General Discussion

I am having an arguement with a dev about why people like to beat the snot out of each other in games. I say They do it because it is fun and challenging, but the Dev says they do it because of loot. Though in most games I have ever played I didn't get anything other than the satisfaction of beating them down like the dog who stole the TV guide, and that was the whole purpose of me doing it in the first place. The dev is still trying to tell me that the reason players fight is because they only want loot. So.. what do you think do people fight for the challenge and fun of the actual combat or do they do it simply for rewards? Sure rewards are frosting on the cake, but we still kill each other whether or not there are any rewards because it is fun!

I enjoy the challenge of facing off against another human as opposed to simply trying to perfect the "boss dance" to take down a raid boss.  Raid bosses are okay opponents, but I prefer the thrill of taking down real people.  Hell, not having to loot other players in PvP is great, saves me the time clicking piles of garbage on the ground.     Plus, I don't mind being content for someone else.  ;-)

I think you're both right. People who enjoy PvP enjoy the challenge of fighting other human opponents. (In the main; there's other reasons people like PvP, but that's the biggie.) However, most people view activities that don't have rewards as a waste of time, at least in MMOs. If there wasn't some reward for PvP a lot of people wouldn't bother.

PvP > all

Discerning the particular reasons for each player's love/hate for PvP is, I think, impossible. It's a little bit of everything, from wanting to loot, to challenge, to avenging the dishonor of your ancestors, or whatever.

most games dont have pvp where you can take people loot so it cant be that so the dev is wrong and you are right

I <3 shiny happy people holding hands!

But seriously, I want risk.  Without risk, there is not really a reward.  I believe that you must have a reward to put in risk.  I don't enjoy PvP without the risk of a bad consequence happening if I lose.

For instance, if I am going to get into a battle with my opponent, I want there to be risk.  I want to think before  my actions, I need to use my potions/food wisely.   I realize that if I plan to get into a battle, I should get a group first to assist me.

You see, this is why I am a fan of loot.  I don't enjoy just running into a battle, dying, and repeat.  If I am dead, there goes my hard earned items.

You NEED loot to add in risk- and risk is what I enjoy in PvP.

I fight for the risk and adventure- the loot is a bonus.  No loot will replace the great time I had in the wilderness with my group and I, battling people 30 levels higher.  If I didn't get any loot, it wasn't really taht big of a deal, since I still had a great time in the battle.

To sum it up-  You need loot to add in risk.  If there is no risk, I don't find it ineteresting.

So I do fight just for the enjoyment of it.  I could care less about the loot, but I need risk.

I beileve I am one of those happy people holding hands...

It's funny, but I seem to play alone a lot im MMOs these days.  I recall playing UO and getting killed a lot and thats part of why I left the game.  If I am going to play with other people I prefer to work together with them then to fight against them.  PvPers always seemed very rude and violent people to me.  Not all of them, but most of them.  It drives me away from playing on PvP servers.  Maybe that means I don't want a real challenge, but I prefer the Devs to challenge me then to fight against the hordes of rude gankers that always seem to spring up.

Fun and challenge, but then again, most MMO these days are all about gears and loot.   In most game today, winning a pvp fight is more about the gears then anything else.

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