<
>

Page 3 of 101

1

2

3

4

5

6

7

8

9

10

Last

All Posts by Kunou - 2020 found

2/26/07 1:39 PM
Viewed 12230, Replies 279

Originally posted by beauxaj

I don't really care.

On one hand you've got official forums which do turn into the whine/complaint fests ala WoW.   On the other hand if they have no forum it could be a slight problem.

I believe they are doing the same thing they did with DAoC, the Camelot herald was a fantastic source of real, solid, information without all the extra fluff.  I spent each day there while playing DAoC, and I'll probably go to the War Herald each day as well.


Indeed, the WAR Herald will operate much like the Camelot Herald, only better. :)

2/26/07 1:37 PM
Viewed 12230, Replies 279

Originally posted by Areel

2.  Official forums allow the Community Managers to only have to visit one site.  They want to post a message?  One stop posting.  They want to gauge the general ideas of the community?  They're all in one spot.  And Community Managers know the difference between random whining and serious concerns.

The downside?  Community Managers with official forums often get the soul-crushing job of being a forum Moderator.  Much of their time is wasted on locking threads, editing objectionable material, and otherwise dealing with the assholes.  That means that they're less inclined to share their knowledge with the community.  People also start to EXPECT a dev reply.  So many meaningless threads that start with the title, "Devs, plz respond!"

Then again, many Vanguard players today, after the official forum was closed, feel adrift.  There is no centralized voice, and they are scattered to the winds.

But some of us, myself included like visiting all the different fansites. I like how the communites on each are so different and varied. They all offer a different atmosphere. They allow the different players to find a community that is most comfortable to them, rather than forcing them to all congregate in one.

And I'll never be accused of modding someone's post simply because I didn't like what they said. I have, and never will have, no mod powers on any fan site. If a post gets deleted here, it's cause you broke MMORPG.com's rules, not because you posted something Mythic didn't want to hear.

3.  Forums do not create the community.  The community creates the atmosphere of the forum.  For this, let's look at two games that were recently in development, and had official forums.  Lord of the Rings Online, and Vanguard.  LotRO had a very calm, friendly forum environment during development.  Interesting discussions were common, and trolls and flames were kept to a minimum.  On the other hand, Vanguard's community started out with an ego problem, and it showed in their forums.  Anything negative about the game was shot down.  Flamers and asshats prowled through every post.

Essentially, it's the people that define how an official forum will develop.  Not the pressence of an official forum, itself.

Really, I think the pros outweigh the cons.  But I admit that there is no perfect solution.  Official forums have both advantages and disadvantages.  I just hope the WAR community won't be fractured by the absence of a central community.


Personally I'm the opposite, I believe the cons outweigh the pros, as long as there are avenues of communication for the CM to get info out to the players (the Herald) and the players to get information to the CM/Devs (the Feedback System).

2/26/07 1:00 PM
Viewed 12230, Replies 279

Originally posted by Deathstiny

I'll play the game regardless but voted "bad thing". Currently I'm subscribed to 6 different forums in order to stay on top of any new developments that happen wit the game. Quite frankly that's a pain in the ass. I'd rather have one site I can go to every day to see if there is something new and exciting going on. It's certainly not a game breaker for me but official forums are just part of good customer service in my opinion.

Cheers,

Deathstiny

Guild Master of Reborn

Reborn


You can't really compare the flow of "information" now to what will take place once the game launches... All the stuff you're visiting 6 difference sites to get your hands on now is in a lot of cases exclusive content. Interviews, articles, etc. Once the game launches, all important info concerning the game, be it bugs, patch notes, issues, upcoming changes, anything, will be posted ONE place, on the WAR Herald.

2/26/07 12:57 PM
Viewed 12230, Replies 279

Originally posted by Traelin
Originally posted by checkthis500
And the whining is the reason why I don't like official forums.  It's the only thing that isn't offered by unofficial forums.

One of the beauties of official forums is that, like any other forum, you don't HAVE to read them...so I don't see why the whining would bother you.  On the other hand, forums do offer a direct line of communication to the devs (via the CMs), as well as valuable resources on class-based, game-based, quest-based, etc. issues.  To me it signifies a level of professionalism if you will.


But why does it need to be official forums to provide that "direct line of communication to the devs (via the CMs)"... These aren't official forums, yet here I (the CM in question) am responding to your post...

2/26/07 12:55 PM
Viewed 12230, Replies 279

Originally posted by Justice87

My vote is for that its a good thing they arent having any Official boards. All they should have is a Tech support chat. Where you can connect with a tech support employee and get one on one help...Kinda like Myth Wars has. (see more details on Myth Wars site)


There can be many different manners to contact tech support without needing Forums to do it.

2/26/07 11:48 AM
Viewed 1988, Replies 45
But, under this idea of affiliate system, they now need to do it 20 times over, or Not post at all, anywhere.. to achieve this "Money saving" or “Time saving” your are referring to.

My job, not thiers, as I said above, which you seem to have yet again overlooked...

I didn’t ignore you entire post, I just pointed out that that argument is invalid. I read the rest of your post, and nothing has changed.

Invalid because you took it out of context and misconstrued it.

Once again, your not doing us a favor by cutting back customer support (in all facets) because of mismanagement, or lack of funds.

We as customers do not owe you understanding, or pity, for a product we by and subscribe to, its simply not our problem.

No where does buying/subscribing to the game guarantee you official forums. You keep accusing us of taking away something you're entitled to or ripping you off by not giving them to you and that is simply not the case.

You want one way communication... which isn’t really communication. Its you telling the community, like over a radio... what is happening, which is fine for news and such. But totally detaches you from any feedback, or concerns that the community as a whole (and not just some large guild site, or specialized site (IE: Crafters)).  We are in the information age here,  one way communication went out with world war two, and if  information had been as prevalent then, as it is now, allot of things most of the world didn’t hear about when it was happening...would not have happened.  This is my tieback to  my apparently, less valid, "Whiney" Statement.

Bottom line.... If developers wish to continue this route, of Speaking AT the people that play there games...then its a sad state of affairs. Especially for games that, for the most part, rely on its community for its long life.  No other thin in mmo's retain player more than the community that surrounds it.  Go ahead...split them up... 

Speaking of which, you apparently didn't read my post as you claim, or you just skipped over the part where I flat out stated that a company MUST have a way for the playerbase to speak to them, ie DAoC's feedback system and login polls.

To think that forums are the only means to facilitate communication between the company and the players is like wearing blinders. You're only seeing the only possible solution that YOU want.

I really have my doubts about any community manger, that doesn’t see the usefulness of forums for a Community.

DAoC just celebrated it's 5th Anniversary having never had official forums. There are other games out there that don't have them. There are several who have them but they aren't worth going to. Yes, I admit there are some pros to having official forums. There are also many cons, which you can't seem to admit. Nor can you seem to accept that there are feasible, workable alternatives to official forums...

Also, holding your hands over your ears and saying "I wont read that because its not constructive" is a very tired excuse coming out of developers mouths.. You reap what you sow, and you (The developers, publishers, and managers) create the tone of the community you manage.

You need to be able to read the good, and the bad, because even if you think the comment is whiney, or non-constructive...its valid, there is always a reason, and you need to hear it, and address it if you want it to go away (of corset her are some that just bitch, lol)
Where did I indicate in any manner that I only read the good? :P I am active on every single WAR fansite daily, reading all the good AND bad. As I posted above, I read MANY thousands of feedback emails, both good AND bad... I can't count the number of times I've been informed what I should go do with my mom, or what unpleasant thing I need to shove into various orrifices. It's part of my job, I have no problem reading the bad with the good.

I never indicated I didn't read your post, I was just informing you of how you came across posting like that.
2/26/07 10:00 AM
Viewed 1988, Replies 45
There's no need to get all big and colorful, I can read regular font just fine and using big colorful font doesn't make you more right, just makes you look loud and whiney...

You do realize there is FAR FAR more to running a major set of forums than just Mods right? No, the Devs wouldn't be too busy to do their jobs because they're modding the forums, they wouldn't be.

But you ARE expecting them to take time away from working on the game to post on said forums... Yes yes, a single post doesn't take long. A couple seconds to maybe a couple minutes tops... The problem comes in when they respond to one post, every single other person on the forums who has posted something wants the same attention to their thread as well. So yes, as I said, it DOES take resources away from the development of the game. It cuts into the Developers' time that could be spent actually working on the game. It cuts into programmers time handling code issues on the forum, rather than handling code issues in the game itself. Money that could be spent hiring new artists, programmers, designers etc would no have to be earmarked to hire new Mods for said forums. Besides, it's my job to communicate with the community. And really, as long as I have one "centralized" (since you seem to like that word so much) avenue to disperse information and collect information (the Herald), why does it HAVE to be forums?

I love how you take one single line of my entire post, misconstrue it and try to use it as an argument, completely ignoring the rest of my reply, then tell me to go back and "really read" your post again...
2/26/07 7:22 AM
Viewed 1988, Replies 45
Wow, I wish I had gotten in on this earlier, far too many posts to go back and respond to all the points and opinions equally now though. :( So I'll just jump in here with my opinions and such on the matter...

1) Any company who doesn't have official forums needs some manner to put out official info. Thats a given, you shouldn't have to search 20+ fansites for a single dev post addressing a major issue. Mythic never had official forums for DAoC but has had the Camelot Herald to put out official info, and IMO has done a rather good job of it over the years.

B) In the same sense that if there are no official forums, then the devs need an avenue to put out info, if there are no official forums there needs to be an avenue for the players to talk to the Dev team. DAoC, which doesn't use official forums, has the Feedback Form on the Herald site. I personally read over 55,000 feedback emails generated by that form last year alone. Each and every one read, tracked, categorized, tallied and passed to the Dev Team in an easy to read monthly report.

3) I know I'm speaking a lot from the PoV of DAoC, but since that's the only MMO (Well, not counting WAR, but we haven't gotten to that stage yet) I've worked on, it's where my experience comes from.

D) Official forums take FAR more resources (time and money) from the development of the game that in most cases, as long as the above criteria is met, they aren't cost effective. I know personally, from a player point of view, I'd rather the time be spent on getting the game ready for launch if it's still in development or spent working on fixing issues if it's live. Take the big cheese for example, WoW's official forums. I use them only because they're the ones I hear the most complaints about. How many people do you think would have to be brought onto staff and paid to keep those forums inline? Now how many more artists, designers or programmers could that same money hire?

5) As the Community Coordinator for WAR, I am registered, and frequent every WAR fansite on the web that has a decent community and activity established. By decent I don't mean personality or amount of flaming/trolling, I just mean how active they are. I prefer to let the followers of the game establish their own lottle communities around the web. And they are vastly different, going from WHA (warhammeralliance.com) to WRVR (war-rvr.net) to OW (only-war.com) to WAR Vault you see a completely different style of community. They have different posting styles, different things are important to them, etc. I prefer to come to the comminity of your choice than force you to come to the community of our choice.

E) By using fansites as the main forums for a game, I can never be accused of modding a post simply because I didn't like what the player said. I don't have Mod Powers on any WAR or DAoC forum in existence, nor will I ever. If a post you make regarding a Mythic product ever gets modded, it's because you broke some rule the fansite in question has in place, not because you said something we don't want to hear.

7) If I ever do make a post on forums that is in anyway on topic. Which like I said above, it would never be anything important that isn't also posted on the Herald, I would also cross post it on all the forums I visit. Like when I've run WAR contests in the past, it was posted on the WAR Herald, but I also started a thread on all the WAR fansites as well.

I'll stop ramling there for now, but I'll be watching the thread, this is actually a very interesting topic for me, both from the PoV of someone who works in the industry and from the MMO gamer PoV.
2/22/07 2:58 PM
Viewed 166, Replies 6
2/22/07 9:45 AM
Viewed 1127, Replies 25

Originally posted by cupertino
None of us have played the game...

I have! ;)

2/22/07 9:44 AM
Viewed 2824, Replies 63

Now now, at least TRY to disguise the fishing for infoz a LITTLE... ;)

2/22/07 9:38 AM
Viewed 2824, Replies 63

Originally posted by JulianDracos
Richard is here slumming it on the DAOC boards instead of keeping up with WAR.  Must be a slow day at the office

I still read these boards almost every day, I just don't post as much as I used to cause I'm not as up to date on what's going on with DAoC these days as I once was. :(

2/22/07 9:30 AM
Viewed 2824, Replies 63

Indeed there is, she actually trolls VN mostly. I just have a special place in my heart for this site due to having worked here in the past. :)

2/20/07 3:13 PM
Viewed 785, Replies 57

John Q
City of Angels
Braveheart
The Crow
Hero
Fearless
Untamed Heart
The Green Mile
Where the Red Fern Grows
Gladiator
I am Sam

I could go on and on really, but those are some of the big ones...

2/20/07 1:11 PM
Viewed 2772, Replies 53

I was going to reply here... but I've been staring at the OP's post and this empty reply box... And quite honestly, I don't even know where to start... :P

2/20/07 11:47 AM
Viewed 700, Replies 29

Originally posted by Cerra

So, Richard..... you did a great job of playing slueth here! I admire that:) Good eye....

I've completely gotten lost in your title, instead of the thread at hand.....Lets be "buddies" shall we ?:)  * Did this get me any closer to beta acceptance? :p *

hehe just playing :)


Lol, no prob, like I said, having worked for the site in the past, it just jumped out at me. And sure, given how relative a term like 'closer' is, sure you're definitely closer to beta acceptance. ;)

2/20/07 11:41 AM
Viewed 2824, Replies 63

The complete UI system is something we're looking at bringing up to date in the near future, have no fear! :)

2/20/07 11:22 AM
Viewed 2824, Replies 63

Glad so many of you like the upcoming changes, and all I can say about the Archer changes coming soon is... /drool... ;)

2/20/07 11:15 AM
Viewed 700, Replies 29

Working on getting you one right this minute actually. :)

2/20/07 11:10 AM
Viewed 700, Replies 29

As EX-Staff, and more emportantly, an employee of a different game company, I can't really comment on the situation on hand, I just wanted to clear up what appeared, at least to me, the confusion of either someone possibly pretending to be a staffer, or someone who IS a staffer who doesn't have their account labeled correctly. :)

*ducks and dodges like a ninja* ;)

Page 3 of 101

1

2

3

4

5

6

7

8

9

10

Last

Legend

Locked
Hot (25+ Posts)
New Posts
No New Posts
<a href="http://www.gameads.com/" target=_blank>Game Ads</a> banner requires iframes.