WAR (Warhammer Online)

NDA is nw lifted right?

Yeah,  the thing with WAR is that, with all their great PvP games, it's all for nothing. I mean, ok let's be clearer:

1: they completely cut PvE from RvR. Yeah, you got keeps, and PvP loot and PvP quests but why would you go into the RvR zone? They are empty. Cause you have to walk a great deal just to find yourself in the mudlle of a dead zone with no mobs, no quests, and no purpuse. It's like walking into a BG(scenario). But the thing is that if you wanna fight enem players, it's much easier ti just DO a bg. So when you quest you will NOT be on the same path as enemy players. PvE and RVR are completely cut of from each other. THis is NOT world PvP.

2: the world is cut in 3. You can lvl from 1 to 40 by questing in your race zones. Wich me that the games never realy join with other races. It doesn't feel like one world. It feels like intance races.

3: Tier are cut of from each other. When are are low lvl you obviously can't go into higher lvl zones, but remember how scarry it was to meet a higher lvl raid on your questing town? This is imposible in WAR. Cause as soon as you get to another tier, the previous tiers are cut from you. ou just CANT go  anymore. This feels like instance tier.


4: Lack of content. Many other little things or ideas that contribute ar making this game feels static, redondant and not like a world.

I could live with some flaw, but the fact that there is no world pvp due to the fact that PvE and PvP are separete in this game, it's bid waste of potentiel. And open RvR will in no way make it better.

It's realy like if they got scarred at how ppl would react to a game with PvP on normal servers. The made everthing to make PvP for sissy. But this doesn't work. Useless RvR zones, never meet higher players, the world is then dilute in tree so you get less chances of meeting enemy players.  Don't make a PvP game for sissy , let em play their mindnumbling grind on other games.

We had Age of Bugs, now we got InstanceHammer.

 

Originally posted by malefacus 

We had Age of Bugs, now we got InstanceHammer.

 

Wow, well done!

first off you fail for the instance remark, they are zones not instances, Big difference.

and so far the only complaints i can understand are

1: no mobs in the world PvP zones.  true, but I don't want mobs in my PvP zone.  I hated getting jumped by a mob while fighting another player.

2: no high levels in low level areas.  are you really complaining about that?  I think its great and hope they don't change it.   high lvls killing quest givers in a lowbie area isn't exciting, its annoying.

and there is world PvP.  my group has run into destruction while doing PQs, I've run into solo destruction while just questing about and there was PvP.  its a whole lot better than running into a group of 70s in redridge.

I'm sorry WAR isn't for you, thats a matter of opinion.  I just think what you are basing your opinions on are flawed.

Uh, you can RvR in the normal zones along side the RvR zone, its called flagging yourself. You can be attacked, and attack anyone who is flagged. Some post somewhere said that one server was going to be a pure flagged server. either way yes there is open world pvp. The tiers are very much apart of each other capping tier 1 makes capping tier 2 easier, ect.. http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/home/flash/2008-07_podcast.html
really learn to read.

Originally posted by malefacus

NDA is nw lifted right?

Yeah,  the thing with WAR is that, with all their great PvP games, it's all for nothing. I mean, ok let's be clearer:

 

1: they completely cut PvE from RvR. Yeah, you got keeps, and PvP loot and PvP quests but why would you go into the RvR zone? They are empty. Cause you have to walk a great deal just to find yourself in the mudlle of a dead zone with no mobs, no quests, and no purpuse. It's like walking into a BG(scenario). But the thing is that if you wanna fight enem players, it's much easier ti just DO a bg. So when you quest you will NOT be on the same path as enemy players. PvE and RVR are completely cut of from each other. THis is NOT world PvP.

 

2: the world is cut in 3. You can lvl from 1 to 40 by questing in your race zones. Wich me that the games never realy join with other races. It doesn't feel like one world. It feels like intance races.

 

3: Tier are cut of from each other. When are are low lvl you obviously can't go into higher lvl zones, but remember how scarry it was to meet a higher lvl raid on your questing town? This is imposible in WAR. Cause as soon as you get to another tier, the previous tiers are cut from you. ou just CANT go  anymore. This feels like instance tier.


4: Lack of content. Many other little things or ideas that contribute ar making this game feels static, redondant and not like a world.

 

I could live with some flaw, but the fact that there is no world pvp due to the fact that PvE and PvP are separete in this game, it's bid waste of potentiel. And open RvR will in no way make it better.

 

It's realy like if they got scarred at how ppl would react to a game with PvP on normal servers. The made everthing to make PvP for sissy. But this doesn't work. Useless RvR zones, never meet higher players, the world is then dilute in tree so you get less chances of meeting enemy players.  Don't make a PvP game for sissy , let em play their mindnumbling grind on other games.

 

We had Age of Bugs, now we got InstanceHammer.

 

I disagree. The RvR zones are *far* from empty. It's very easy for races to join up. You very rarely see a group of people that aren't of mixed ethnicity. You can go to any damn tier you want, just not flag yourself for PvP or enter a pvp-only zone. Myth debunked. And I'd say the lack of conent BS is just a matter of personal opinion.

*Edit* And I've got to say I find the game to be a very immersive experience, especially for an MMo, which usually do a horrible job of it. But, we're all entitled to our opinions, aren't we? They're like assholes, everyone has one, and they all stink

Don't worry, your que times in WoW will only go up about 10-30 minutes.  Hang in there!

 to the OP..

Apparently you did not BETA enough and do you even read the BETA forums?

Originally posted by ColdSun

Don't worry, your que times in WoW will only go up about 10-30 minutes.  Hang in there!

That's ok. Mythic as well was at one point looking *very* seriously into cross server instancing. If push comes to shove and the queue times become too long in WAR as well I'm sure they'll have that system ready to be implemented

Originally posted by malefacus

NDA is nw lifted right?

Yeah,  the thing with WAR is that, with all their great PvP games, it's all for nothing. I mean, ok let's be clearer:

 

1: they completely cut PvE from RvR. Yeah, you got keeps, and PvP loot and PvP quests but why would you go into the RvR zone? They are empty. Cause you have to walk a great deal just to find yourself in the mudlle of a dead zone with no mobs, no quests, and no purpuse. It's like walking into a BG(scenario). But the thing is that if you wanna fight enem players, it's much easier ti just DO a bg. So when you quest you will NOT be on the same path as enemy players. PvE and RVR are completely cut of from each other. THis is NOT world PvP.

 

2: the world is cut in 3. You can lvl from 1 to 40 by questing in your race zones. Wich me that the games never realy join with other races. It doesn't feel like one world. It feels like intance races.

 

3: Tier are cut of from each other. When are are low lvl you obviously can't go into higher lvl zones, but remember how scarry it was to meet a higher lvl raid on your questing town? This is imposible in WAR. Cause as soon as you get to another tier, the previous tiers are cut from you. ou just CANT go  anymore. This feels like instance tier.


4: Lack of content. Many other little things or ideas that contribute ar making this game feels static, redondant and not like a world.

 

I could live with some flaw, but the fact that there is no world pvp due to the fact that PvE and PvP are separete in this game, it's bid waste of potentiel. And open RvR will in no way make it better.

 

It's realy like if they got scarred at how ppl would react to a game with PvP on normal servers. The made everthing to make PvP for sissy. But this doesn't work. Useless RvR zones, never meet higher players, the world is then dilute in tree so you get less chances of meeting enemy players.  Don't make a PvP game for sissy , let em play their mindnumbling grind on other games.

 

We had Age of Bugs, now we got InstanceHammer.

 

You're a little off. I know you're exaggerating for effect, but I'll temper your strong opinions a little, if I may.

1. You're right. PvE is seperate from PvP. This is intentional as the 'mainstream' has shown time and time again they don't want full PvP. Your opinion on the matter honestly is a minority, quite a vocal minority, but a minority nonetheless, sadly. That's not to say that you cannot travel to an enemy races PvE area though, because you can, through the RvR areas. There's just no real point unless you're going as a raiding party just to stir things up. Nothing will be gained other than reknown and perhaps a lot of waiting for someone to attack you, as they will not be flagged RvR though you will for 10 minutes after leaving the RvR area.

2. Well, yes. Except that everyone eventually culminates in the Realm's capital city, whether it be Destruction or Order. That might be part of the reason why they cut the other 4 cities. To prevent the population imbalances that would occur and to keep the populations focused on a common objective. You can travel between each race's area and quest in them as you like, participate in their RvR, etc.

3. You can go back and forth in the Tiers as you like regardless of level. You are simply unable to participate in the Tier's RvR if you are too high of a level. You can do the PvE to your heart's content. Your comment of being unable to go back is incorrect.

4. You'll need to clarify your statement here. You seem to be defining lack of content differently than pretty much everyone else. There is plenty of content within the game, but I think you are trying to say that you don't feel like you are making an impact in the world. Perhaps, but there are very few games out there that let you, especially on a wide scale. It's simply impractical.

It's simply a matter of opinion on what makes a good game. For you, you want open, full PvP. The problem is that the market won't support such a game at the level that these guys want. So they went more mainstream, which turns off the minority, but I think that it will draw some WoW players a