General Discussion

Wow   I never suspected the existence of such games.

But if the game is such moneysink why is it still live? The graphics are gruesome, which is no wonder, when EO has existed for so long. No improvement in textures or models since creation. Players need to pay to do basic things. What keeps the players in, at all?

EU has had a number of updates to the graphics since I have been playing but the biggest one is yet to come later this year with the move to the new CryENGINE 2 im not sure what sreenshots you have been looking at but visit EU's homepage to get some real shots of what its like.

Ok, here is one from a regular EU player.

- The game is ugly. Let's face it, bad graphics, poor sound
- It's a gamble. No matter what MA tells you, this game is and will be gamble for 99% of it's citizens
 - If you are smart (or insanely lucky) you can make money. I know people who are not ubers but very hard workers (all traders to set things straight) that are living of it. It's possible but you need to invest money first and then invest a lot of time in the game itself.
 - I made 2000$ in 12 months and I had a blast with my friends. It is frustrating very often, but with good friends you can havy fun even when you are not making money

So before you start putting money in you need to knoe exactly what this game is about. Do not expect WOW or AoC or EVE or something else. This is EU, it's unique in the market. It's the only game where virtual items have astronimical value and virtual landa are worth millions of dollars in real money. Sounds crazy but that's what it is.

But also be warned, golden times are over, you can not get rich now without putting a lot of money in already. Beta items like modified FAPs or Adjusted guns do not drop any more. Land prices went up by 1297192721% in the last few years, loot systems have been nerfed and nerfed and nerfed many times over the years and being profitable or breaking even is not possible now for the majority of the players.

And all of the above comming from someone who made 500$ in his first run in 6 months and now 2000$ in his second run in 12 months. And I'm still playing it becouse I don't have false expectations from it.

It's a casino but I'm a professional gambler.

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Originally posted by Spiider
Ok,
- I made 2000$ in 12 months and I had a blast with my friends. It is frustrating very often, but with good friends you can havy fun even when you are not making money

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LMAO. I'm not calling you a liar. But seeing this just reminded me of my experience in the game. Almost everyone you run into and talk to in the game will tell you some total BS like all the money they have made or all the thousands of dollars they have made due to their "uber" skills and "mighty brains". And you just KNOW when you're playing looking at them watching them work/play that they are sooooo full of crap.

Just look at the post above. He tells you how "99% of the players" will lose money or whatever but not him, oh ofcourse not. He MADE $2,000. Lmfao. Ofcourse. He is in that special 1% (that you'll run into with 90% of the players) that have made a fortune in the game.

Pretty funny stuff. Atleast I admitted the truth that I lost over $200 USD in about a months time in the game. {winks} But I know... it's 'cuz I'm just a dumbass "Nub" and cuz you're infinately more intelligent then myself. {cough}

Hehe. Sorry, just had to point that out. I had forgot about how 90% of the players in the game will stand around broke as hell in the game but tell you how many hundreds or thousands of dollars they have made playing it. Pretty funny shit actually. Hehe.

- Zaxx

What it needs is a massive overhaul, I won't deny that. I mostly play just to talk to friends and maybe do some low budget activities

Lots of disgruntled people here... I had to register just so that I could say this.

I think much of the negativity comes from people who expected something else than what they got. EU is quite different from most other MMO's, and those who expect to become uber after a few weeks of grinding will of course be disappointed. And if you expect quests and storylines, you will also be disappointed.

EU is a game for people with money. Other MMO's gives benefits to those who spend a lot of time, EU gives benefit to those with cash. To me this is great, as I can't compete with youngsters who has nothing better to do than spend 12 hours a day in front of the computer.

And jeans does not cost $200. More like $60-70. :)

I find it amazingly silly how some complain it's a scam because it costs money.

It's a game, people. Games cost money. It's also an MMO which means it regularly costs you money.  You don't really, honestly, expect to make easy money off a game, right?

By this logic, WoW and most MMOs are huge scams, after all they cost you money but give you no chance to get any back!

It doesn't necessarily cost you more money than your average MMO either.

Anyone above saying something positive about this game is just a shill for the owners.  You and everyone else that plays knows for a fact this game is outright gambling in every shape and form. 

Pretty sad when you stoop down so low that you can say something positive about this game, it certainly does not say much for you as a person.  This game is very much like a pyramid scheme, the older players encourage younger players to play so they can make money off of them.  Shame on you.

"It doesn't necessarily cost you more money than your average MMO either"  

Elucca either you have never played this game or you are naive.  Just playing this game like a normal MMO you can drop $50 a week into it, and that is just playing evenings.  I don't know about you, but there is no game that I have found where you NEED to spend money on like this with little in return.

 This game is gambling plain and simple and if you can't see that blatant fact you really need to reevaluate your value system because it is definitely off kilter.

Ignore those that try to reinforce that scam saying they made money off the game, for every 1 that does 10 don't.  Typical pyramid scheme, those at the top attempt to reinforce the fact that money can be made in the game, they just neglect to tell you that most don't, but if you are foolish enough to play this game just be aware that you are throwing your money away on others.

Hmm.. I saw this thread mentioned in a EU forum and thought Id come in here and give my two pecs on the subject.

1) Entropia is not a gamble, although I see that it can be seen as one. That being said, Swedish Gambling Comitee (MindArk, the Entropia Developer is swedish) have investigated Entropia to see if its gambling or not. It wasnt.

2) Definatly not a scam. Im not sure if I should find it amusing or sad that people here that once put 20 $ in the game without making it back yells scam.

To make the money come around in EU you need dedication, creativity or intelligence - or all of the above. EU's target have always been mature players, and that for a reason. You dont need to own a landarea or have 30 000 $ in crafting skills to make the money come around, but you can't expect to play the game like you would play WoW and expect your 20$ to last. You need a different mindset.

You can relate it to being a teenager and taking on alot of stray jobs before becoming a pro at the job you want to do. There is people in Entropia that makes their living out of hunting, crafting or trading. Alot of them also do a combination of these. Taking upon such professions as hunting you'll need to be efficiant and economic, and very few can pull of acctually earning on hunting in the long run.
However, you can take the loot you got, trade the oils for the extra few % of money that brings in, do a bit of trading or some other service, to make some money back for another hunting spree. 
You should also use the equipment thats most eco for the level you are currently on. I had been using the same set-up for years, until someone who plays entropia for a living told me that other some other gear would be 14% more economic for me, meaning Id be able to kill 14% more mobs for the same amount of money, meaning 14% more possibilites of loot.
What people also forget is that when you hunt, mine or craft -or other activities, you get skills. Those skills are worth money, and you can surgically chip them out later on to sell it. Most people forget this when they calculate how much they have earned/lost on a hunting/mining/crafting-spree.

There is also other ways of earning while you're not hunting, like if you're artistic you can do Make-Up, or you can upload original art and try selling that. I know some graphic designers who's made a neat amount of money making advertisement signs for shops.
There's also the free way of getting money, like collecting 'sweats' from mobs, find fruit and stones on the earth, and get oil at the oil rig (prepare to be killed alot though.) however that tends to be alot of work for little money.

I had a friend who was tired of 'losing money' in entropia. So he figured he'd sell out. When he had sold all his skills and items, he realized he had more then he ever put into the game. He PM'ed me saying "I hate them even more now", and went off to buy himself a new computer irl. He was a mid-level hunter. Or not even that.

Bottom line is, just like RL, Entropia is a challenge. But its fully possible to play without losing big bucks, or even small bucks. You just need the know-how and the will. And if you do lose a couple of bucks a month on it, then thats what you payed for the entertainme