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Kyleran  5/25/08 10:13:50 PM

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Originally posted by Mordria

 

Originally posted by vajuras

 

Originally posted by Mordria

 

Originally posted by Ascension08

Usually Mordria you make sense but this time you lost me.

 

 If you look at the pictures..  there's a window that says "No additional Instances available"

It only happens when the zone gets over a certain number of players.

I'm just trying to put the "OMG THERE"S INSTANCES"  at ease lol

Come to think of it ... and correct me if I'm wrong, the 2 games that did not have instances, Vanguard and Horizons, didn't turn out so hot...

It's a great idea, but not very practical.

 

EVE Online is seamless there are no instances + full collision server side. Seamless worlds are praitical and can work when the game dev knows what they are doing.

I do like EvE Online but, EvE is not seamless. It has over 5,000 different solar systems that you zone into through the jump gates.

 

EvE was the first game that I beta tested and my first mmo. It got me hooked on mmo's  =)

As is so often the case, you are confusing instances with zones. 

EVE has over 5000 thousand different zones, but for each zone there is only one instance of it. (much to the dismay perhaps of anyone who's ever lagged out trying to get into Jita)

AOC can have more than one instance of the same zone (very true of the starter cities of course, not so bad out in the open world Im sure)

And AOC is brutal with its zoning, sometimes requiring a player to zone to get into a tavern, or within a certain dungeon (which are zones) you can easily hit multiple zone doors (which are great for avoiding ganking btw)

The instances don't really concern me, the heavy zoning is sort of getting me down.

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Mordria  5/25/08 10:18:51 PM

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Originally posted by solareus
Originally posted by Mordria

 

Originally posted by Ascension08

Usually Mordria you make sense but this time you lost me.

 

 If you look at the pictures..  there's a window that says "No additional Instances available"

It only happens when the zone gets over a certain number of players.

I'm just trying to put the "OMG THERE"S INSTANCES"  at ease lol

Come to think of it ... and correct me if I'm wrong, the 2 games that did not have instances, Vanguard and Horizons, didn't turn out so hot...

It's a great idea, but not very practical.

So another words there isn't enough people playing to make a new instance...

Correct :)

Have you played EQ2?

It does the same thing, and after you leave Tortage, the 1-20 zone, the game is very much like EQ2 in design. There's 3 different 20-30ish zones, 3 30-40ish zones etc.. And they are not linear. You can run around all over the zones.

I don't know why everyone is making such a big deal over this. It's not like it hasn't been done before.

I think they made the 1-20 for a nice presentation of the game and a tutorial but I can see how after doing Tortage several times it will get old. Hopefully they will make new starter areas in the future. People have been discussing it quite a bit on the forums.

 
Mordria  5/25/08 10:20:49 PM

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Originally posted by Kyleran

 

Originally posted by Mordria

 

Originally posted by vajuras

 

Originally posted by Mordria

 

Originally posted by Ascension08

Usually Mordria you make sense but this time you lost me.

 

 If you look at the pictures..  there's a window that says "No additional Instances available"

It only happens when the zone gets over a certain number of players.

I'm just trying to put the "OMG THERE"S INSTANCES"  at ease lol

Come to think of it ... and correct me if I'm wrong, the 2 games that did not have instances, Vanguard and Horizons, didn't turn out so hot...

It's a great idea, but not very practical.

 

EVE Online is seamless there are no instances + full collision server side. Seamless worlds are praitical and can work when the game dev knows what they are doing.

I do like EvE Online but, EvE is not seamless. It has over 5,000 different solar systems that you zone into through the jump gates.

 

EvE was the first game that I beta tested and my first mmo. It got me hooked on mmo's  =)

 

As is so often the case, you are confusing instances with zones. 

EVE has over 5000 thousand different zones, but for each zone there is only one instance of it. (much to the dismay perhaps of anyone who's ever lagged out trying to get into Jita)

AOC can have more than one instance of the same zone (very true of the starter cities of course, not so bad out in the open world Im sure)

And AOC is brutal with its zoning, sometimes requiring a player to zone to get into a tavern, or within a certain dungeon (which are zones) you can easily hit multiple zone doors (which are great for avoiding ganking btw)

The instances don't really concern me, the heavy zoning is sort of getting me down.

I did not say "instance" anywhere in my 4 sentences

 
augustgrace  5/25/08 10:23:08 PM

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An attack based on grammar.  Ah, the idiot's crutch...

 
convict  5/25/08 10:27:05 PM

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I thought I read someones post about choosing a less populated server so they wouldnt have to fight over spawns? I could be wrong.

Also, looks like PB doesnt like those 3 meg png's. Bandwidth exceeded lol.

Mordria  5/25/08 10:27:11 PM

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Originally posted by augustgrace

An attack based on grammar.  Ah, the idiot's crutch...

 I wasn't attacking your grammar.

I was simply stating that I did not say it was instanced.

I know Eve is zoned.

 

 
Kerith  5/25/08 10:29:11 PM

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Originally posted by Mordria

 

 

Correct :)

Have you played EQ2?

It does the same thing, ....

I second that!

And someday, I hope at least -- people will finally get, that instances are a good design tool. I was about to write a whole post about that but I am just too tired (and also too angry about the clueless posts I see here on the forums about instances). Just relax .. AoC is just doing the same thing with instances as EQ2.

 
Mordria  5/25/08 10:30:27 PM

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Originally posted by convict

I thought I read someones post about choosing a less populated server so they wouldnt have to fight over spawns? I could be wrong.

Also, looks like PB doesnt like those 3 meg png's. Bandwidth exceeded lol.

You can if there are so many people in a zone that is creates another instance of the zone.  I've yet to see that outside of Tortage where there are a gazillion people playing lol

 
solareus  5/25/08 10:32:20 PM

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"Eye for an Eye"

Funcom should of been honest , and not lay the load torwards release. Meaning, they should of said 3 years ago , "hey , we think the game will be more effective with this design over an open world design...&