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jiveturkey12  5/13/08 12:00:24 AM

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When there is no armor rating on items? With No 110 armor for a chest peice, no +5 helm with 48 armor, and defense?

 

When in the PvP weekend i went without armor, and kicked ass against many opponents one on one?

 

How today i was level 12 took off all my armor and fought off a mob? They wernt easy mobs either, the armor just really doesnt add that much!

 

So seriously how can anyone say its gear based?

 

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vajuras  5/13/08 12:05:43 AM

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this is interesting if true im not sure myself. Is it like this at late game as well? I know they did say this game would not be too loot based

 
jiveturkey12  5/13/08 12:08:33 AM

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Originally posted by vajuras

this is interesting if true im not sure myself. Is it like this at late game as well? I know they did say this game would not be too loot based

I didnt believe it until i played the open beta and it was still the same as the pvp weekend.

 

I thought maybe they just got rid of the armor rating for the pvp but no its in the finished game too.

 

There is no armor rating, and as i said i went straight into PvP with only my loin cloth on and i kicked ass, i was a 20 barbarian, and i know for a fact i killed 10 people while without armor in that play period.

 

Aftert that i put my armor back on cause it looked cool but i still killed alot of people.

 

-Jive

 
Zippy  5/13/08 12:12:37 AM

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If they ever drop the NDA you all might learn some very suprising information about itemization or the complete lack of itemization in AoC.

 
jiveturkey12  5/13/08 12:15:32 AM

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Originally posted by Zippy

If they ever drop the NDA you all might learn some very suprising information about itemization or the complete lack of itemization in AoC.

I really dont see what that means in context to this conversation?

 

-Jive

 
Lokero  5/13/08 12:20:21 AM

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Originally posted by jiveturkey12

 

Originally posted by Zippy

If they ever drop the NDA you all might learn some very suprising information about itemization or the complete lack of itemization in AoC.

 

I really dont see what that means in context to this conversation?

 

-Jive

It means itemization in the game is lacking so there isn't a whole lot of gear, in which case it can't be all that gear-based

 
jiveturkey12  5/13/08 12:21:48 AM

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Originally posted by Lokero
Originally posted by jiveturkey12

 

Originally posted by Zippy

If they ever drop the NDA you all might learn some very suprising information about itemization or the complete lack of itemization in AoC.

 

I really dont see what that means in context to this conversation?

 

-Jive

It means itemization in the game is lacking so there isn't a whole lot of gear, in which case it can't be all that gear-based


So basically its saying im right, but still trying to bring the game down.

 

-Jive

 
Huzz  5/13/08 12:27:51 AM

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in the open beta me and a group of friends went into a lvl 31 dungeon when we were lvl 20. was fun killing stuff. but i noticed it was very small. and alot of dead ends with no bosses. also no loot :D. also mobs seem to not follow you for very long. they would drop aggro after about 30 meters.

 

but it seems that with, i think they said, 8 end game raid dungeons in a tier format. it would be hard to not have items in those dungeons. so i'm sure that they have loot for dungeons, but just not implemented.

 
Meatimus  5/13/08 12:41:44 AM

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gear discussion hmmm

 

I find this too hard to believe. Armor for example has to play a role in mitigation.... otherwise there would be no benefit bewteen cloth,light,medium,heavy armors etc.

If there are no stats bonuses on armor and weapons, then as said earlier...it wouldn't matter if one was naked or in full lvl 80 crafted armor... with the exception of a shield of coarse, which u can actually block with : D

This doesn't seem right to me... especially since I heard something in a pvp video about earnign special rewards through pvp with benefits... implying good pvp stats/bonuses.

Even staying as realistic as possible, some sort of armr rating, even with stat bonuses has to exist. Hitting a man in the chest with no armor inflicted the same damage as a person with heavy armor, that would be, well lame as hell. Armor rating in terms of physical mitigation is essential, although item bonuses being non-existant would be a breathe of fresh air.

only reason for ever upgrading gear would be for looks, i still don't believe it though : D

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Huzz  5/13/08 12:47:55 AM

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in open beta they did it with defensive proficiency and defensive rating. i believe with some other bonuses. in a radio interview they said you would get more from feats then you do from gear. still not sure how much gear will play into effect at end game. but with the best items coming from vendors in closed it seems like we won't know till release.

 
Lokero  5/13/08 12:59:30 AM

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Originally posted by Meatimus

gear discussion hmmm

 

I find this too hard to believe. Armor for example has to play a role in mitigation.... otherwise there would be no benefit bewteen cloth,light,medium,heavy armors etc.

If there are no stats bonuses on armor and weapons, then as said earlier...it wouldn't matter if one was naked or in full lvl 80 crafted armor... with the exception of a shield of coarse, which u can actually block with : D

Well, I don't know anything about the higher end and such, but like Huzz mentioned, in the OB, etc., gear had stat ratings +0.3% Fire invulnerability, +1.5 defense rating - things like that.

I think what he was referring to in the OP is that armor may not have an actual armor class/armor point value assigned to it - i.e. a 500 armor breastplate with 25 strength, etc., instead you'd have a defense rating and strength, or something of that nature.

Gear of course will play a role, as to how much, I'm not a beta tester so I don't know how it will shape up.

 
Nadia  5/13/08 2:04:05 AM