Vanguard: Saga of Heroes

I find it ironic that this games downfall will be its community.  I beta tested this game for a long time,  and actually ran the game quite well with my "gaming" laptop.  Lag and performance was never much of an issue for me.  The gameplay itself was ok.  I was just not impressed and looking for the dev team to stick to their "vision".  It was my own fault for following the game to closely and going to both Fanguards (Vegas and San Diego).

I just believe that all the negative posters and the responding vanbois will ruin the game.  I personally have had strong views against the game mechanics since August , and was constantly told to go back to WoW.  That seems to be the only comeback from the supporters.  Funny thing is I don't like WoW too much.

I now think it is a good thing that Sigil is closing their official forums.  They would have turned out worse than WoW's. 

I made some negative posts and comments about the game but I will no longer continue to do so, as I actually respect Sigil and hope the game improves over the next few months.  If AoC, LOTRO, and Warhammer don't pan out, I may be back. 

I just hope the communtiy improves. 

I noticed a huge problem tonight in the game already.  Phat Loot whorism on QUEST mobs..

Sad really..

I think Khaunshar makes a good point. For all that any Vanguard critic is labelled a hater and flamed with cries of "go back to WoW" and "buy a decent computer" - it is aggression born of fear.

The fact is this game isn't finished and almost certainly won't be by release  - and that's going to hurt sales. Fewer players means smaller community and less profit for Sigil.

But I think the fear is unfounded. I mean if total lemons like Horizons and DnL can manage to stay afloat, Vanguard should at the very least keep running, even if it doesn't become a huge success. So my advice is to chill.

I would actually think scaring off people now is doing Sigil a favour. Let the fanbois enjoy the paid beta and don't try to attract others til later. I was there at EQ2's launch and I was very unimpressed with all the bugs and gameplay problems. So when WoW came out and I played it and found it be a finished product - my choice was easy. And I never went back to EQ2. But if I hadn't tried it at launch I might have tried it later, after they'd sorted out all their problems and played for a while.

No offline game developer would try to release an unfinished game and say "Go ahead and start playing - we'll patch for the next six months to fix the problems" and it's insulting to expect mmo players to be happy about it.

But I don't think the Vanguard community is really that awful. I know the kind of people you're talking about and they're certainly playing Vanguard. But I seriously think they're an unrepresentative minority.

Don't get me wrong - those knobs are definitely not doing Vanguard any favours.

But I suspect that not only are they a minority, but most of them will end up:

• gimped guildless solo'ers - antisocial tendencies always come out and are never appreciated in guilds, especially in such a group-oriented game;
• running around on the pvp server as twinked out level 6 characters crying "I'll pwn you wow luvin noobs" attacking every new player as they enter the game;
• and probably bald, dateless and overly familiar with women of the plastic persuasion.

There are many criticisms that I think could be fairly made of this game - and among those I would count the presence of this sort of player. But if you look at the gameplay style the Sigil developers are aiming for it's all about co-operation. These twats will be marginalised by the real Vanguard community.