General Discussion

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Originally posted by DeaconX

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Originally posted by Coldmeat

I have to ask.
Why is everyone hung up on KotOR? What makes anyone think that the aspects of the game that made it a great/fun/duck single player game would translate well, if at all, to an MMO format?
Or is it some naive belief that, despite a decade of evidence to the contrary, Bioware will suddenly be the devs that magically do everything right?

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M'kay where to start...
People are hung up on KOTOR because the first game by BioWare (second one is not BioWare, but Obsidian Entertainment) is possibly the best Star Wars story ever written having sold I think over 3 million copies and was praised by pretty much everyone.
Why would it translate well to MMO? Because KOTOR is not a game or a story, it is an ERA. A time period in the Star Wars universe. 'Knights of the Old Republic' is a HUGE and largely unexplored area in Star Wars lore/history allowing developers a LOT more freedom of creativity than SWG did which was set in a 'set in stone/this already happened' period where the end result was known to everyone. During the KOTOR timeline, there is literally a universe of troubles, adventures and options.
And I have no bloody clue what you mean by "some naive belief that, despite a decade of evidence to the contrary, Bioware will suddenly be the devs that magically do everything right?" because BioWare are most possibly THE finest RPG Developers in the industry... worth almost a Billion dollars it would seem.
Hope that helped.

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Yeah, what he said. We believe in Bioware mainly due to what they have put out so far...gold. I echo the thought that if anyone knows how to put together a world it's Bioware. It's plain faith in their reliability .

I'm totally banking that it won't be an existing IP, but will be one of a new brand. They could do a Sci-Fi/ Fantasy MMO. Magic vs Machine. But not be of the star-wars universe. Been there, done that.

Well, we won't know till they release some info. Till then we shouldn't torture ourselves with speculation.

It won't be Forgotten Realms, or any of the other old D&D campaign settings, as WotC have a hardon for their new setting that they forced on DDO. Plus, I don't see them allowing competing D&D MMOs.

Same thing goes for Star Wars. Also in response to the Bioware bumpfuzzle festival: Lucas Arts. Say it in the dark five times, and you'll get hit in the head with a crappy game.

I doubt it's Mass Effect, as tieing your MMO to an unproven IP from an unreleased game would be the acme of foolishness. Being that we're talking about an MMO development, though, that also makes it the most likely...

Could be the Fallout MMO, I suppose.

Who knows, it could be some Barbie Dressup gamespace weirdness like Raph is saying is the future...

Originally posted by Coldmeat

 

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Originally posted by DeaconX

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Originally posted by Coldmeat

 

I have to ask.
Why is everyone hung up on KotOR? What makes anyone think that the aspects of the game that made it a great/fun/duck single player game would translate well, if at all, to an MMO format?
Or is it some naive belief that, despite a decade of evidence to the contrary, Bioware will suddenly be the devs that magically do everything right?
 

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M'kay where to start...
People are hung up on KOTOR because the first game by BioWare (second one is not BioWare, but Obsidian Entertainment) is possibly the best Star Wars story ever written having sold I think over 3 million copies and was praised by pretty much everyone.
Why would it translate well to MMO? Because KOTOR is not a game or a story, it is an ERA.  A time period in the Star Wars universe. 'Knights of the Old Republic' is a HUGE and largely unexplored area in Star Wars lore/history allowing developers a LOT more freedom of creativity than SWG did which was set in a 'set in stone/this already happened' period where the end result was known to everyone.  During the KOTOR timeline, there is literally a universe of troubles, adventures and options.
And I have no bloody clue what you mean by "some naive belief that, despite a decade of evidence to the contrary, Bioware will suddenly be the devs that magically do everything right?" because BioWare are most possibly THE finest RPG Developers in the industry... worth almost a Billion dollars it would seem.
Hope that helped.

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As for naivity, you illustrate my point perfectly. Just because Bioware made a couple of solid single player RPGs doesn't mean that they will be able to make a good MMO. Yet people seem to insist that because it's Bioware, the game will not suffer from all the other myriad problems all the other MMOs before it suffered. And all the technical limitations as well.

I think Blizzard has shown that non-MMO developers are capable of completely dominating the market from companies that are supposed to be all about MMOs (SOE, Turbine, Mythic, etc.)

Basically...you could replace Bioware with Blizzard in your paragraph and it would show you how ridiculous your sentiments are.

Of course...that all ignores the potential for EA to royally screw up Bioware's level of quality, but we'll just hope that doesn't happen.

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Of course...that all ignores the potential for EA to royally screw up Bioware's level of quality, but we'll just hope that doesn't happen.

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Let's just pray that they won't meddle. Luckily there is evidence that they may have actually learned a thing or two; when EA bought out Mythic they actually gave them additional TIME and MONEY to make the game better.

This also kind of gives a bit of support to the KOTOR theory. Why would EA buy a company out for almost a billion dollars if they were making another fantasy based MMO to compete with their own fantasy based MMO?

If KOTOR a huge ass RPG universe cant turn into an MMO then how did blizzard make the most popular mmo in history from a Real-Time Strategy game.

this was on a different thread but thought it would be more useful here about kotor mmo.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/49557

Originally posted by sfcore

 

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Of course...that all ignores the potential for EA to royally screw up Bioware's level of quality, but we'll just hope that doesn't happen.

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Let's just pray that they won't meddle. Luckily there is evidence that they may have actually learned a thing or two; when EA bought out Mythic they actually gave them additional TIME and MONEY to make the game better.

This also kind of gives a bit of support to the KOTOR theory. Why would EA buy a company out for almost a billion dollars if they were making another fantasy based MMO to compete with their own fantasy based MMO?

true, it realy seems like every evidence we find majority of them lead to a kotor mmo.

Originally posted by Coldmeat

It won't be Forgotten Realms, or any of the other old D&D campaign settings, as WotC have a hardon for their new setting that they forced on DDO. Plus, I don't see them allowing competing D&D MMOs.

Same thing goes for Star Wars. Also in response to the Bioware bumpfuzzle festival: Lucas Arts. Say it in the dark five times, and you'll get hit in the head with a crappy game.

I doubt it's Mass Effect, as tieing your MMO to an unproven IP from an unreleased game would be the acme of foolishness. Being that we're talking about an MMO development, though, that also makes it the most likely...

Could be the Fallout MMO, I suppose.

Who knows, it could be some Barbie Dressup gamespace weirdness like Raph is saying is the future...

Actually, Turbine has only licensed Eberron and Forgotten Realms is the official campaign for DnD 4.0 (just like Eberron was the official campaign for DnD 3.5 and Greyhawk was for 3.0).  Eberrron was an attempt at WotC to make more money as everyone was simply self-converting all their old FR material.  It failed and they are now admitting it by going back to FR.

As for SW, LA controls the license and retains an enormously tight iron grip on it.  I am certain they only licensed the Galactic Civil War period for an MMO to SOE.

Regarding your comments on Mass Effect, they make no sense.  At the time the MMO was announced Bioware was indenpendent and why not make their IP into an MMO.  They could tell the ground swell of excitement that has been building so it would be a safe bet for them.

Not going to be Fallout as Bethesda now owns those rights.

Barbie Dressup could be the dark horse here, that must be it!

As for the sum of all your posts in this thread it seems more like you are trying to either stir controversy or discussion.  My guess is you're just trolling.