All Posts by ProfRed

Originally posted by dbgager

Don't trust this guy...Game is a winner....The most fun i have ever had in a MMORPG.

Haha anyone that would actually trust this guy with this post made on launch day deserves to miss out on the fun.  People like the OP, and people that would read his post and actually take it to heart deserve to sit around and wait for their perfect MMO for the rest of their lives.  Then one day 20 years from now maybe they will look back and realize all of the fun times they missed because of their stubborn ignorance.

Originally posted by Chill_Factor

Originally posted by bodypass

Ok guys,

I am not going to link directly because that would be too much for a WAR fan forum.

And I even promised myself NOT to mention it here , but as it is SO good:

look at the newest full action videos of WotLK Lake Winter published in the Wow forums (5 th page).

I think this kind of action in an MMORPG is from another planet.

 

You see, I don't play WoW, so I won't waste my time going to their forums. You know, like you are doing here.

The problem is WoW players who have a decent amount of intelligence realize that they are about to get the reset button on all of their characters pressed and it is out of their control.  Now they have to entertain themselves instead of wasting time on gear that is about to be made obsolete.  Now this is the higher end of the intelligent community within WoW, and these are the ones you see trolling our forums.  Read through bodypass's post history and it should keep you entertained for at least an hour or two. 

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by ProfRed

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by Steelrose

What is RvR? Is it just a normal PvP in WAR, but WAR wants to be special so they called it RvR?

Stands for what? Realm versus realm? That's kinda stupid I'd say. Are players representations of realms, and they fight unified all together as a realm against another realm? What's the point? I mean, players are still fightning other players right? Are they still motivated to fight because of some higher idea of a realm fightning other realm? I don't get it.

 

Essentially, Mythic has labeled a battle between two sides "RvR", and for some reasons the fans have taken RvR as something incredibly new and innovative, like it has never been done before, when in fact many MMO's have two sides.

 

You are getting a little absurd.  Your posts when you jumped in here with your opinions were well thought out and constructive but you are clearly swaying towards the troll side of things.

RvR has been a term that has been around since DaOC and it is about realms fighting for control over land.  Land that exists in the World and is important to hold.  RvR represents the struggle between realms that effects the entire world.  Tier 1 lower RvR success trickles upwards and by players of all levels at all tiers participating and winning in the name of their realm helps the realm achieve the greatest victory of sieging the other realms city.  It is a massive game mechanic, and no other MMO has come close to touching it. 

If you are even considering comparing WoW to this then you should be embarrassed.  You seem intelligent enough to understand why.  DaOC was around before WoW by the way, and I don't know of any other MMO you can compare this to.

Please return to your constructive and reasonable self.

I'll allow my own ignorance to show here, but what exactly does "winning" bring you? You say you get to siege the enemy cities is the greatest victory, but what does that get you? What happens after that? Does it just reset?

The way I read it, it was essentially WoW style battlegrounds and world PvP, with this mechanic thrown on top of it, but I didn't really see how this really made an impact on the world. I remember being in areas and not noticing a single difference between when they were destruction controlled and order controlled.

So perhaps it's my own fault for not knowing the system completely, but from what I have seen and gathered, that is how I felt. Care to inform me?

What does winning ever bring you in anything in life?  Without competition, rivalries, and pride we would be a lot more like robots than humans.  Winning in RvR is a global scale, a server wide victory.  Comparing it to any other MMO's competition is like comparing a flag football game to the superbowl.  What games should we talk about with multiple sides?  WoW?  Damn I am sick about talking about WoW.  BG's and arena?  Who gives a crap about your wins and for how long?  How many are involved?

In WAR your entire realm wins, and everyone from Tier 1 to Tier 4 cooperate and have an influence on the victory.  I prefer competing against players, humans, the ultimate AI, than against some AI that existed in games 15 years ago.  This right now is the only game on this massive of a scale to offer that, and I do very much enjoy that aspect of it.

What people don't understand is that a review will always reflects the writers feelings towards the subject.  It is almost impossible to avoid.  If the writer is having a massive amount of fun and loves the game at the time it will reflect in the review.

People here expect reviewers to be like robots and ignore any amount of fun or misery and just rate the game based on other games in the genre.  If you bring any amount of your emotions into the review you become a troll or a fanboy.  This is ridiculously absurd and false.

A fanboy and troll are easy enough to identify.  Loving the game and writing a review about it is not a crime, and neither is hating it if you bring up valid points and reasonable opinions.

You are not a fanboy or a troll unless you just randomly spout out stuff that is 100% emotion with no fact, misinformation, or 100% opinion with no fact. 

I should add I wouldn't rate it a 9.  I would give it a 7.6-8.4 ish.  I am sure it would rank in there if I broke it down.  The important thing is that a number is an average.  The 'fun' part of my review would be a '9'.  The potential would be a '8' or '9'.  The crafting would bring it down, and the itemization which I understand is bound by the IP heavily would bring it down for me.  The point is that every game is right for a group of people at a time in their lives, and every game is not right for some people at a time in their lives. 

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by Steelrose

What is RvR? Is it just a normal PvP in WAR, but WAR wants to be special so they called it RvR?

Stands for what? Realm versus realm? That's kinda stupid I'd say. Are players representations of realms, and they fight unified all together as a realm against another realm? What's the point? I mean, players are still fightning other players right? Are they still motivated to fight because of some higher idea of a realm fightning other realm? I don't get it.

 

Essentially, Mythic has labeled a battle between two sides "RvR", and for some reasons the fans have taken RvR as something incredibly new and innovative, like it has never been done before, when in fact many MMO's have two sides.

You are getting a little absurd.  Your posts when you jumped in here with your opinions were well thought out and constructive but you are clearly swaying towards the troll side of things.

RvR has been a term that has been around since DaOC and it is about realms fighting for control over land.  Land that exists in the World and is important to hold.  RvR represents the struggle between realms that effects the entire world.  Tier 1 lower RvR success trickles upwards and by players of all levels at all tiers participating and winning in the name of their realm helps the realm achieve the greatest victory of sieging the other realms city.  It is a massive game mechanic, and no other MMO has come close to touching it. 

If you are even considering comparing WoW to this then you should be embarrassed.  You seem intelligent enough to understand why.  DaOC was around before WoW by the way, and I don't know of any other MMO you can compare this to.

Please return to your constructive and reasonable self.

Originally posted by Abrahmm

It's the exact same thing that happened with the AoC release too. All of the fanbois rush and rate it 10 across the board the first day it is put on the ratings section(because they have had enough time to play it in 1 day to know it's a 10), so the games start out really high. Eventually enough normal people give a realistic vote and bring it down to where it relatively should be.

Only AoC never lifted its NDA, never had anyone in beta that could talk about it above their capped level which was locked in tortage, and held fake PVP events where players were donned in epic armor when they really had some piss poor itemization.  AoC blatantly lied, covered up the truth, and tried to sugarcoat what they did have.

WAR has testers that have played end game, and more info at launch than AoC had one month after launch.  WAR isn't trying to hide anything.  If anything it is doing the opposite and pimping itself out.  The developers have been blatantly honest and forthcoming so don't even think of comparing the two in that regard.   

This happens at every launch though.  I keep hearing people say crap like 'This is just like AoC and Vanguard forums'.  Well guess what?  It is every forum here at launch.  It has no correlation at all about the state of the game, or the future of the game.  It is just that AoC and Vanguard are two of the recent ones to launch since WoW and ever since WoW this has happened at every launch.  It's too bad those games were sub-par at launch.  They were riddled with bugs, and at times unplayable.  They were incomplete, and should never have left beta.  WAR is a very well polished game, and is one of the most impressive MMO's at launch stability and bug wise ever. 

Maybe RvR is what people want right now? 

Originally posted by UberKnot

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by bodypass

Exactly...

Now come back in 10 days and reread what you wrote.

 

than you'll understand....

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 Every WAR copy sold is free publicity for WotLK.

 

 

Nice OP. As for the chap in quotes here, he must be a viral marketer for Blizzard or he is on some sort of crusade, check his post history.

 

Now thats a typical fantroll response ;)

 

AoC had its problems just as WAR does.

 

Dont try to butter it up.

 

Remember you can put lipstick on a pig, But..........Its still a Pig !!! :D

 

Read bodypass's post history and then read the post you qutoed which said 'check his post history'.  He is and always will be a troll.  You can't fantroll a troll they would cancel each other out.  AoC had serious, serious, deep game problems.  WAR is smooth as butter into launch and actually gets better as you level if you like it's style of gameplay.  Comparing WAR and AoC just tells us you didn't play both games at any reasonable level. 

Originally posted by Douhk

I will be buying this game and trying the official version of this game tonight. The only thing that concerns me with this game is how popular PQs and RvR at lower levels will be as the game further progresses... will it be an end-game grind like in all others? I'd hope not, but at least the grind is less in this game than it is in others with only 40 levels.

The good thing is the 'end game grind' will be for renown and it will be 90-100% World PvP and Scenarios.  It won't be static as you will always face different enemies and killer AI (Other people).  I am interested to see how Tier 4 plays out in a couple of months.

Also didn't they say they were never going to raise the level cap with expansions?  (At least with regular rank...  maybe that was another developer and another game...)

Well I can review Tier 2 I guess.  Since closed beta and up through launch the game has improved a lot.  The times and stuff that have improved blur together in my mind so I don't remember what happened exactly between different patches, but the game is very solid.  I can stay logged in for 8+ hours with no sign of memory leaks or needing to restart.  The graphics seem smoother to me but I suck at noticing stuff like that and liked the graphics before.

Tier 2 is awesome.  I love keep warfare, and the large rolling RvR areas where battles break out.  It is cool seeing on the map where fights are going on as players from both sides go to the area and fight it out.  The quests are easy enough, but not too boring.  Some are really cool actually outside of PQ's.  The cool thing about Tier 2 is the 3 new scenarios for that Tier are way different than Tier 1.  I really like the dwarf/greenskin pairing scenario in Tier 1 with the fight over the huge wall, but Tier 2 scenarios are a ton of fun.  I really like the simple capture the flag scenario in the elf pairing.  It really let's magus/engineers shine on defense and witch hunters/witch elfs have fun with stealth. 

As far as performance right at launch in large RvR I would start to stutter.  Maybe every 5-10 seconds I would lose a few frames.  After yesterdays patch (or after installing discs) since I did both at the same time it is completely gone.  I had over 100 people on my screen last night in a keep battle and it ran like there were 12, or none.  It was very smooth.

Armor and characters are really starting to look cool and menacing.  I can't wait for Tier 3 honestly.  I am glad this game is this much fun even if it isn't my dream game.  I can see myself playing ti for a long time especially as many of my real life friends are rolling in.

Phyllis: So how do you feel about the fact that the banner says lunch?
Angela: I feel angry. Angry at you. Angry at you for doing something stupid. Angry at me for believing you could do something not stupid.
Phyllis: I'm so sorry to hear that, that must be awful.
Angela: It is awful. You've made this day awful!
Kevin: Maybe you could just change the U into an A.
Angela: Then it would say lanch party, Kevin. Would it really be better if it said lanch party?
Michael: Ohh, lunch party.
Angela: It's supposed to say launch!
Michael: Okay, wow! Easy, booster seat, nobody cares about this party anyway.
Angela: I care!

Try downloading winzip.  If WinRAR and WinZip fail then you probably have to redownload. =(

Originally posted by Dreadblade

RvR on Skull Throne was a slide show, so I rolled a toon on a low pop server to check it out to make sure it was not my rig. The game ran smooth as silk for the most part in High Qual so I decided to stay there, we even did a Keep raid last night with 1 warband and it ran decent but towards the end of the night things felt really really sluggish. 3 people though were complaining about server lag or whatever and disbanded from the warband.

so on a low pop server I ran pretty good on a high pop it was like a slide show, that seems to me like server lag or memory leak issues on their side.

Yeah I had this up until last night also with a ton of people on screen.  After todays downtime though and installing the discs it is gone.  I am in a keep battle with at least 100 people around fighting and it is running as smooth as if there was 12 on screen.  I do have a decent machine though.  I did have the stuttering, but again it's gone now.

Originally posted by Dreadblade

Originally posted by ProfRed

It's actually either the same, .1 second longer, or .1 second shorter excluding rogues and druids in cat form.  At least come up with reasonable flames sir trollykins.

 

I was not trolling actually I find this global cool down annoying for whatever reason it seems more pronounced then in any other game I played. I just see this same high and mighty attitude among a lot of WAR posters here that is very remininscent of AoC before the light turned on. This game is far from perfect, is it better then AoC was at launch, yes but is that really saying much?? Server imbalance and server lag and not what I would call in ICU but they are critical imho.

Sorry I wasn't talking to you but the guy above you.  Just saying the global cooldown is 1.4s in WAR (rounded to 1.5s) and it is 1.5s for regular classes in WoW.  There has been a ton of misinformation posted on these boards usually from WoW trolls, and the word gets tossed around a lot but these are serious trolls I am referring to.  Anyway just wanted to set that straight.

Originally posted by Dreadblade

Well I tried in the last few posts for constructive criticsism in this thread, but my two biggest issues are the server imbalance and the server lag in large scale RvR. Which in the end could hurt this game for those that like to play an RvR game, I mean lets be serious the PvE here is lame and not very engrossing, the PQs were/are a brilliant idea but as I said by chapter 8 it felt just like any grind in WoW or worse.

Well it's weird but after installed the discs, or after the 4 hour downtime this morning, the game got much more stable for me.  I had more people on screen in WAR than i've had in any MMO short of some crazy events and it ran smooth.  I think they have done a great job with scaling whatever they scale.  Server inbalance could be an issue but I have a feeling if it gets too bad on a server Mythic will think of something to help it.  I enjoy overcoming the odds anyway, but yeah these are valid concerns.

Are you having trouble in RvR with your machine?  I think this is the best MMO for massive battles I have ever played short of FFXI, but in FFXI it just stops rendering characters so if there are 500 around you you only see 20 or 30. 

It's actually either the same, .1 second longer, or .1 second shorter excluding rogues and druids in cat form.  At least come up with reasonable flames sir trollykins.

Originally posted by slask777

Originally posted by Narshe

There's nothing wrong with people disliking the game, everyone's entitled to their opinion. There is something wrong, however, when they just can't seem to let go of that and continously try to ruin it for other people and go off on a crusade to prevent others from trying it.

You mean like the community over here do with the people who like WoW?

Anyway, the new mmo feeling will fade in time. Everything new is fun for a while. Wait and see in a few months when most people playing now are capped and done most of what WAR offers at the moment. You are allowed to dislike or like a game though, but the trolls will shoot you down no matter what, or atleast try to. That's forums for you

If you knew the people from WoW who posted here, and read their posts you would understand why WoW players get a bad name.  Just read up on coffee, bodypass, and fingis posts and threads.  They are the main three from the WoW community who come over this way.  You seem intelligent and literate.  Please read their posts/threads.

Very well written write up, and follow up.  I added this to the review compilation sticky. 

Originally posted by Dreadblade

Originally posted by ProfRed

There are still a lot of active games that will give you what you are looking for.  There are about 500 old threads you can dig up about how WoW ruined the genre by being so successful with such a casual and shallow game causing developers to follow in their footsteps that you could post on.  I personally agree with the side that WoW hurt the genre more than it helped, but I miss the old days.  Particularly when these forums were filled with excitement about launches and we discussed the games.  

 

If you try and discuss the cons of a game anymore you get decimated by the fanbois, I feel there are some very signifcant issues with WAR which I just posted but I know I will be flamed by fanbois.

Yeah well before we discussed the good and bad in a constructive way.  Ever since the game that shall not be named has come out it's extreme in both directions.  I only remember seeing one or two well put together posts discussing the negatives of the game, and they have a lot of good discussion about it. 

I wish I would have done more comparisons from before to after.  It might just be that because it looks smoother I notice how much more immersive the environments are, but it just feels a lot better.