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Originally posted by Zorndorf

Thank you for submitting all your own defintions of sandboxes.

I ve seen about 8 different definitions here.

To the last poster. Tx for the effort.

But my main goal here was to show that WOW/TBC Anno 2008 changed a LOT since Nov 2007.

And I guess with the constructable fortresses in WotlK with the added siege engine systems...these are just a next step in further evolution to even more choices of play (and crafting :)) .

I agree with most of what you all said BTW.

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As for stealth: well my paladin crafted a tool I can do stealth with :)) and indeed I can craft a rocket launcher doing BIG distance damage. (just teasing but I can ...)

But have a nice day in that universal unexsistent universe called sandbox.

Bravo Zorndorf! You have just won the thread hi-jack award for June 2008. Well done my friend... WELL DONE!!!

Can you believe these folks are actually trying to defend their pitiful definitions of sandbox?? You really have them going!!

Hey - I hear the GOP committee is looking for new staff writers for their 'talking points'...

you would be a shoe in!

Originally posted by MiMoSeTH

Thanks for ignoring all our detailed points and sum them up as "you're all wrong, WoW rocks, and so do i".

Congratulations on being one of countless millions of drones not even aknowledging there can be different styles. That yours is the one and only. That any one even thinking there is different stuff out there is plain wrong.

 

But you ALL proved to yourselves that you all have very different definitions of a sandbox.
 

Just look at the OP.

And some more convincing than others I might say.

And I never said all of you were wrong in your dreams.

I only showed you all have different dreams  of "sandboxes". And my dreams are just as valid as yours.

The only thing I know is that I am playing in my dream.

Off with my helicopter ... :)

Originally posted by sorcielle

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Thank you for submitting all your own defintions of sandboxes.

I ve seen about 8 different definitions here.

To the last poster. Tx for the effort.

But my main goal here was to show that WOW/TBC Anno 2008 changed a LOT since Nov 2007.

And I guess with the constructable fortresses in WotlK with the added siege engine systems...these are just a next step in further evolution to even more choices of play (and crafting :)) .

I agree with most of what you all said BTW.

-----

As for stealth: well my paladin crafted a tool I can do stealth with :)) and indeed I can craft a rocket launcher doing BIG distance damage. (just teasing but I can ...)

But have a nice day in that universal unexsistent universe called sandbox.

 

Bravo Zorndorf! You have just won the thread hi-jack award for June 2008. Well done my friend... WELL DONE!!!

Can you believe these folks are actually trying to defend their pitiful definitions of sandbox?? You really have them going!!

Hey - I hear the GOP committee is looking for new staff writers for their 'talking points'...

you would be a shoe in!

I am not impressed , i must say. All he does is repeats himself and doesn't put the facts in the lines.

He is subjective , if he is claiming WOW as a sandbox. Fine , but that is his opinion. The fact lies that WOW is a pure linear game and not a sandbox game.

But unfortunately, half minded people with LOW IQ's who probably have not even studied since they have no creativity only think they are the right persons. I would call them georgy boys. Incompetent morons

My analogy about the human is correct. The majority are stupid.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by MiMoSeTH

Thanks for ignoring all our detailed points and sum them up as "you're all wrong, WoW rocks, and so do i".

Congratulations on being one of countless millions of drones not even aknowledging there can be different styles. That yours is the one and only. That any one even thinking there is different stuff out there is plain wrong.

 

But you ALL proved to yourselves that you all have very different definitions of a sandbox.
 

Just look at the OP.

And some more convincing than others I might say.

And I never said all of you were wrong in your dreams.

I only showed you all have different dreams  of "sandboxes". And my dreams are just as valid as yours.

The only thing I know is that I am playing in my dream.

Off with my helicopter ... :)

 

The definition of sandbox also is stated in WIKI.  Linear and sandbox are written in stones. There is only one definition and most people already explained it to you , but of course . Narrow minded people to the extremes simply refuse to understand that. 

A sandbox is a virtual world, where you can affect, have choice and are free.

Please refear or look at wiki for the real facts. These people have explained it already , it is you , who cannot understand or just simply lack the understanding and IQ in my opinion.

Please look above your shoulders and please look behind the horizon instead of your numbling low IQ talk.

You have a low IQ if you do not see the difference between a fact and a subjective opinion.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

And I never said all of you were wrong in your dreams.

I only showed you all have different dreams  of "sandboxes". And my dreams are just as valid as yours.

The only thing I know is that I am playing in my dream.

Off with my helicopter ... :)

 

It's not a dream, you moron. These games existed, many people played them. And those 'definitions' you say are not definitions, are features that ( oh surprise ) most of them had. I understand an idiot like you has a very hard time understanding that a mmorpg can have other activities as important as combat in a game, but of course we're not gonna explain in detail all the features in sandboxes because, by DEFINITION, other activities are on par with combat in relevance. I mentioned some combat related features in Ryzom because, mind you, it's a game that was out for some years and people played it on their computers, not on their dreams. Others might talk about the complex crafting, or the trading, or whatever.

That's one of the reasons they're sandboxes. The relevance of many activities is on par with combat. Try to swallow that if your narrowed, arrogant mind can.

Originally posted by shadenis

 

The definition of sandbox also is stated in WIKI.  Linear and sandbox are written in stones. There is only one definition and most people already explained it to you , but of course . Narrow minded people to the extremes simply refuse to understand that. 

A sandbox is a virtual world, where you can affect, have choice and are free.

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Sounds WOW/TBC June 2008.

The opening of the Sunwell these last months was an effort from the whole population.

Made possible by doing daily quests and crafting from the whole community per server.

Oh  !that doesn't count because it's Wow.

Constructable keeps and crafted siege engines are already now in WotLK alfa.

Oh that doesn't count because it is Wow.

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The best answer I got till now is the guy who said Wow had no economy.

And all things were obtained through NPC's.

How much hate, so little substance.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by shadenis

 

The definition of sandbox also is stated in WIKI.  Linear and sandbox are written in stones. There is only one definition and most people already explained it to you , but of course . Narrow minded people to the extremes simply refuse to understand that. 

A sandbox is a virtual world, where you can affect, have choice and are free.

...

 

Sounds WOW/TBC June 2008.

The opening of the Sunwell these last months was an effort from the whole population.

Made possible by doing daily quests and crafting from the whole community per server.

Oh  !that doesn't count because it's Wow.

Constructable keeps and crafted siege engines are already now in WotLK alfa.

Oh that doesn't count because it is Wow.

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The best answer I got till now is the guy who said Wow had no economy.

And all things were obtained through NPC's.

How much hate, so little substance.

 

 

So that does make it a sandbox? /laughs

It resets , kill kael thalas , oh cool, it dies, but next week you can fight it again. These enemies do not do anything, they just wait, in the sandbox world and lines, this is the opposite.  Dungeons reset , blizzard can revamp there crafting system but that doesn't make it open ended. I have to follow those steps, it holds my hand principle and that's why WOW is linear. WOW is linear doesn't make it a crappy game.

 wow is linear , it is a fact and it is set in stone. No matter what extra buttons you put in it , it stays at it core , the same!

Sandbox and linear can live together. They are both different and both have there qualities and negatives. You have to accept that, if you can't, you kinda make yourself look like an idiot bud.

Move aside, you repeat yourself.

wow is a good game, yet you think i hate it.

Just shows how stupid are you.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by shadenis

 

The definition of sandbox also is stated in WIKI.  Linear and sandbox are written in stones. There is only one definition and most people already explained it to you , but of course . Narrow minded people to the extremes simply refuse to understand that. 

A sandbox is a virtual world, where you can affect, have choice and are free.

...

 

Sounds WOW/TBC June 2008.

The opening of the Sunwell these last months was an effort from the whole population.

Made possible by doing daily quests and crafting from the whole community per server.

Oh  !that doesn't count because it's Wow.

 

And how much choice did you have in HOW the island developed due to the community's efforts?

And once the last part of the island was claimed by the Shatterred Sun Offensive, what other options for virtual world advancement were available?

I LOVE WoW, I really do, and it's NOTHING to do with disliking WoW, I would say the same about LOTRO, EQ2, AoC.... they're not sandbox.