Star Wars Galaxies

I think this dialogue between a veteran player and Jeff Freeman sheds some light on this subject.

Vet: "You say your whole Dev team knew the NGE was doomed."
Freeman: "No, I said the whole dev team knew the NGE would not appeal to current players and that many of the current players would quit.  Some knew it was doomed, and others thought marketing would carry the day."

The only way marketing would "carry the day" would be if all the players that got burned went away quietly.  SOE/LEC went to a lot of trouble to make that happen too.  They tried to discredit our experience in media interviews, in magazines and in the forums.  In their forums our posts were edited to say entirely different things than intended, they were moved to obscurity, they were locked or deleted.  People that posted their true thoughts and feelings, even respectfully were banned.

I guess you can't piss on a few hundred thousand people and then silence them after all.  For everyone that spoke up, nice job.  As a result, thousands got refunds on the expansion that was gutted by the nasty surprise called the NGE, some claim to have received full subscription refunds, gamers everywhere approach SOE with caution, and both SOE and LEC have recently undergone extensive restructuring.  While numerous factors are related to all of these changes, veteran players who did not accept SOE and LEC's abuse quietly certainly played a role.  I say, "well done all"  :)

The LEC marketing droids really have no clue as to how LEC is perceived in the gaming community.

They also wish away the impact of word of mouth....it can help you beyond the dreams of Nute Gunray's avarice, or it can kill you deader than Darth Vader's force choke.

$OE and the fanbois and fanbots do not wish to hear the truth.

the truth is that the pre-cu was one of the greatest worlds ever made it was a living breathing world but $OE wanted that warcraft pie. that is why we got the lame cu and $OE turning swg into the nge.

the fact is $OE knows that we the vet player base are right. we have done everything in our power to show mmo players that they should not touch any mmo by $OE. look at all they have now 2 games on the ps3 and that is it. but yet $OE does not wish to hear the truth that if they even came out with 1 pre-cu swg server they would have tons of players in no time. if not more as most gamers are sick of the level based games that plauge our market.

that is why they have their fanbois and fanbots go on forums claiming the game is good or that something is fun. know when the game was fun fanbois? post pub-9 and before those action gamers came in with jtl. that is when swg got reviews of 5/5 10/10 5 stars and had every gaming mag and reviewer talking about how great swg was.

not only that $OE and their friends over at funCON now see who runs games. we do.

we have killed swg and are just waiting for $OE to shut it down or roll it back.

we have killed age of CONan and players are leaving CONan enmass.

gaming is going back to the way it should be our way. mark my words by next year you will see consoles like the xbox and wii dieing off. you will see a return of old school pc gaming and the end of games like warcraft and the like. and mark my words bioware when kotor online comes out will be a pre-cu game as they now see that pre-cu is the only way to go with an mmo.

we won $OE give us our world back.

Originally posted by swgtester1

$OE and the fanbois and fanbots do not wish to hear the truth.

the truth is that the pre-cu was one of the greatest worlds ever made it was a living breathing world but $OE wanted that warcraft pie. that is why we got the lame cu and $OE turning swg into the nge.

the fact is $OE knows that we the vet player base are right. we have done everything in our power to show mmo players that they should not touch any mmo by $OE. look at all they have now 2 games on the ps3 and that is it. but yet $OE does not wish to hear the truth that if they even came out with 1 pre-cu swg server they would have tons of players in no time. if not more as most gamers are sick of the level based games that plauge our market.

that is why they have their fanbois and fanbots go on forums claiming the game is good or that something is fun. know when the game was fun fanbois? post pub-9 and before those action gamers came in with jtl. that is when swg got reviews of 5/5 10/10 5 stars and had every gaming mag and reviewer talking about how great swg was.

not only that $OE and their friends over at funCON now see who runs games. we do.

we have killed swg and are just waiting for $OE to shut it down or roll it back.

we have killed age of CONan and players are leaving CONan enmass.

gaming is going back to the way it should be our way. mark my words by next year you will see consoles like the xbox and wii dieing off. you will see a return of old school pc gaming and the end of games like warcraft and the like. and mark my words bioware when kotor online comes out will be a pre-cu game as they now see that pre-cu is the only way to go with an mmo.

we won $OE give us our world back.

Yes, it will be the way of the dodo if you have your way.

Originally posted by swgtester1

$OE and the fanbois and fanbots do not wish to hear the truth.

the truth is that the pre-cu was one of the greatest worlds ever made it was a living breathing world but $OE wanted that warcraft pie. that is why we got the lame cu and $OE turning swg into the nge.

the fact is $OE knows that we the vet player base are right. we have done everything in our power to show mmo players that they should not touch any mmo by $OE. look at all they have now 2 games on the ps3 and that is it. but yet $OE does not wish to hear the truth that if they even came out with 1 pre-cu swg server they would have tons of players in no time. if not more as most gamers are sick of the level based games that plauge our market.

that is why they have their fanbois and fanbots go on forums claiming the game is good or that something is fun. know when the game was fun fanbois? post pub-9 and before those action gamers came in with jtl. that is when swg got reviews of 5/5 10/10 5 stars and had every gaming mag and reviewer talking about how great swg was.

not only that $OE and their friends over at funCON now see who runs games. we do.

we have killed swg and are just waiting for $OE to shut it down or roll it back.

we have killed age of CONan and players are leaving CONan enmass.

gaming is going back to the way it should be our way. mark my words by next year you will see consoles like the xbox and wii dieing off. you will see a return of old school pc gaming and the end of games like warcraft and the like. and mark my words bioware when kotor online comes out will be a pre-cu game as they now see that pre-cu is the only way to go with an mmo.

we won $OE give us our world back.

Doom! Doom!

But seriously, I would go back to SWG in an instant if they made a pre-cu server. They won't and the rest of this post is common knowledge, except the doom-saying. Which is most of it.
 

At  the time the NGE was being developed and released, both SOE and to a lesser degree LEC, didn't give a rats ass about it's current players. Since then LEC has all but abandoned and distanced themselves from SOE and SWG for what's gonna probably be their biggest game to date with Boiware.

The NGE has always been SOE's baby, it's always been their forums and it's always been them 99.9% of the time trying their hardest to silence the vets. It hasn't worked as we all know and i too stand up and salute every other pre-cu player that has voiced their opinion and discontent for this shame that SOE pulled on the gaming community.

Originally posted by swgtester1

$OE and the fanbois and fanbots do not wish to hear the truth.

the truth is that the pre-cu was one of the greatest worlds ever made it was a living breathing world but $OE wanted that warcraft pie. that is why we got the lame cu and $OE turning swg into the nge.

the fact is $OE knows that we the vet player base are right. we have done everything in our power to show mmo players that they should not touch any mmo by $OE. look at all they have now 2 games on the ps3 and that is it. but yet $OE does not wish to hear the truth that if they even came out with 1 pre-cu swg server they would have tons of players in no time. if not more as most gamers are sick of the level based games that plauge our market.

that is why they have their fanbois and fanbots go on forums claiming the game is good or that something is fun. know when the game was fun fanbois? post pub-9 and before those action gamers came in with jtl. that is when swg got reviews of 5/5 10/10 5 stars and had every gaming mag and reviewer talking about how great swg was.

not only that $OE and their friends over at funCON now see who runs games. we do.

we have killed swg and are just waiting for $OE to shut it down or roll it back.

we have killed age of CONan and players are leaving CONan enmass.

gaming is going back to the way it should be our way. mark my words by next year you will see consoles like the xbox and wii dieing off. you will see a return of old school pc gaming and the end of games like warcraft and the like. and mark my words bioware when kotor online comes out will be a pre-cu game as they now see that pre-cu is the only way to go with an mmo.

we won $OE give us our world back.

(stands up and claps loudly) WHOOOOT (stand innovation)

brilliant post and totally true

if games went back to what they used to be, starting with UO style going to SWG and EVE style thats the direction MMOGs should head. thats where quality resides,

the only reason EQ was a success was that it was the first 3D MMORPG to come out

the only reason WoW was a success was the name, and its addictive simplicity. anyone and their grandmother can play and have fun.

then came their copies, not such a success.

bioware better make a sandbox game or that will prove that companies do not listen to their players. they see only what they want to see.

-WoW makes 1 bazillion subscriptions lets do a game like WoW.

-but players want sandbox game style

-what? players want world of warcraft?

-no players want skill system

-world of warcraft makes millions

-yeh but other games dont

-world of warcraft makes millions

-but... other games have failed...gah...

-world of warcraft makes millions  lets do a game like it but with other names..

-it wont work it will fail

-so its settled lets make world of (insert name here)

thats the impression i get from gaming companies

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

  I say, "well done all"  :)

I agree!

I think we'll see some interesting changes to this industry in the next few years. Maybe in part to what happened to SWG, and the unwillingness of some consumers to go away quietly.

It's kind of funny that with all the hatred and anger current subscribers show towards "disgruntled vets" they forget that it has been us that has held SoE accountable. It is us who SoE needs, and I believe that is why we saw things return to SWG like Beast Master/Creature Handler, Bio-engineering, camps, etc.

Undoubtedly we've made an impact, so I for one applaud people who stand up and demand more out of their products.

Way to go!  : )

I agree that SOE 's marketing team has devoted significant resources and manpower to trashing us Vets and denigrating our quite legimitate concerns.

One of the ways that they have done this is by an absolute iron-fisted refusal to accept any of editing of the wikipedia page on SWG unless it is with their approval.

Here is the page;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Galaxies

Read it and, if you see anything inside it that you know is not true, then re-edit it to reflect the truth! The SOE team might delete your changes but if we keep going back then it will eventually reflect the truth about this game.