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Originally posted by Forcan

 

... You, sir, just fail at logic...

Seriously, IF the game starts at 70, what's the point of 1 - 69?  Wasting money and time until 70 to play the "real game"? 

You cannot say WoW is not linear when you still have 1 - 69 right there in the character progression...  Because you already passed the stage doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

 

By the way, I'm still waiting for the answer to my questions from earlier posts to see if you can prove WoW to be a sandbox game...

 

I proved it already a dozen times and the only thing you can come up with is.
 

"This is just YOUR opnion of MMORPG's and sandboxes"

Well to sum it up AGAIN (sigh)

1. Wow has a real player economy - based on crafting and professions that changes the characters and so changes the game and its challenges. The auction house is the best implemtented of ALL MMORPG's btw.

2. It has freedom of choices to play whatever you like and HOW you like it and STILL get character improvements past 70 .

3. World changes ARE taking place as a result of server achievements of players. No matter what you say about being preprogrammed. It IS there.

4. A LOT of alternatives in its game playing. PVE (dozens of choices) PvP (open world PvP, BG's, Arena, and  e-sport arena with premades and completely free gear choice).

5. Wotlk will have constructable Keeps (by the players), party equiped tank vehicles, and destructable buildings, without a doubt accompanied with crafting professions to further support player interaction with these evolutions.

To me it is a sandbox I like to play in.

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You will say NO this is not sandbox!

Eve is a sandbox !!! A game where your character can't even leave its spaceship !!! While I craft helicopters in Wow.

In WoW the game starts at 70? WoW is like a sanbox after 70? You sir are an idiot.

In SWG the game started the minute you loaded into Cnet, or Nabbo, or whichever destination you chose. That game never had a ending. You didnt need to max a combat proffesion to have any fun.

SWG was the last of a TRUE MMORPG. WoW fans have no idea on what they missed.

I just wish a really good, polished Sanbox game would be released and give all those poor mmorpg players (who have only ever played WoW etc) a real taste of what an mmorpg should look like.

Originally posted by blondeh

In WoW the game starts at 70? WoW is like a sanbox after 70? You sir are an idiot.

In SWG the game started the minute you loaded into Cnet, or Nabbo, or whichever destination you chose. That game never had a ending. You didnt need to max a combat proffesion to have any fun.

SWG was the last of a TRUE MMORPG. WoW fans have no idea on what they missed.

I just wish a really good, polished Sanbox game would be released and give all those poor mmorpg players (who have only ever played WoW etc) a real taste of what an mmorpg should look like.

I bet about 2699 players will not agree with you that SWG was a sand box.

It just shows that sandbox is a "hype" that doen't exist. A word without meaning.

Originally posted by Thillian

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You were the guy that wanted to prove Wow was not a sandbox because you couldn't craft ... let's see ...saddles and zeppelins that would "change the world".

Well I answered that I have a crafted saddle and make helicopters

Still waiting for your answer....

Actually, present time WoW is the epitome of linear gameplay. At least at he beginning the game was more free roaming than it is today (minus the leveling of course).

Right now you're boxed in two very rigid, very unforgiving paths with a specific pattern that you need to do every single day.

If you're a raider (or the more casual version of running instances)

1. Take the flying mount and do as many dailies as possible.
2. Take the flying mount and farm as many herbs as possible.
3. Take the flying mount and go spend 3-5 hours in a raid instance (less tiime for group ones)
4. Rinse and repeat each day

If you're a PvPer, it's simper.

1. Go to battlemaster, register for an instance, either arena or battleground.
2. Wait
3. Enter instance, play the game.
4. Exit instance
5. Rinse and repeat each day.

If you're a casual, you're basically running through the same routine, with a slower pace and much less stress. The problem of course that the mere existence of this routine gameplay is the pinnacle of what constitutes the opposite of what a true sandbox is all about.

It's not the levels really. You can have a sandbox game with levels (raising skills or raising levels is really the same thing). The moment however you're locked in a routine, doing things out of necessity so as to enjoy things you like, sandbox goes down the drain.

The strong point of WoW is that the routine is interesting and it does keep you ocuppied and entertained fr quite some time. However, this is not about either popularity or entertainment value.

WoW is a great game on it's own. It doesn't need to be called something it is not to do well. Blizzard can potentially do a great sandbox MMO in the future. WoW will however remain her theme-park MMO.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Forcan

 

... You, sir, just fail at logic...

Seriously, IF the game starts at 70, what's the point of 1 - 69?  Wasting money and time until 70 to play the "real game"? 

You cannot say WoW is not linear when you still have 1 - 69 right there in the character progression...  Because you already passed the stage doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

 

By the way, I'm still waiting for the answer to my questions from earlier posts to see if you can prove WoW to be a sandbox game...

 

I proved it already a dozen times and the only thing you can come up with is.
 

Again, you are using your opinion, and you are not answering my question.

"This is just YOUR opnion of MMORPG's and sandboxes"

Well to sum it up AGAIN (sigh)

1. Wow has a real player economy - based on crafting and professions that changes the characters and so changes the game and its challenges. The auction house is the best implemtented of ALL MMORPG's btw.

Best Auction house? maybe, best economy? nope.  It's your opinion stating it to be the best, not the fact.  Where's the proof?

2. It has freedom of choices to play whatever you like and HOW you like it and STILL get character improvements past 70 .\

If you don't what to go find my question, I'll ask here...

Can you become a melee hunter and still be accepted?  Does the system give you that freedom with no punishment?

Can you be a pure crafter?  not once raise a weapon hitting any mobs?

Can you have your own estate anywhere in the game world?

Can you take over Orgrimmar or Stormwind and hold control over it?

Will what you do MATTER to the game world?  Can you really AFFECT the game world?

 

3. World changes ARE taking place as a result of server achievements of players. No matter what you say about being preprogrammed. It IS there.

Can others make change to this effect?  The world change are scripted (pre-designed), and like one poster said, the change is about WHEN it will occur, not IF it will occur.

So can another group of player destroy the effort of others in this world change?

4. A LOT of alternatives in its game playing. PVE (dozens of choices) PvP (open world PvP, BG's, Arena, and  e-sport arena with premades and completely free gear choice).

Well, again, can you be a pure crafter without being any other class?

Except of the above mentioned "style", anything without the lure of gear advancement?

5. Wotlk will have constructable Keeps (by the players), party equiped tank vehicles, and destructable buildings, without a doubt accompanied with crafting professions to further support player interaction with these evolutions.

 

Well, is it limited to just the area from the expansion?  Or does that take place in ALL of the game world?

To me it is a sandbox I like to play in.

 

This means "in your opinion", so where's the proof?  Personal experience are biased and therefore isn't fit to be a sound proof.  You need more than just personal experience in order to make your argument stick.

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You will say NO this is not sandbox!

Eve is a sandbox !!! A game where your character can't even leave it's spaceship !!! While I craft helicopters in Wow.

 

Well, you are focusing on the one aspect which there are limitation.  (Of course some can say the ship IS your avatar and that you can change into other ships --- freedom right there...)

As for the rest, EVE stays true to the sandbox core, while WoW does not...

Answer the above questions and try to make your argument stick...  Or I would just take it you have nothing else and should just stop right here...

Originally posted by Sophist

Originally posted by Avos

Sadly most people who play games aren't smart enough or creative enough to keep playing sanboxes, it seems.  Most gamers apparently need to be spoonfed levels, classes, restrictions, and loots.  Look at the 10 million cronies playing WoW. 

That game has kept these people happy for YEARS!  The industry knows this and that's why all we see are these linear games.  I would say, in fact, the problem is more the players than the developers.

 

OMG Give up on life and go back to playing wow noone is saying wow is the worst game in the world so please get over it . The point is most wow kiddies that have been playing for years have been cause they never knew what an MMORPG REALLY was then WoW came out. All they knew was DragonballZ and craptastice bull. Thats why when they play a real game and get spanked in it they come cry here and run back to WoW in failure denial.

Go Loose all you have made in the game over 6 months  in one missile volley and then come here and say you  enjoyed it then we can talk.

Now that people are sick of the spoon fed dribble coming out and are voicing up about it  we expect the indusrtie to listen and develop the game we will enjoy. But no some asshat like you has to come in here ans spout WoW fanboisme.

PLEASE GO PLAY WOW IF YOUR SO DAMN HAPPY WITH IT!!!!

It seems your reply is totally wrong (reply was for other reply to respones to?)or you absolutely have no clue what he said, but he is 100% not a wowfanboi:P
 

Originally posted by Xasapis

Actually, present time WoW is the epitome of