General Discussion

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Originally posted by Stradden

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Originally posted by impulsebooks

This news is a fucking disaster. Reducing to 2 capitals will probably make people roll Chaos and Empire careers leaving the other two depopulated. Also, its been said that has a quick fix you need to fight and win the war in 2 campaigns before you get to lay seige to Altdorf. That is just plain bad IMO. It reduces the entire game down to points. The lore and logic of taking ground and keeps and strategic points on the map goes out the window.
What effect does a captured keep in the high elf area (just for instance) have on the defence of Altdorf for christsake! Everything in the two campaigns lacking cities has just been reduced to so much victory point grinding material.
Some people seem to think the missing classes will be added after launch, but Jeff has already stated that is still under discussion! Under discussion!! With the usual post lauch fixes to do, does anyone believe Mythic will have the time to redo those four classes?

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Where are you getting yoyur information? I only ask because I hadn't heard anything about winning multiple campaigns or any comments from Jeff Hickman.

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Over on WHA in one of the 8 thousand threads this article spawned James Said you will now need to control 2 of the parings to advance to the capitol city stage...

Well, I do not see any of this as a good thing.

*  Canceled classes

*  Canceled starting areas

*  Now looks like the same ghastly mistake EQ2 made with their start & faction areas

*  Punkbuster ? ? ?   This is not a 32 player game, is it?  This is a game with 1000s of players on a server at one time.  I cannot believe this is not going to have a Client-side impact on performance and gameplay.  Not to mention the security issues this is going to raise.  Using a package like this on a FPS like BF series is one thing.  Using it in a persistant world where you stand to lose months, if not years, of progress on being hacked?

WAR just dropped several notches on my interest list.  Looking like it is being rushed to market to soon.  They should just bite the bullet and finish it for release, like they have always said they were going to do. 

And drop this astoundingly stupid idea of using 'Punkbuster' for security.

Just my 2c

Originally posted by Shoal

Well, I do not see any of this as a good thing.

*  Canceled classes    - Delayed / Cancelled we techincally don't knwo I'm leaning towards Delayed due to incompleteness they do exist they just aren't ready.

*  Canceled starting areas   The cities are NOT starting areas its content is all high level content except for AH & Bank systems which are readily available in ALL cities

*  Now looks like the same ghastly mistake EQ2 made with their start & faction areas   Hardly everyone starts in the Realm to their Race completely different zones..there's just only one capital to report too (please read moer about the game before posting.

*  Punkbuster ? ? ?   This is not a 32 player game, is it?  This is a game with 1000s of players on a server at one time.  I cannot believe this is not going to have a Client-side impact on performance and gameplay.  Not to mention the security issues this is going to raise.  Using a package like this on a FPS like BF series is one thing.  Using it in a persistant world where you stand to lose months, if not years, of progress on being hacked?

WAR just dropped several notches on my interest list.  Looking like it is being rushed to market to soon.  They should just bite the bullet and finish it for release, like they have always said they were going to do. 

And drop this astoundingly stupid idea of using 'Punkbuster' for security.

Just my 2c

Hardly a rush the game's been in development for almost 4 years now.   Considering what happened with other games EQ2 and AoC where they released everything even if it wasn't finished...I'll choose WAR's method anyday.  I'd rather it just not be there if its not finished.

Originally posted by banthis

Originally posted by Shoal

Well, I do not see any of this as a good thing.

*  Canceled classes    - Delayed / Cancelled we techincally don't knwo I'm leaning towards Delayed due to incompleteness they do exist they just aren't ready.

*  Canceled starting areas   The cities are NOT starting areas its content is all high level content except for AH & Bank systems which are readily available in ALL cities

*  Now looks like the same ghastly mistake EQ2 made with their start & faction areas   Hardly everyone starts in the Realm to their Race completely different zones..there's just only one capital to report too (please read moer about the game before posting.

*  Punkbuster ? ? ?   This is not a 32 player game, is it?  This is a game with 1000s of players on a server at one time.  I cannot believe this is not going to have a Client-side impact on performance and gameplay.  Not to mention the security issues this is going to raise.  Using a package like this on a FPS like BF series is one thing.  Using it in a persistant world where you stand to lose months, if not years, of progress on being hacked?

WAR just dropped several notches on my interest list.  Looking like it is being rushed to market to soon.  They should just bite the bullet and finish it for release, like they have always said they were going to do. 

And drop this astoundingly stupid idea of using 'Punkbuster' for security.

Just my 2c

 

Hardly a rush the game's been in development for almost 4 years now.   Considering what happened with other games EQ2 and AoC where they released everything even if it wasn't finished...I'll choose WAR's method anyday.  I'd rather it just not be there if its not finished.

My thoughts on the Starting areas are based on DAoC which had starting areas related to the Capital Cities.  Thus, if only two Capital Cities are in play, I would expect only two sets of Starting areas to be in play as well.  Could be wrong; don't have any maps.

Delayed is as good as canceled as far as Launch goes.  Lets say they are canceled for launch and indefinitely delayed for inclusion (we don't actually have any dates). 

No thoughts on Punkbuster?
 

what a sick joke,  cutting out 2/3 of content from the game, i dont care anymore when this crap is released, another fail...

Im not concerned with the removal of the captial cities as long as they are put in at a later date. What really irks me is the removal of the classes.  I had beeen planning on playing a blackguard since they released information about them. Now I have to go back to the drawing board. Adding classes to a game after it has already started is never a good thing. There is always going to be a balance issue. They should have just delayed the game again untill they got it right. Mark keeps saying EA is having no impact on Mythic's schedule for the game, then why release it when its obviously not ready? If it was ready you wouldn't have to cut out key elements of the game to make it enjoyable. And what about all their bs about the game being done for months and all we are doing is polishing things up...

Originally posted by novafluxx

Originally posted by ProfRed

I think they should delay the launch with what is going on...  I wonder if they would have taken this same route if they didn't have AoC as an example.  Either way I don't think the game is ready to launch when they are launching it.

 

I bet they saw what happened wit Funcom and AoC and learned some lessons from it.

I think they where aiming way higher since the start. DAoC was possibly the best MMORPG release ever. Mythic design things, they test things, they are honest with there customers (this announcement for example) Unlike FC which do the exact reverse.

Originally posted by Shoal

Originally posted by banthis

Originally posted by Shoal

Well, I do not see any of this as a good thing.

*  Canceled classes    - Delayed / Cancelled we techincally don't knwo I'm leaning towards Delayed due to incompleteness they do exist they just aren't ready.

*  Canceled starting areas   The cities are NOT starting areas its content is all high level content except for AH & Bank systems which are readily available in ALL cities

*  Now looks like the same ghastly mistake EQ2 made with their start & faction areas   Hardly everyone starts in the Realm to their Race completely different zones..there's just only one capital to report too (please read moer about the game before posting.

*  Punkbuster ? ? ?   This is not a 32 player game, is it?  This is a game with 1000s of players on a server at one time.  I cannot believe this is not going to have a Client-side impact on performance and gameplay.  Not to mention the security issues this is going to raise.  Using a package like this on a FPS like BF series is one thing.  Using it in a persistant world where you stand to lose months, if not years, of progress on being hacked?

WAR just dropped several notches on my interest list.  Looking like it is being rushed to market to soon.  They should just bite the bullet and finish it for release, like they have always said they were going to do. 

And drop this astoundingly stupid idea of using 'Punkbuster' for security.

Just my 2c

 

Hardly a rush the game's been in development for almost 4 years now.   Considering what happened with other games EQ2 and AoC where they released everything even if it wasn't finished...I'll choose WAR's method anyday.  I'd rather it just not be there if its not finished.

No thoughts on Punkbuster?
 

On Punkbuster?  No...but something needs to be done to eliminating or help with cheating if it works without interfering then I really don't care.   If bogs things down then I hope they remove it.  
 

btw those aren't thoughts on the cities...its the truth :) ask anyone who's played the game already.  The starting zones to lvl 40 zones are still in game...otherwise they'd of said "we're leaving out these Realms" not Cities.

Its funny how people forget the past..Vanguard released with everything yet it was severely incomplete...AoC said they had everything but didn't and still don't and the game is in piss poor shape after dozens of delays.  WAR makse one smart move to eliminate bad / unfinished content so they can finally release and give the players something and people still whine despite the fact it IS a good choice.

Delays don't fix everything AoC's broken & bug issues prove this.    Delaying because 1 or 2 things aren't ready is one thing Delaying because several LARGE things that don't eliminate the entire promised feature of the game is mildly retarded.   We still get AH's, banks, Sieges, Keeps, Lots and lots and lots of zones filled with content, 20 classes, dungeons, PvP, RvR ranks, a career system, tactics system, guild system, etc 

All the promised systems are there...just 4 of the 6 ways to reach some of the system isn't.  We still get to do everything they promised.   I'll still be out on a battlefield bashing heads and busting down keep walls.

Looks like the 'Mines of Moria' will be coming out just in time.