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Even still my point is, they do not need anyone's permission to change anything in a game they own as property.

I would never allow you to come to my house and tell me how to landscape my yard.

Same thing applies here. They own it, we do not. They can do what they want, you either play in it, or get out.

Think of it like a HUGE sandbox.

SOE built a huge sandbox, with sand cities, and sand people, with cute little sand rifles....

They invited everyone to play in their sandbox, and in the beginning everyone had fun in the sand....

One day it rained, and the water changed the way the sand cities looked, and the people didn't move as well because sand gets hard when it is wet, and the guns didn't quite work as well as they use to.

So a lot of people didn't want to play in SOE's sandbox anymore and left.

The other's stayed and tried to make due with the wet sand.

Many years after the rain, the kids that left the sandbox, still hold a grudge against SOE because of the rain. SOE didn't care however and just kept making mud pies.

When you think of it like this, it all seems really silly, which is exactly how it is. SILLY

It's SOE's sandbox, you can either play in it, with all the rain and mud, or get out. Just walk away from the sandbox, don't look back, just keep walking.

It is very simple, tho people seem to want to make it so so so very hard.

Originally posted by Suvroc

 

Originally posted by Zorvan

 

I would too. So they could find themselves laughed out of court by SOEs' lawyers, and the issue would be closed.

 

 

You're assuming there hasn't been out any of court settlements.

Let's face it if someone did file a complaint about SoE and in return SoE offered cash instead of going to court I'd bet that nearly 100% of people would take the quick cash.

That's true, except a lawsuit like that would have made it to the press or the game community before it was dreopped into settlement.

Originally posted by neonaka

It's SOE's sandbox, you can either play in it, with all the rain and mud, or get out. Just walk away from the sandbox, don't look back, just keep walking.

Most excellent dumbed down descriptive of the whole thing.  As for the swg vets who keep crying about the game that was and how SoE (or rather LA) managed it.. fine, if you don't like how they handle it's mmos... go ahead and make your own, and handle it how ever you want.  What, no one is stopping you.

And in 60 years, when some of you are old and grey, you will be posting in the virtual blogsphere full 3d environment that the internet will become, and whine about how soe broke your game when you were young, and everyone will ignore the bitter old avatar posters.

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by Suvroc

 

Originally posted by Zorvan

 

I would too. So they could find themselves laughed out of court by SOEs' lawyers, and the issue would be closed.

 

 

You're assuming there hasn't been out any of court settlements.

Let's face it if someone did file a complaint about SoE and in return SoE offered cash instead of going to court I'd bet that nearly 100% of people would take the quick cash.

That's true, except a lawsuit like that would have made it to the press or the game community before it was dreopped into settlement.

I was going to say the same thing, If anyone honestly believes as big as this whole SWG thing is with people, that SOE/LA could keep a settlement secret from the press and it wouldn't be blasted all over the internet and news before the ink on the check was dry... has some screws loose.

Originally posted by neonaka

 

 

I was going to say the same thing, If anyone honestly believes as big as this whole SWG thing is with people, that SOE/LA could keep a settlement secret from the press and it wouldn't be blasted all over the internet and news before the ink on the check was dry... has some screws loose.

I doubt SoE (or rather LA) would settle if someone were to try to sue them due to their game changing.  The game clearly states "online play may change" all over the place, and the eula of course has provisions for that.  Why would soe settle out to someone for any reason?  Its well within its rights to do whatever it wishes within the game. 

But I am sure it makes you all feel better to lash out.  Most do at some point or other.. although usually at a very early stage in life.

Now perhaps if the swgvet crowd didnt act the way it does (generally, not anyone specifically), perhaps the rest of the gamer world would take them seriously, including say.. the developers of mmos. After all.. why would they develop a game for people like that, when there is a much stabler, kinder market in crapfeast mmos?

Originally posted by randomt

 

Originally posted by neonaka

 

 

I was going to say the same thing, If anyone honestly believes as big as this whole SWG thing is with people, that SOE/LA could keep a settlement secret from the press and it wouldn't be blasted all over the internet and news before the ink on the check was dry... has some screws loose.

 

 

I doubt SoE (or rather LA) would settle if someone were to try to sue them due to their game changing.  The game clearly states "online play may change" all over the place, and the eula of course has provisions for that.  Why would soe settle out to someone for any reason?  Its well within its rights to do whatever it wishes within the game. 

But I am sure it makes you all feel better to lash out.  Most do at some point or other.. although usually at a very early stage in life.

LOL Wait what!?

Pssst. Quick forum tip... Start at page 1 move ............ to last post... read everything in between. Then read your post, and you will understand, why I have no idea what the hell your talking about????

I am not lashing out at anything, Zorvan said that no one has settled with SOE/LA and if they had we would have heard about it, in response to something someone else stated.

I simply agreed that if this ever did happen.... we would have heard of it, as I also know, it will never happen.

Originally posted by neonaka

 

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by Suvroc

 

Originally posted by Zorvan

 

I would too. So they could find themselves laughed out of court by SOEs' lawyers, and the issue would be closed.

 

 

You're assuming there hasn't been out any of court settlements.

Let's face it if someone did file a complaint about SoE and in return SoE offered cash instead of going to court I'd bet that nearly 100% of people would take the quick cash.

That's true, except a lawsuit like that would have made it to the press or the game community before it was dreopped into settlement.

 

I was going to say the same thing, If anyone honestly believes as big as this whole SWG thing is with people, that SOE/LA could keep a settlement secret from the press and it wouldn't be blasted all over the internet and news before the ink on the check was dry... has some screws loose.

I don't know. Would a news site care about a $5000 settlement?

Or perhaps the persons involved would be unable to discuss the case as part of the settlement. I'd think that settlements like these would be to keep people quiet so others do not do the same.

Bro no offense, but in today's age, people can't fart and not be noticed.

We can't turn on the t.v with out having to watch a blonde psycho shave her head, or another blonde bang some dude out in a hotel room.

No way in the world, 2 powerhouse companies SOE and Lucas Arts, make a under the table $5000.00 settlement and someone not spill the beans.

The lawyer, the clerk of court who stamps the ruling, the many people handling the sheet of paper. The little old lady that sits across from the courthouse everyday feeding the birds so she has to juicy gossip everyday.

Someone.... somewhere.... Always talks.

It's the number reason the mob retains a hitman at all times.

No one in the year 2008 knows how to spell quiet or secret, much less do it.

If there was even a hint of a SOE/LA lawyer walking toward a courtroom, Every News van, game mag, newspaper, and website owner would be blasting that shit full stream before he hit the first step.

Originally posted by randomt

I doubt SoE (or rather LA) would settle if someone were to try to sue them due to their game changing.  The game clearly states "online play may change" all over the place, and the eula of course has provisions for that.  Why would soe settle out to someone for any reason?  Its well within its rights to do whatever it wishes within the game. 

But I am sure it makes you all feel better to lash out.  Most do at some point or other.. although usually at a very early stage in life.

Now perhaps if the swgvet crowd didnt act the way it does (generally, not anyone specifically), perhaps the rest of the gamer world would take them seriously, including say.. the developers of mmos. After all.. why would they develop a game for people like that, when there is a much stabler, kinder market in crapfeast mmos?

 

Who let Dr. Phil in here?

Seriously, there has been many a game dev that has openly said that they didn't want to follow in the footsteps of SWG. Kinda makes you wonder how they know about that. Surely, it was SOE out there admitting their mistake and making ammends with the community at large that clued them in. Hmm, nope. I believe it was the audience that they shafted and tried to silence both on their boards and elsewhere. Yes, in many ways it gets old but so does the sign at the beginning of the road that says Dead End. Locals know about it and some jokes about it but again it serves as a reminder that the path leads nowhere both for people who know and those who are new.

As for the gamingi industry's opinion on  the Vet community, they seriously are not interested in whether or not their target audience is stable or "kinder". The majority of them as of late all are aiming for the WoW market - trying to whittle away at its numbers and dethrone the numbers king. I see nowhere on any game forum a poll or questionaire that asks - "ARE YOU A DISGRUNTLED SWG VET?"

In the end, they see us as mmorpg players - much like bags of sand that they need to buy. They want a ton of us and could care less where we played last. As for our idea, in the last few months alone, I have read articles about upcoming that pretty much state that they will design it their way and then let the community provide feedback. Didn't see an swg qualifier in the StarGate Worlds Q&A.

Now back to the OP - the problem with EULA's is that the common player doesn't have the money or the time to challenge a corporation in court. Even if your point is 100% valid - companies can tie you up in legal red tape for years and you either settle or go away. That is the American court system as a whole. Only a few absolutely determined souls ever make it through the fire to win the day in court against a corp. In all honesty, we may never know if SOE could be held accountable for their transgressions as online property and rights are