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Originally posted by Tuor7

Teala, I've been watching this happening for the last 20 years, but it started much earlier than that... around the time of the Great Depression, I'd guess.

At any rate, things are continuing to progress, and at this point it's far too late to stop what's coming, momentum being what it is.

Yeah, all things come to an end eventually. All you can do is look after your self, your family, and those you care about.

what is a fair tax rate 30% 40% 45% or 50% of your earned wages?

Americans are becoming a nation of sheep? I'd say they've been a nation of sheep for quite some time!

Originally posted by fungistratus

 

Originally posted by Teala

To bad too, because it was looking promising there for awhile.   Instead they are eagerly embracing big government and socialism.    Americans are so pathetic, that they want the government to tell them what to do and when to do it and how to do it - a nation of sheep.

 

Can someone please explain this to me?  Why do conservatives think that they DON'T WANT the government to tell them what to do?  IT MAKES NO SENSE

You say you want the right to bear arms and that the government should be less involved in our personal choices and our lives.  Let us all live our lives without interference yet you want to make laws that say who we can and can't marry...?  Teach a religious theroy (creationism) from only one specific religion in class...?  What a woman can do with her body...? 

Can someone please explain this to me without asking another question?  I am  really trying to get an answer here.  I mean I can understand the right to bear arms there is a legitamite argument there.  But  who can marry who?  How does that affect you?  Governing a woman's body?  

HOW IS THAT NOT THE GOVERNMENT TELLING YOU WHAT TO DO?

Take resposibility for your own stinking lives and I'll take care of myself.  If we'd all do that we wouldn't be in this screwed up mess we're in.   Instead we let others walk all over us...tax the hell out of us and for what?!   Defense?  Get real.  Fixing our infastructure - when?!   Look I do not like democrates nor republicans.   To me they are nothing more then money grubbing, want to be in control, social-pathic (as someone else put it) smacktards.  

STAY THE FRAK OUT OF MY LIFE AND I'LL STAY THE FRAK OUT OF YOURS!

How's that?

Originally posted by Teala

 

Originally posted by fungistratus

 

Originally posted by Teala

To bad too, because it was looking promising there for awhile.   Instead they are eagerly embracing big government and socialism.    Americans are so pathetic, that they want the government to tell them what to do and when to do it and how to do it - a nation of sheep.

 

Can someone please explain this to me?  Why do conservatives think that they DON'T WANT the government to tell them what to do?  IT MAKES NO SENSE

You say you want the right to bear arms and that the government should be less involved in our personal choices and our lives.  Let us all live our lives without interference yet you want to make laws that say who we can and can't marry...?  Teach a religious theroy (creationism) from only one specific religion in class...?  What a woman can do with her body...? 

Can someone please explain this to me without asking another question?  I am  really trying to get an answer here.  I mean I can understand the right to bear arms there is a legitamite argument there.  But  who can marry who?  How does that affect you?  Governing a woman's body?  

HOW IS THAT NOT THE GOVERNMENT TELLING YOU WHAT TO DO?

Sorry, did I say or have I ever stated that I am some kind of weird right wing nut case - EVER!  I don't think so.  I do not care who you sleep with or who you marry(as long as they are breathing and a human - lol) , do I care if someone prays in school or doesn't?  No.   I am pro-choice...but not pro-partial birth abortion(that is just sick - give the kid up for adoption)...as for smoking pot...hey sign me up!  I am for legalization.   I do not care what you do with your life or how you live it...you wish to be poor....hell be poor...don't come crying to me asking for a handout because "you"...you "chose" to be poor.   Wish to ow na gun?  I don't care if you have an armory in your home.  Own a nuke for all I care.

 

Take resposibility for your own stinking lives and I'll take care of myself.  If we'd all do that we wouldn't be in this screwed up mess we're in.   Instead we let others walk all over us...tax the hell out of us and for what?!   Defense?  Get real.  Fixing our infastructure - when?!   Look I do not like democrates nor republicans.   To me they are nothing more then money grubbing, want to be in control, social-pathic (as someone else put it) smacktards.  

STAY THE FRAK OUT OF MY LIFE AND I'LL STAY THE FRAK OUT OF YOURS!

How's that?

and this right here is as far as USA should get in terms of progress. this model.

the progress should end, here. i would concede all that you offer in terms of govt if it can stop at this point.

but it wont, itll keep progressing into something far more social. a U.N. socialsim. thats the end goal. sovereignity gone.

so i fight with the conservatives, to slow down the inevitable.

In a democracy you tell government what to do.  Take away the government and the richest people start calling themselves things like “King” and “Lord” and tell you what to do.  Sounds like a simple choice to me, but it seems the Libertarians and “fiscal conservative” republicans seem determined to convert the US to a Monarchy ruled by board members of large corporations. 

Originally posted by lomiller

In a democracy you tell government what to do.  Take away the government and the richest people start calling themselves things like “King” and “Lord” and tell you what to do.  Sounds like a simple choice to me, but it seems the Libertarians and “fiscal conservative” republicans seem determined to convert the US to a Monarchy ruled by board members of large corporations. 

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Originally posted by CleffyII

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Originally posted by Godliest

I'm at loss of words after your extremely long and intricate discussion and argumentation for the opinion you posed... At least elaborate slightly? And socialism isn't very bad either.

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The Soviet Union, China, Vietnam. Just look at our examples of socialism. The Soviet Union collapsed facing the economy of the US. Vietnam is a 2nd world nation. China is only doing successful now because it has losening its socialist views and getting work from the US.

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Of course we entirely disregard that they used the extreme forms of it... Then capitalism would be an entirely free market without any form of control, and that we've already tried and seen that the only ones getting anything out of were those who owned the companies as they could lower the wages to almost nothing.

Americans cant choose that much in elections, since 150 years only two major parties get elected. I dont think there is really a huge significant difference between both.

Its just amazing to see how long it takes to choose a president candidate from just only one party, instead the party decides who could be elected they battle against each other for months and spent money for nothing since its still the same party with their political principles, doesnt matter if obama or clinton.