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Shayde  7/06/06 12:30:55 PM

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Originally posted by Nimuel

Originally posted by Shayde
There's few sci-fi games because there's too many lazy companies who think THEIR elves will be kewler than the other guys elves. Just look at Dark & Light, or Vanguard. They're bringing nothing new to the table... hell Warhammer is only special because it IS Warhammer. If Mythic was making ANY other fantasy game nobody would care. Exhibit A: D&D Online.

Give me a good sci-fi MMO and you'll never see me playing another game. SWG used to have me until they screwed that up... I'd pre-order a 40K mmo right now.

If D&D online had been based on the Forgotten Realms universe it would most likely have been ALOT more successfull, people are just no into that Eberron crap that's pretty much just stiched together from bits and pieces from other Fantasy worlds...

I guess they're thinking something along the lines of 'take the best of everything and put it together'.. problem is no matter how good those pieces are in their original environment, you're still creating 'frankenstein'.

We seem to have a built in biological dislike of things we can place as a cloned from somewhere else, in other words we seem to instinctively appreciate originality.

Nayh.. you had to actually play that to get the "Wrong Realm" idea, and that also took into account that you actually played D&D in that realm.

No.. Turbine just took a license that should have been MMO gold and made a piss-poor game with it. Almost as bad as $OE taking Star Wars and killing it.

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Kunou  7/06/06 12:50:50 PM

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Originally posted by Shayde
There's few sci-fi games because there's too many lazy companies who think THEIR elves will be kewler than the other guys elves. Just look at Dark & Light, or Vanguard. They're bringing nothing new to the table... hell Warhammer is only special because it IS Warhammer. If Mythic was making ANY other fantasy game nobody would care. Exhibit A: D&D Online.

Give me a good sci-fi MMO and you'll never see me playing another game. SWG used to have me until they screwed that up... I'd pre-order a 40K mmo right now.

Polls like the one here at MMORPG.com might have something to do with the ratio of Fantasy to Sci-Fi games as well:
















Western High Fantasy
8.4%
Mech / Robot
4.5%
Eastern High Fantasy
3.8%
Manga / Anime Fantasy
9.0%
Medieval Fantasy
42.8%
Sci-Fi
18.5%
Space based
4.6%
Super Hero
2.6%
Real World War
3.6%
Real Life
2.1%
Over 14k total votes, Fantasy EASILY the most popular theme. I'm not saying that had anything to do with the Warhammer Online Fantasy vs 40k Decision, just in general.

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Nimuel  7/06/06 12:57:47 PM

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Originally posted by Shayde
If D&D online had been based on the Forgotten Realms universe it would most likely have been ALOT more successfull, people are just no into that Eberron crap that's pretty much just stiched together from bits and pieces from other Fantasy worlds...

I guess they're thinking something along the lines of 'take the best of everything and put it together'.. problem is no matter how good those pieces are in their original environment, you're still creating 'frankenstein'.

We seem to have a built in biological dislike of things we can place as a cloned from somewhere else, in other words we seem to instinctively appreciate originality.

Nayh.. you had to actually play that to get the "Wrong Realm" idea, and that also took into account that you actually played D&D in that realm.

No.. Turbine just took a license that should have been MMO gold and made a piss-poor game with it. Almost as bad as $OE taking Star Wars and killing it.

You're just looking at it from a different perspective... You're right ofcourse that the D&D name alone is worth gold, but...

Personally i know i made the choice to ignore it completly cause of the 'wrong realm', in fact, i dont know anyone at all that plays D&D:online. I know alot of people who are D&D fans and also play MMO's, after it was clear that this was not Forgotten Realms nobody seemed to even be interested anymore...

And if anyone of them was, the crap you describe they made out of it exactly wouldn't make things better...

(I know one guy who tried it out, he didnt like it, but he didnt know anything about D&D anyway :P ...)



If you ask me, D&D is making a huge mistake by slowly killing off the old established Realms for the sake of one that's just a blend of the others...

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Nimuel  7/06/06 1:02:46 PM

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Originally posted by Richard_Mythic

Originally posted by Shayde
There's few sci-fi games because there's too many lazy companies who think THEIR elves will be kewler than the other guys elves. Just look at Dark & Light, or Vanguard. They're bringing nothing new to the table... hell Warhammer is only special because it IS Warhammer. If Mythic was making ANY other fantasy game nobody would care. Exhibit A: D&D Online.

Give me a good sci-fi MMO and you'll never see me playing another game. SWG used to have me until they screwed that up... I'd pre-order a 40K mmo right now.

Polls like the one here at MMORPG.com might have something to do with the ratio of Fantasy to Sci-Fi games as well:
















Western High Fantasy
8.4%
Mech / Robot
4.5%
Eastern High Fantasy
3.8%
Manga / Anime Fantasy
9.0%
Medieval Fantasy
42.8%
Sci-Fi
18.5%
Space based
4.6%
Super Hero
2.6%
Real World War
3.6%
Real Life
2.1%
Over 14k total votes, Fantasy EASILY the most popular theme. I'm not saying that had anything to do with the Warhammer Online Fantasy vs 40k Decision, just in general.

Yes, but Polls arent really all that reliable ;) Most people dont really know what they might like or might not like, they just go with what they feel most secure with...

What those polls tell me is rather that fantasy games are more likely to be sheit because companies are more likely to do a poor job on a fantasy game cause fantasy is what's most people hypotheticly feel secure with. :P

"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration - courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the truth." - Henry Mencken

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg

"And what would you do with a brain if you had one?" - Wizard of Oz

Shayde  7/06/06 1:22:31 PM

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Originally posted by Richard_Mythic

Originally posted by Shayde
There's few sci-fi games because there's too many lazy companies who think THEIR elves will be kewler than the other guys elves. Just look at Dark & Light, or Vanguard. They're bringing nothing new to the table... hell Warhammer is only special because it IS Warhammer. If Mythic was making ANY other fantasy game nobody would care. Exhibit A: D&D Online.

Give me a good sci-fi MMO and you'll never see me playing another game. SWG used to have me until they screwed that up... I'd pre-order a 40K mmo right now.

Polls like the one here at MMORPG.com might have something to do with the ratio of Fantasy to Sci-Fi games as well:
















Western High Fantasy
8.4%
Mech / Robot
4.5%
Eastern High Fantasy
3.8%
Manga / Anime Fantasy
9.0%
Medieval Fantasy
42.8%