obiwan and they said there would be tons of new content and creatures to tame. Then a couple of days later they deleted the creature handling profession along with tons of others. Many players refuse to play their games because of how poor they treat their players.

omg...another one of these posts...if you do a forum search there are already several threads about the same topic. This is just going to turn into another flame fest like all the others.

• Originally posted by Makaveli04

omg...another one of these posts...if you do a forum search there are already several threads about the same topic. This is just going to turn into another flame fest like all the others.

I just wanted a sum up of why this company is hated so much.  The other threads kind of drop things about it, but don't really explain where the hate if coming from directly.

Obviously this company was hate pre-PoTBS and I'm tryin to find out why.

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Originally posted by WhiteknightI

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• Originally posted by Makaveli04

omg...another one of these posts...if you do a forum search there are already several threads about the same topic. This is just going to turn into another flame fest like all the others.

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I just wanted a sum up of why this company is hated so much. The other threads kind of drop things about it, but don't really explain where the hate if coming from directly.

Obviously this company was hate pre-PoTBS and I'm tryin to find out why.

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It's probably the longest story ever written. Seriously. Like, 1000-page epic. It goes back around 10 years I think and has been a non-stop roller coaster ride since then. Suffice it to say, they've done plenty to step on and piss off everyone who has ever dared to give them money over the course of recent history, save those few poor souls who still play their MMOs.

I dont love or hate SOE but i give you an answer.

First SOE made EQ and it was fabulous, my favorite game of all time. Some years into the game, im not sure how far actually, they decided to make some changes to the game that made things a bit more convienent, i.e. instant travel and centralized trade area. It seemed that they were making these changes to compete with the newer games coming out that were a little less time consuming. Many of the players didnt like these changes so they left. I ended up leaving the game after 4+ years but not because of the changes, i just figured 4+ years was enough.

Im not sure which came first so i will just go with EQ2. They launched EQ2 and it was a total mess. I preordered the game and didnt like it at all, i was back in EQ less then a month or two after getting it. They have since fixed that game and it is very popular though the sub base is not huge like WoW.

They also made SWG, and this is where the real problems start. They had a buggy but loved game for about 250K people. WoW came out and they saw how many people were playing that game and decided that simple meant tons of people. So they completely redid the game and basically hosed the 250K people that loved it before. Not cool of them. Though i think Lucas Arts played a very large part in this.

People have also had problems with their customer service department but i never did. I was also in a rather large guild and i cant recall anyone in the guild having any big problems. So i cannot confirm if it was bad or not, it was actually good for me. I was helped right away the few times i had a problem.

Mainly they are hated because they chose to change the games that they made without getting consent from the playerbase first. Which of course they did not need to do. But it would have been nice.

If SOE comes out with a game that looks interesting i will give it a shot. Right now they are working on The Agency and that doesnt interest me. If they said they were coming out with EQ3 that might peak my interest though. Or if they just redid and rereleased EQ.

Originally posted by WhiteknightI

• Originally posted by Makaveli04

omg...another one of these posts...if you do a forum search there are already several threads about the same topic. This is just going to turn into another flame fest like all the others.

I just wanted a sum up of why this company is hated so much.  The other threads kind of drop things about it, but don't really explain where the hate if coming from directly.

 

Obviously this company was hate pre-PoTBS and I'm tryin to find out why.

 Here is the short version.

  SOE historically and ritually admits to not caring one iota about its players.  They do really bad things, and make really poor choices.  To top that off, when called out on said bad things and choices...they tend to enjoy telling everyone that they are either stupid, or unneeded.  Either one is pretty awful a thing to say to ones support beam.

  Oh, and they also like to buy failing IP's and then ignore them completely...forcing them to survive on skeleton crews who do little more than add a tweak here and there whilst drawing in profit over the fact they have no one to pay for its upkeep.

Originally posted by Gishgeron

 

Originally posted by WhiteknightI

• Originally posted by Makaveli04

omg...another one of these posts...if you do a forum search there are already several threads about the same topic. This is just going to turn into another flame fest like all the others.

I just wanted a sum up of why this company is hated so much.  The other threads kind of drop things about it, but don't really explain where the hate if coming from directly.

 

Obviously this company was hate pre-PoTBS and I'm tryin to find out why.

 

 Here is the short version.

  SOE historically and ritually admits to not caring one iota about its players.  They do really bad things, and make really poor choices.  To top that off, when called out on said bad things and choices...they tend to enjoy telling everyone that they are either stupid, or unneeded.  Either one is pretty awful a thing to say to ones support beam.

  Oh, and they also like to buy failing IP's and then ignore them completely...forcing them to survive on skeleton crews who do little more than add a tweak here and there whilst drawing in profit over the fact they have no one to pay for its upkeep.

That statement is true i guess, but only if you are one of those people who thinks the world would be better off if The Matrix Online and Vanguard would have just died vise going on the Station Access. Why should it matter that people are actually still playing those games and like them, reguardless of how much updating they get. Better to say screw them and just shut the games down. 
I guess the question comes down to, Is it better to force a game to survive on a skeleton crew or just shut down. My view is if people want to play it then it is worth keeping alive.

As someone who treats SOE as just a service provider and takes or leaves their service here is my version of "events".   Probably similar to the other ones but maybe with more flair and possibly shorter..

lol okay flaterring myself over now..

A long time ago in a galaxy far far away a group of developers from lucas arts and Soe made a decision to revamp a system actualy abut 6 months after release but it took them  2 years to actualy do the revamp and then they released it.   Peole got mad at them because they didn't like "change" and left.  Most people to be honest have forgotten about it or taken it in perspective and gone on with their lives.  Others however with more vindictive personalities and unable to let go of the past and who have not learned the art of "forgivness" have decided to continue on a 3 year long vendetta towards this faceless corporation in an effort to try to "hurt them back".   I would honestly ignore it.  All the qualities they exhibit are not positive or good human traits and that should go a long way to helping you realize that this hatred is at this point well baseless.  The past is the past WAAAY past and they have chosen to not move on.   

I think part of the issue is also the fact that the cause of