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Originally posted by Novaseeker

 

Originally posted by Kyleran

Sure, they may not have completed "all' of the content, but who ever said everyone was entitled to?

 

So, it's okay if content is included that takes an unhealthy lifestyle to complete, then, because at least they give you the choice of whether to pursue that unhealthy way of playing?

Name ONE game, or even a feature of one game that does this.  (you can post them with the medical studies regarding MMORPG, addiction, and how it affects the brain like alcohol you claim exist).

Originally posted by Vincenz

 

Originally posted by Novaseeker

Again, everyone is a libertarian on the internet, but the stark reality is that if the MMO industry continues to grow and peek itself into more and more households, and the number of addicted husbands and wives, parents and so forth grows, it will become a social issue with greater attention, and there will be pressure to do something about it.  We'll have to see what form that takes, but if the industry continues to grow, it will come.

 

hmmm...back I see...no medical studies, eh?  Kinda figured.

Kinda figured you'd come in with another troll post, Vincenz, it seems to be your prime speciality in virtually every board of this site.

In any case, I am well aware of the position you cited.  It changes nothing.  People are addicted to gambling as well, and although this is not considered a "physical" addiction in the narrow sense a medical practitioner would use (you are not ingesting a substance, after all), it is still an addiction in th mental sense.  But I don't expect you'll agree -- after all it's cool to be a cyberlibertarian and a troll at the same time, isn't it?

Originally posted by elvenangel

Parents are supposed to raise their children, protect them from harm, and teach them responsiblity.   When the child messes up the Parent being the 'responsible' party is supposed to catch said inappropriate behavior and teach the child WHY its wrong or WHY they shouldn't do that or to be responsble for their action.  

When a kid gets hurt the parent is supposed to take care of them help them recover.  Its sad today parents would rather point the finger and spend the entire time in court when their child needs them.  

If you've told your kid to learn how to ride a bike on their own and they fall and break their arm.  Guess what its your fault not the maker of the bike.   Leave your kid in the kitchen with boiling water and he knocks it over?  Guess what its your fault too not the pot maker, oven maker or the water company.

Catch your child stealing? Send them back to the store and infront of everyone make them appologize and pay for the item.   But you'd probably just shrug and wait for the Kid to get caught and arrested then blame the store for having prices that are too high or carrying things their child isn't old enough to buy on their own. 

No kid comes out perfect even if a parent does do all of those things sometimes the influence of a child's friend is far greater than a parent ever will be.  Kids like this are often have severly over bearing parents or just very little willpower to stand up for themselves and say NO.  It happesn everyday.  Sometimes its the kid's fault and alot of the times its the parents fault. 

Parents need to take responsibility and teach their kids how to make good decisions & how to stay away from bad friends or atleast how to stand up from them.  Adults need to take responsiblity for the OWN actions.  If your an adult and don't want to be responsible for yourself perhaps you should just check yourself into a mental institution and have yourself declared an invalid so someone else takes care of you since your obviously unable to do so yourself.  

The whole product of society is a load of dung as proven by the people who come from bad places and do great things and those that come from good places and do BAD things.

I feel sorry for any kid born into a family where the parents obviously unable to be responsible for their own actions and unwilling to teach the child to be responsible.   Its Kids like that should be removed from their incapable parent's home and placed with people obviously able willing and wanting to love and care for the kid.   

That being said, elvenangel is 100% right. To argue against his/her points is to argue against common sense, and this is a losing battle.

THE POINT THE OP IS TRYING TO MAKE has nothing to do about any of this. Ya'll see "social responsibility" and assume it's about something it is not.

All the OP is trying to say is that:

Do the game systems require you to play for a certain period of time per session?

Can you hop into a 25-40 person raid and only play for 30 minutes? Obviously it's possible, but will you accomplish the objective of that raid? No. You HAVE to spend a certain amount of time in order to complete the objectives of the raid, and because of how the system is set up with respawans, you HAVE to play for a certain length per play session in order to make progress and "save" that progress.

Originally posted by Vincenz

 

Originally posted by Novaseeker

 

Originally posted by Kyleran

Sure, they may not have completed "all' of the content, but who ever said everyone was entitled to?

 

So, it's okay if content is included that takes an unhealthy lifestyle to complete, then, because at least they give you the choice of whether to pursue that unhealthy way of playing?

 

Name ONE game, or even a feature of one game that does this.  (you can post them with the medical studies regarding MMORPG, addiction, and how it affects the brain like alcohol you claim exist).

Wait Vincez is he saying it affects your brain like booze?! Holy crapsnacks...well I guess my life as an Engineer is over.  I don't drink or do drugs but I do game..*cries a little* my life is over my brain cells are evaporating as if i was drinking....

*snaps into reality* Oh wait...never mind I'm still an Engineer...my problem solving skills are better than ever and last I checked I'm in realitivly good health oh and all my brain cells are there.   

Fact is, people have different mental capacities and ability to make decisions that are in their best interests.  It's clean and easy to say that every person is equal, has responsibility for themselves, and only make bad choices out of carelessness or recklessness.  What about stupidity (or if we want to be more politically correct, a lesser ability to examine consequences of actions)? As a society, do we want to look out for people who don't do a good job of looking out for themselves?  Often, healthy, reasonably smart people say "yea, every man for himself" because it removes his responsibility to invest energy in caring for others (who should be able to care for themselves, right?)  But what about the ones who are below average and fall through the cracks?  Tough luck?  If you are thinking every man for himself is a good idea, what happens when you get a head injury and suddenly land in the below average intellect group?  Should we look out for you or let you go live under a bridge?  Just thoughts. 

Originally posted by Vincenz

 

Originally posted by Novaseeker

 

Originally posted by Kyleran

Sure, they may not have completed "all' of the content, but who ever said everyone was entitled to?

 

So, it's okay if content is included that takes an unhealthy lifestyle to complete, then, because at least they give you the choice of whether to pursue that unhealthy way of playing?

 

Name ONE game, or even a feature of one game that does this.  (you can post them with the medical studies regarding MMORPG, addiction, and how it affects the brain like alcohol you claim exist).

Kinda figured.  Troll some more, Vincenz.

Pointing fingers at others is not new.

In 70's you had hardrock bands like black sabbat or alice cooper and parenst where pointing at them even at records from pink floyd thats there bad influence and scretly hidden massage of the devil in them hahaha.

This always been and always shall be DOOM thinkers saying others are evil and where not:P

Its all a joke and they dont get it, your kids are doomed its there fault mom and dad:P

 

Kinda figured you'd come in with another troll post, Vincenz, it seems to be your prime speciality in virtually every board of this site.

In any case, I am well aware of the position you cited.  It changes nothing.  People are addicted to gambling as well, and although this is not considered a "physical" addiction in the narrow sense a medical practitioner would use (you are not ingesting a substance, after all), it is still an addiction in th mental sense.  But I don't expect you'll agree -- after all it's cool to be a cyberlibertarian and a troll at the same time, isn't it?

LOL!  just so I'm clear...you post THIS tedious crap, trying to sound like an authority on the risks of the game:

"MMOs stimulate the same area of the brain (overstimulate it, actually) in more or less the same way as opiates and alcohol do, and are addictive in the same way for the same type of addiction-prone brain.  It's more or less the same thing.  People talk about "physically addicting" -- but in reality the physicality of addiction relates to the limbic brain, and the neurotransmitters and related receptors there.  MMOs impact the same brain areas in addiction-prone brains, and this is the core of any addiction."

And when I state that the AMA, in fact, just as of June ruled that video games are NOT addictive, and requested you to post some studies backing them up...I'm trolling???

Good luck with that premise

I see, and now it's trolling more to ask you to back up this statement, with even a SINGLE example???

"So, it's okay if content is included that takes an unhealthy lifestyle to complete, then, because at least they give you the choice of whether to pursue that unhealthy way of playing?"

Got it...Novaseekerr Method of Argument:

Outlandish Unsupported Premise, stated in a confident factual manner followed by accusations of trolling if asked for proof of any kind to back them up.

check.

OH...as far as what you're "aware" of...the AMA does recognize gambling addiction...just not video game addiction.  BZZZZZZZZZ.