All Posts by dsorrent

Actually, the more I think about it, the better I like this idea.  I mean, it's better than them just rolling the $3.00 into the monthly fee and giving you these items for "free".  At least if you have no interest in them, you don't have to pay for them.

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Originally posted by Coldmeat

I hope I win.

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Oh man.. that's really messed up if you entered...

Ok, first off..  Although your "history", as you claim, is as old as TSR itself, I think it's fairly easy to say that any group of people who want to just PK other players could have easily searched for "Evil" and "D&D" and come up with Myrkul, Bane or Cyric in all of 30 seconds of research and claimed to be followers therefore they kill people.

Your aggressive attitude toward those who are against PvP just shows you are one of those people who doesn't really care what others say, all you care is what you want.  A classic PKer attitude in all of the MMORPG's I've played.  Furthermore, all of your arguements that PnP D&D had PvP so D&D Online needs it was not even supported in your above post.  You reference a group of online players running around PKing people in the name of Myrkul.  Please tell me, if you and your "guild" got together to play PnP D&D, which one of your guildies would you kill first?  Oh, wait, probably none of them. You'd kill the people invented by the DM.  Guess what? That's the equivalent of PvE in the online world.  So, that being said, your arguement still holds no water to fitting PvP in a role playing environment.

The only legitimate need for PvP in a role playing environment would be like someone said above.  Protection from thieving players and protection from carelessness of your party.  Outside of that, there's really no need to for PvP in a role playing game.

The other thing is, when developers make a role playing game, they spend so much time on content for people.  That's ALOT of hard work that goes into it.  Why would you want to introduce PvP so that people could power-grind through the levels to ignore all of your fine quality work just so they can go beat on each other?  A MMORPG is just as much of a satisfaction for developers as it is for players.

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Originally posted by Thoom
Easy done for perma death. There is resurrection in PnP D&D. Some races can't be rezzed but thems the breaks.

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While this is true, I believe that's a fairly high level spell in PnP D&D and if I remember correctly, there's a chance that it will fail.  Yes, you could go to an NPC Priest, well, if someone carried you, but it will cost you a good amount of gold.. well, it would actually cost your group because you can't technically pay, since your dead.  But, if your in a group of people who killed you, who's going to resurrect you anyway?

Lame? Have you played MxO?  I think that cartoon was WAY better than the MxO experience. :)  But, I'm not here to bash the game.  I just think it's WAY over hyped.

I'd be interested to know which video card took those pics as well.

Wow, the MMORPG Beta Contest is almost here...  Can you feel the anticipation??

Free Your Mind

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Originally posted by battleaxe

Magic without PvP has no repercussions. A wizard in pnp has to be careful with a fireball or risk blowing up his own party. This adds to the fun, because any minor mistakes make for really upset party members. Major mistakes get people killed, so AoE spells have to be used skillfully or not at all. The same goes for bows, thrown weapons, scroll spells, molotov cocktails, etc.

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See, I don't consider this "PvP", because as you said, the wizard has to be careful.  He's not openly being aggressive to his fellow players.  Same goes for your other examples of bows, thrown weapons, scroll spells, molotov cocktails and critial misses.

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Originally posted by battleaxe

Rogues without pvp are just a crappy warrior. They can't steal from party members except by being an obvious ninja-looter. Since there is no repercussion for uncivil conduct, they can ninja-loot to their hearts content.

I've seen several pnp sessions devoted entirely to intra-party conflict. From jumping on the rogue for stealing to yelling at the mage for everyone's singed eyebrows to racial conflicts to discussions of the legitimacy of someone's birth, these sessions have often been even more fun than the actual quest we were trying to accomplish. They only happened because there were mortal consequences to stepping out of line too far.

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Rogue's ability to detect traps, disarm traps and open locks are more important than his combat ability.  The backstab ability, while quite powerful against a single opponent is not something you would want to do in a group anyway, because after that, as you said, he's just a crappy fighter.

As far as "ninja-looting" goes, I think it's fair to say, everyone here who is against PvP in D&D Online would agree that if they were DM'ing a game where one player's character stole from someone else in the group and was detected, they would have no problem with allowing them to battle it out (PvP) and suffer the consequences of a Perma-death character.

In an online game such as D&D Online where perma-death is a taboo topic, open PvP does not belong.  If someone playing a level 20 thief knew they could possibly lose their level 20 thief if they are caught pick-pocketing someone in thier party, they'd think twice as hard on their actions.  But no, in an online game it's just a "minor setback" so they have no problem pick-pocketing people in their group.  If they get caught, they re-spawn, minor loss (which is recoverable) of any stats/XP and they move on.

If you want to institute PvP in D&D Online, you MUST have perma-death and some kind of system in place where some level 30 Barbarian isn't going to go on a slaughter spree of all people level 10 and lower.  That's really the only solution to the problem that I can see. 

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Originally posted by Coldmeat

under/over con meaning a blue mob, for example, that was hitting like a red con mob, or vice versa

It's not overly complicated, or anything. It's a bit different at first, but after an hour or two if becomes natural.

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Originally posted by Kaliv

I've tried two different cards on the Character Creation disk using Windows XP.

 

GeForce 4 Ti4800  ->  Give the Blue Screen of Death occasionally.  Other times it appears to work but after too much clicking on changing your character looks, the screen will start flashing at you until you exit.  I've played around with a lot of settings and get one of the two situations.

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Which drivers were you using on the Ti4800?  I'm running the 6.1.7.7 driver and it works fine.  The only time I had an issue with it was when my firewall was up and blocking traffic.  When that happened, I just got a black screen and it wouldnt start.  I couldn't ALT-TAB out so I had to force a hard reboot.

Yea, that was the one thing that turned me off of EQ... I hated that shouting for a group... It's so... well.. useless..  It's like spam mail..

I REALLY hope they have some kind of system like CoH or some of the other MMORPGs...

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Originally posted by Devine

I am soooo looking forward to this game.  I too hessitated when I first heard they were doing EQ2. In fact I said I would not re-enter that world.  However, things have changed and I am very much anticipating entering the EQ2 world. 

Drives my wife crazy though, I have to keep upgrading my computer just to support the game.  

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LOL.. I know what you mean... I'm still working out the budget to see how I can afford this upgrade.. My wife is at a point now where she's just like "if you just put it all on a credit card, will you shut up about it already?"

:)

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Originally posted by Zerackus

 I can't believe the amount of folks who say they have played D&D, in one form or another, say there is no PvP in the PnP game. Are you guys out of your minds? Do you even have a concept of role playing? Do they use aligment for no reason? How do you play a CE Rogue in a Neutral or Good based group? You never looked over you shoulder during every fight, praying the Rogue was attacking the monster, not your Cleric? NPCs run by the DM inflitrarting your party, thwarting you at every turn, that's Player vs Player!

 

Get a clue, PvP, done right, can only enhance a game. I can refrence many articles. So I shall:

Mad Lum site had many, www.kaaos.com has alot.(it's down for a revamp right now). Do a web search on Hedron (a KAAOS member) who has written and influenced PvP in many games. WarKnight is the lead designer of WoW (another KAAOS member) Div Devlin of the Gray Company has wrote 100s of articles. Do a little research.

 

 

 

 

 

Zerackus the Bane
Son of Myrkul
Undead Lords
www.undeadlords.net

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Well, MOST people who play PnP D&D play with friends.  Just because your an evil character in a good group, doesn't mean your primary goal is to kill off the other members.  While PvP does occur in PnP games, most people try to refrain from it just for the simple fact that they are playing the PnP games for social reasons.  It's a social activity, and I don't know about you, but I prefer not to go to social activities which I'm not going to have a good time at.  So, how would you feel if your friend killed off your level 15 mage?  I'm sure you'd be a bit pissed due to the amount of time you put into it.

So, while yes, PvP can and does exist in PnP games, most people refrain from it because more importantly than it being a game, it's a time to socialize with other people.

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Originally posted by IowaYeti

yeah, given a crapload (1000's) of FP users Beta access    Hello lag... hehe glad I am not involved in THAT one  lol

~Yeti

...systems owned; Pong, ColecoVision, Commodore Vic20, Atari 2600, Atari 5200, Intellivision I & II, Nintendo, SNES, Sega, Gamegear, 32x, Sega CD, Philips CDi, 3DO, Comp, Playstation, XBox (only a few I have not owned, yet probably played hehe)
...enjoying Fable & MKD currently.
2nd sig... http://home.mchsi.com/~tattooedyeti/MxO_Yeti.gif

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LOL.. You're almost inferring that there was no lag BEFORE all the FP people have joined MxO...

Originally I was going to get a stopwatch with a second hand to time the lag.  I don't think I need a second hand anymore.

I think in the past we've seen plenty of information provided free at fan sites and guild sites that I don't see where they are going to get alot of people paying that $0.99 per feature.  However, if they changed to a Guild billing system, that might work.  Like for $5.00 a month, the whole guild get access to these features.  It would obviously be the guild leaders responsibility to collect funds or pay it themselves.  It would also be a selling feature for joining guilds.

Does anyone know if there's going to be some mechanism for locating people who are looking for a group?  If there is, how will it work?  Will it be an in game GUI where you can check off like "Rogue", "Priest", etc to filter what you are looking for?  Can you specify the specific classes like Assassin or Paladin?  Also, will it be zone specific, etc?

Thanks!

I have a GeForce 4 Ti4800 128MB and the CC disk ran for me.  I think the issue is the "MX" series cards, because as far as I am aware, all of the "MX" cards are essentially one level below what they are listed as, in other words, a GeForce4 MX is essentially a GeForce 3 and a GeForce3 MX is essentially a GeForce 2.

I'm hoping I can at least run the game on my Ti4800 to buy me time to upgrade my video card..

I was suprised at the change to the giveaway.  I was unaware that Europeans were actually complaining about this.  What board were the complaining on?

I'm not sure how they can actually do this... since, after all, isn't beauty in the eye of the beholder?

;)