General Discussion

I thought I would add my two cents, or maybe reiterate what has already been established >.>

Someone suggested earlier in the topic that groupers will group and soloers will solo. I prefer incentives to group, but I also want efficiency. I think most players will be guided toward efficiency, not preference of play. Even if I like grouping, if it offers me virtually nothing, I am not going to do it.

I also saw someone indicate that you can effectively group in WoW, dropping a number like 114 hours of play time from 1-70. The group also reached around 40 people or so. I never heard of this, but I do remember the first guy who reached 70 when the new expansion hit. Took him 28 hours if I recall. He did not do it by running dungeons or anything. He had a raid and they helped him powerlevel. From what I understand, if that one player trying to level hits a mob and lets the low leveled raid kill it, he will get a good deal of the xp. It will also be much faster. This is probably the same way the other guy did it. Obviously, this is an impractical means of levelling for the vast majority of players because few have such guild connections/guilds willing to do it.

By ordinary means, I seriously doubt WoW offers much of an advantage to average groups (5 mans or lower) trying to level, if any at all.

I think people are misunderstanding the basic concept behind my post.

Here it is in lamen's terms, in all of its glory:

The current MMORPG market is heavily targetted toward people who want to solo the game from level 1 to endgame and I wish there were more MMORPG makers currently making games targetting the OTHER player.

Note:  In my original post I describe this "OTHER player."

Excellent Post OP!!! You sound a lot like me !! Come join me in Lineage II!! Look it up! Awesome game!

go to AOC forums look at my posts on thred "If you only played WoW"

Originally posted by eowdaoc

I've never seen a group on WoW doing anything but instance running and the occasional quest.  I've grouped up a few times for a quest every now and then because I had to.  I got from 1-70 in WoW and almost a full set of epics almost entirely BY MYSELF.

Depends on what you call a group.  Is 2 a group?  3?  Because if you consider 2 a group, I know people who NEVER and I repeat NEVER play any other way.  They are ALWAYS grouped up when possible.  I know 3 husband and wife couples that have played that way the WHOLE game.  From 1 to 70.  I believe this is fairly common.  Now how often do you find groups of 5 questing?  Yeah, that's pretty much never, but 2 or 3 in a group questing together?  I'd venture to guess that it might be close to 40 or 50% of the players that play that way.  That's just a guess, but it's based on my experience.  I know quite a few people that enjoy questing together as opposed to solo and despite what some think, I actually believe that questing 2 in a group is faster than soloing it or it's at least as fast.

Edit:  Note that I play on a PvP server where it makes quite a bit of sense to group up with at least 1 other person a good bit of time.  This might change radically on PvE servers.  If you are the type of person that likes to group up and have been playing only on PvE servers, you might try a PvP server.

Originally posted by eowdaoc

I think people are misunderstanding the basic concept behind my post.

Here it is in lamen's terms, in all of its glory:

The current MMORPG market is heavily targetted toward people who want to solo the game from level 1 to endgame and I wish there were more MMORPG makers currently making games targetting the OTHER player.

Note:  In my original post I describe this "OTHER player."

I don't agree, I think the current MMORPG developers have targetted BOTH sets of individuals equally and tried to make it appeal to both.

Well, they may have tried, but "imo" they failed.

And I guess this is where the whole "everyone has an asshole and everyone has an opinion" sort of deal kicks in.

/respect to you

/respect to me

I was playing WoW a while back and I thought to myself that I seemed to remember talking to a lot of people when I played Eve so why is that no longer the case.  Well apparantly it's WoW cause I started playing Wurm online and I talk to people all night long again.

Originally posted by Wrender

Excellent Post OP!!! You sound a lot like me !! Come join me in Lineage II!! Look it up! Awesome game!

 

go to AOC forums look at my posts on thred "If you only played WoW"

i tried to tell him of l2 but he quickly shot it down as an asian grinder

Locklain called it a grindfest not me !

Sigh... nobody knows how to read Engilsh anymore...

Originally posted by eowdaoc

Locklain called it a grindfest not me !

Sigh... nobody knows how to read Engilsh anymore...

no need to be an asshole. sorry i got mixed up.....plz forgive oh great one.