All Posts by eccoton

Originally posted by Terranah

Originally posted by eccoton

I have always wondered this, why do so many people post on forums for games they do not like or even intend to play. For me it seems a waste of time posting and reading threads for games I do not like or ever intend to play. Do people do this out of boredom? Maybe it is a higher calling, to save the masses from a game you think is bad? Do you just love to talk about mmos? I am not trying to put anyone down by this question, I just am curious why. I see this a lot in these forums. People just tearing a game apart yet spending a lot of time posting in that games forums. I love music but hate polka (nothing against polka lovers) so I do not listen to or go to polka concerts. If you hate SWG (any game could be placed here) so much, why post in their forums? Just wondering.

 

Why do people talk about things they don't like? Mmmmm....human nature.  Are you really that naive?

Naive? Oh yes I am naive and it is very observant for you to notice. However, I did not ask why people talk about things they do not like. It was a bit more specific then that. I asked why people spend a lot of time on forums bashing a game they do not intend or have never even played and even claim to hate. Seems like a waste of time to me, that is why I questioned this practice. These sites are afterall entertaiment and I wonder why people find posting on mmos they have no real intrest in entertaining. Human nature? Well it is not in my human nature nor anyone I really know. Then again as you point out I am naive so I probably would not understand your response anyway. 
 

I have always wondered this, why do so many people post on forums for games they do not like or even intend to play. For me it seems a waste of time posting and reading threads for games I do not like or ever intend to play. Do people do this out of boredom? Maybe it is a higher calling, to save the masses from a game you think is bad? Do you just love to talk about mmos? I am not trying to put anyone down by this question, I just am curious why. I see this a lot in these forums. People just tearing a game apart yet spending a lot of time posting in that games forums. I love music but hate polka (nothing against polka lovers) so I do not listen to or go to polka concerts. If you hate SWG (any game could be placed here) so much, why post in their forums? Just wondering.

Here are just a couple game play screenshots. With settings described in the original post. Top shot is with no anti-aliasing, bottom has 4X anti-aliasing

I agree with Velorum A monk/Fury duo is awesome. I have played that combo and the firepower is inspiring with the heal and feign death you can get out of or control most situations. One thing you can take from the responses so far is one member of your duo should be a Fury.

Originally posted by Blazer6992

   I have never played, but know many that have. I am planning on at least trying it out in a couple of months when the next expansion for it comes out. It seems like one of the few MMO's left that is mainly PVE. If I wanted to play PVP I wouldn't be playing an MMO. I would go by Halo or something. It's a shame most MMO's are going towards PVP so much.

 

I agree. I am not against pvp but for me mmos I like are a pve experience first. I think WoW although it is both pvp and pve has convinced developers pvp is a must. I think WoW is more successful because of it's pve play then it's pvp. The ultimate pve game done right will draw WoW numbers but I do not see one on the horizon anytime soon.

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by eccoton

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by eccoton

Originally posted by UbahNecro

No. Me and my roomate tried it as new players for the Living Legacy promotion (they gave me 2 months of EQ2 free on my old EQ account...) and we quit within 3 weeks.

Starting a new character is pretty much dead in the new areas (I got up to level 30 or so, and him up to level 20 or so on his toon).

It was not fun, and the performance of the game was not up to par with the others that I've played/are playing.

Vanguard is much worse than EQ2. Don't even bother with it. It's trash.

 

I won't argue your opinion on game. I disagree and love the game. I will however question the highlighted lines above. EQ2's performance is fantastic. What you are really saying is, it's performance on your system is not up to par. EQ2 is one of the best looking and performing mmos out. If you have the system that it likes. I say "that it likes" because not always the best system gets good results with EQ2. It loves my system so for me it far above par in it's performance. Below is a game play screenshot. With that look and, at 1920 x 1080 rez, I maintain 45 to 70 fps and 30 to 40 fps in raids. It is to bad you can not enjoy EQ2 in it's full glory on your system. Even with your other legitimate complaints you may have given EQ2 more of a chance had it performed better for you.

 

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Well I never blamed anyone for anything. I also never said good performance was the norm. I was pointing out the misleading statement about the performance. It was stated as if everyone has that problem. You should also notice I point out the fact the game was not optimized for the masses by my comment  about "if you have a system that it likes".  hardly an endorsement for the best optimized game. I also mention that some top systems can not get good performance. Yes, it would be fair to say some get the game to look and perform nice. That is exactly what I said. I also said it was to bad he/she could not get that performance with his/hers computer. So again who was I blaming? Your comment about it taking a nice screenshot is a nice dig but in the case of 1000's players the game is much more then a fine screenshot. It is a fine mmo experience. Not sure if "best performing" is or is not typically associated with EQ2. However a deep, fun, polished, quality experience is typically associated with this game by 1000s of its players including myself. EQ2 is in the top 10 rankings at number 3 here at mmorpg.com for a reason.

PS-  I was there at launch EQ2 was not rushed to the market. It had a very smooth launch. The developers made a bad choice in thinking that technology was going to go more into processors for gaming instead of the video card boom that came instead. It had nothing to do with it being rushed to the market. It was simply a bad call on the developers part. EQ2 was not a Vanguard launch.
 

 

You do your fair share of painting EQ2s standard as being one of "good performance" while laying the blame at the poster feet for problems with "his system" and somehow not the faults of the game.  Do you even know what kind of system he has? 

 

As for EQ2 release not being rushed, I will let John Smedleys words prove my point.  I was there also.

""[We're] refocusing SOE on high quality and not rushing releases," said of his coming crop of games. They learned many valuable lessons from EverQuest II and its head-to-head competition against World of Warcraft. Fact was, while both games did rather well, WoW had the budget, time and polish that EverQuest II did not. What's more, EQII was the first attempt at an MMO sequel, a mistake Smedley readily admits."

www.warcry.com/articles/view/interviews/2301-John-Smedley-Exclusive-Interview-with-the-SOE-CEO

 

You are welcome to your opinion of course.   The numerous core system redesigns the game underwent speak against your views of the smooth unrushed launch.  Technology choices aside.

 

P.S. the rating system on this site might as well be an indicator of which games have the most people looking to play something else since that is why most people are here in the first place.

I do not need to know what system he has I never put his system down. Where in your highlight do I say the poster's system was sub par? I said the performance was subpar on his system not all systems. He was clearly telling the OP don't try the game since it performs poorly. I am saying it performs great on many systems. How many times do you need to read that I said, EQ2 does not work on a lot of systems and some good ones. However it likes mine. I never said it performed well on all or most systems. Do you understand? You might want to reread it.  I am responding to are blanket posts claiming EQ2 performs poorly. 1000s will disagree. I never once said his system was no good or subpar.

Totally disagree with your comment on the ranking here but that is another topic. I come here to talk about mmos not because I am looking for something new to play. Smedely's comment clearifies some thoughts on EQ2 but I was in beta and launch. The launch was one of the smoothest in any mmo I have played. That is my experience. I also have never claim EQ2 was perfect. SOE not having forsite as to the direction tech would go is obvious based on the CPU heavy design. I said the poor design had nothing to do with being rush. It was simple a poor choice and yes that is an opinion.

Try rereading my posts I never praised SOE design of EQ2 ever here or any other post. I responded with my experience including screenshot that EQ2 does perform really well and looks good dispite its poor design. You keep responding as if I was defending SOE or somehow putting down the posters system never did either. I even said he had legitimate complaints. You obviously do not like EQ2, so much so that you are not really reading what I wrote in reguards to  UbahNecro's post. Smedly and ranking system are other issues. However I read the complete article and you are using it a bit out of context and the article is really about a different topic. It is interesting and does support your opinon some what. The only reason the ranking system was mention was to point out a lot of people like the game and it was not dead as UbahNecro claims. You see I want people to try mmos and decide for themselves. Not avoid them based on issues that are user based or biased because the user never really got to try the game to it's fullest. In this case it was performance that may have gotten in the way of that experience. Here is my quote "Even with your other legitimate complaints you may have given EQ2 more of a chance had it performed better for you".
 

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by eccoton

Originally posted by UbahNecro

No. Me and my roomate tried it as new players for the Living Legacy promotion (they gave me 2 months of EQ2 free on my old EQ account...) and we quit within 3 weeks.

Starting a new character is pretty much dead in the new areas (I got up to level 30 or so, and him up to level 20 or so on his toon).

It was not fun, and the performance of the game was not up to par with the others that I've played/are playing.

Vanguard is much worse than EQ2. Don't even bother with it. It's trash.

 

I won't argue your opinion on game. I disagree and love the game. I will however question the highlighted lines above. EQ2's performance is fantastic. What you are really saying is, it's performance on your system is not up to par. EQ2 is one of the best looking and performing mmos out. If you have the system that it likes. I say "that it likes" because not always the best system gets good results with EQ2. It loves my system so for me it far above par in it's performance. Below is a game play screenshot. With that look and, at 1920 x 1080 rez, I maintain 45 to 70 fps and 30 to 40 fps in raids. It is to bad you can not enjoy EQ2 in it's full glory on your system. Even with your other legitimate complaints you may have given EQ2 more of a chance had it performed better for you.

 

 

Lets not try to blame the games performance on the players please.  Even the devs admit that the engine by its very nature isn't designed well.  The graphics draw resources from the CPU instead of the GPU and it doesn't exploit multicore processors.  The game was rushed to market and the overall engine has suffered as a result of that on several levels.

 

It would be fair to say some people can get the game to run and look nice, but that isn't by any means the norm.  The first thing most new players ask is how to tune the game so it runs decent.   Turn off this, scale down that, etc.  My computer is not top of the line, but it is no slouch either.  Far far far better than it was 4 years ago and the game still stutters and spits in places it should not.  Other games with similar levels of graphics don't do this for me.

It does take fine screenshots though, but "best performing" is not something that is typically associated with the game.

 

 

 

Well I never blamed anyone for anything. I also never said good performance was the norm. I was pointing out the misleading statement about the performance. It was stated as if everyone has that problem. You should also notice I point out the fact the game was not optimized for the masses by my comment  about "if you have a system that it likes".  hardly an endorsement for the best optimized game. I also mention that some top systems can not get good performance. Yes, it would be fair to say some get the game to look and perform nice. That is exactly what I said. I also said it was to bad he/she could not get that performance with his/hers computer. So again who was I blaming? Your comment about it taking a nice screenshot is a nice dig but in the case of 1000's players the game is much more then a fine screenshot. It is a fine mmo experience. Not sure if "best performing" is or is not typically associated with EQ2. However a deep, fun, polished, quality experience is typically associated with this game by 1000s of its players including myself. EQ2 is in the top 10 rankings at number 3 here at mmorpg.com for a reason.

PS-  I was there at launch EQ2 was not rushed to the market. It had a very smooth launch. The developers made a bad choice in thinking that technology was going to go more into processors for gaming instead of the video card boom that came instead. It had nothing to do with it being rushed to the market. It was simply a bad call on the developers part. EQ2 was not a Vanguard launch.
 

Originally posted by Villakoira

Originally posted by eccoton

Originally posted by Villakoira

I think so - but I'm unsure of the game's population in the future. A lot of people were turned off by Rise of Kunark, and may not look back when The Shadow Odyssey is released - will the game collapse? I don't know, really. A lot of people are acting like Chicken Little ingame, though.

The game itself is pretty solid with PVE, though.

 

I play on two servers and no one on mistmoore or bayles is acting like chicken little. Also there are these ridiculous statements about how no one like Rise of Kunark. Villakoira did not like it and I am sure a few more did not like it. However to make statements like, a lot of people did not like it, are not true. Kunark was not as impressive as Echoes but it was a good expansion that added ton's of new stuff to do and is very fun. Despite what some claim here the game is alive and well lots of players on my servers and EQ2 is going to be around for years.

The only EQ2-based forum I post on is EQ2Flames, which has a huge dislike of RoK, so that's typically where I get that expansion.

The chicken littles are spread out on all servers, they're usually from more hardcore raiding guilds. /shrug

I would not judge something based on eq2flames. I go there myself at times. You do know that eq2flames is by design a place for negaltive comments on eq2. I do not think eq2flames even closely represents the eq2 player base. You also clearify the chicken little comment. Again hardcore raiding guilds do not represent the broader EQ2 community. Your clarifying those two points gives more understanding to why you have the opinion you do.

For me when an expansion comes out I play it for what it is, not how it compares to an earlier expansion. I also do not judge it on what I wanted. I judge it for what it is and what the developers present to us. I found RoK interesting with a lot of new things to experience, fun enviroments, a new city with cool player housing, and tons of new quests. It was not perfect also not as impressive as EoF but nonetheless a good expansion.

Originally posted by UbahNecro

No. Me and my roomate tried it as new players for the Living Legacy promotion (they gave me 2 months of EQ2 free on my old EQ account...) and we quit within 3 weeks.

Starting a new character is pretty much dead in the new areas (I got up to level 30 or so, and him up to level 20 or so on his toon).

It was not fun, and the performance of the game was not up to par with the others that I've played/are playing.

Vanguard is much worse than EQ2. Don't even bother with it. It's trash.

I won't argue your opinion on game. I disagree and love the game. I will however question the highlighted lines above. EQ2's performance is fantastic. What you are really saying is, it's performance on your system is not up to par. EQ2 is one of the best looking and performing mmos out. If you have the system that it likes. I say "that it likes" because not always the best system gets good results with EQ2. It loves my system so for me it far above par in it's performance. Below is a game play screenshot. With that look and, at 1920 x 1080 rez, I maintain 45 to 70 fps and 30 to 40 fps in raids. It is to bad you can not enjoy EQ2 in it's full glory on your system. Even with your other legitimate complaints you may have given EQ2 more of a chance had it performed better for you.

Originally posted by Villakoira

I think so - but I'm unsure of the game's population in the future. A lot of people were turned off by Rise of Kunark, and may not look back when The Shadow Odyssey is released - will the game collapse? I don't know, really. A lot of people are acting like Chicken Little ingame, though.

The game itself is pretty solid with PVE, though.

I play on two servers and no one on mistmoore or bayles is acting like chicken little. Also there are these ridiculous statements about how no one like Rise of Kunark. Villakoira did not like it and I am sure a few more did not like it. However to make statements like, a lot of people did not like it, are not true. Kunark was not as impressive as Echoes but it was a good expansion that added ton's of new stuff to do and is very fun. Despite what some claim here the game is alive and well lots of players on my servers and EQ2 is going to be around for years.

Originally posted by meltphaces

I played the game for the better part of a year a few years back.. and the came back and tried it again a year ago for the new content and races and AA stuff, and found it fun but eventually gave it up for WoW, then later decided to quit WoW until WOTLK and tried out LOTRO, and now recently grew tired of that.

So, i'm in MMO Limbo right now looking for a new game, and if I can't decide on one, may very well go back to playing single-player RPG's like Baldur's Gate and Fallout until something new comes out. That brings us to the question, is EQ2 honestly worth coming back to now? This latest 'expansion' doesnt look like an expansion to me, but more like a paid content patch.. no new races or classes or professions, probably no new content for people under 70 too from the looks of it. perhaps they're planning on unleashing a real expansion in the next 6 months cause they don't want to do it now with stiff competition from new WoW, LOTRO, WAR and others coming out before christmas?

Anyway,.I know a lot of people posting here are either going to be a fan of the game in question or hate it, but if anyone can give me an unbiased opinion i'd appreciate it. Would I realistically be able to re-start with EQ2 now and not feel overwhelming temptation to quit again 1-2 months later for something new? Or better yet, how many of you playing EQ2 are planning to drop it by the end of the year for a new game or expansion?

 

Edit: I'm actually debating between EQ2 and trying out Vanguard now.. anyone played both and have an opinion?

EQ2 is alive and well and most certianly worth playing. Is it worth your returning to? That is a totally different question since you yourself have tried it more then once already. It has evolved into a fantastic game dispite what a few say here. I have learned that many who respond to game questions do not even play the game. With that said do not listen to the detractors. The history of my posts here at mmorpg.com will be evidence to my rounded unbiased view of games even those I hate or love. So no fanboi crap please.

I defend EQ2 because it is the best show in town at the moment for an adventure quest based mmo. There is plenty of new content for players just beginning. There are plenty of players to group with in game. There are plenty of solo content if that is your thing. Also your old characters will be waiting for you ready to go. So you can pickup where you left off and explore the huge amount of new content.

You ask who is planning to drop game by end of year for something new. Well not me. I will be playing EQ2 until they turn out the lights. That does not mean I will not play or try other mmos. Or even like one better. I am play WAR at the moment. It is a very fun interesting game but will not even come close to getting me to leave EQ2. WoTLH will not draw me away either. I am a vet of WoW almost 4 years of play. I loved WoW however it never got me to close my EQ2 account. My WoW account has been cancelled and I have no desire to try WoTLH. I will be playing other game possible WAR but I will also be playing EQ2 as my main game. I have been in EQ2 for almost 4 years and while I have taken breaks from the game it has never bored me or lost my interest.

As far as Vanguard is concerned that is very hard to answer. I actually play both vanguard and EQ2 but not much Vanguard anymore. I am going to close my account. You probably know all about it's rocky history and poor launch. The game has gotten much better and might be worth a look. However, it is still dogged with many issues from game stability, bugs and very low populations. I can see Vanguard had huge potential and even with SOE's work I do not think it will ever reach it's possibilities. If you got a really good stable system Vanguard might be worth a look. If a solid, well polished, good performance, deep adventure mmo is what you really want then most definetly come back to EQ2. If it has been awhile since you played you will find tons of new stuff to try out.

My honest opinion is EQ2 is a fantastic game well worth the time put into it. If you explore all it's game play possibilities you will find many things to keep you interested. EQ2 is casual and hardcore friendly. Checkout my sticky on how to adjust EQ2's graphic settings to get a great look even on a lesser system. EQ2 looks great plays great and come on back. 

Originally posted by neonwire

Why dont you be honest with yourself Exavus. The reason you are unsure about what game to play is simply because you dont particularly want to play any of them. Lets face it none of the mmos currently available are particularly good games. The only way you can enjoy them is to distract yourself from the low quality of the game itself by chatting to other players.

Unless you enjoy killing 20 rats so you can find a page in a book.......or maybe helping Wizzle Fizzlepop bake a cake by killing 10 badgers takes your fancy.......or how about killing 10 mouldy skeletons so Jeremey Blimplop can make a nice necklace out of their teeth. Oh what fun.

Then again you could just go and watch kids morning television programmes. Afterall its where SOE got their inspiration from

Ridiculous, because you mention a few names like blimplop and fizzlepop does not give this response credibility. EQ2 has more fun and interesting things to do then, find a page, or kill a rat. If you truely play EQ2 you know this to be totally false.
 

Here is another "there are no good mmos out" post. My question to you is why do you post at mmorpg.com if there are not good mmos in your opinion, seems like a waste of your time. Good mmos: WoW, EQ2, Eve, LoTRO, Lineage II, Guild Wars, CoH/CoV, DaOC, Ryzom, Final Fantasy XI, Everquest , Asheron's Call, and more. You might find a site that offers you game discussions on a game genre you like.

I respond in this way to make sure people wanting to try EQ2 get the truth about the game. EQ2 is deep has tons of unique things to do in game, EQ2 has fantastic world events, there is a really fun one going on right now. EQ2 is not perfect however it is not a saturday morning cartoon and is worth a look. Try the trial make up your own mine and dismiss these ridiculous post that are really nothing more then SOE bashings.

The overall state of mmos is great more choices then ever. The future looks bright for this genre. With more choice comes more failures but also comes fantastic games. EQ2 is one of them.

So far I am loving this update. So many people claim EQ2 is in survival mode, well it isn't. EQ2 has some of the best game updates in the buisness.

Originally posted by Jeff44

I just checked with SOE and they informed me that although they have been working on the new expansion for nearly a year, with some features taking much more time than that, they have decided that in order to maintain some sort of profit percentage in their business they will not offer either EQ2 or the new expansion for sale. When asked why, they called this concept the "Minimum intelligence barrier" approach to MMORPG marketing.

So nope. Sorry.

No more copies of EQ2 or the expansion for sale.

Ever.

Really.

Look! There is something shiny over there!

Move along, now.

 

The fine print:

The upcoming expansion will include all previous versions and expansions of the game. If the game cannot be found currently on game store shelves locally, it is available for download online, as is a free trial. Please always remember to use the internet responsibly. Apa ratings may not reflect your actual milage. Prices may vary.

LMAO

Originally posted by Zakavar

Thanks for the guide. :D  I'm actually redownloading the game right now due to a mysterious 30 additional days of game time. XD

Good luck and I hope this helps some.

Originally posted by Qeynosus

 

looking for a  ghost warg, ( either the blue or red, dont matter)

legend of norrath  in game loot card

I will pay up to 10 plat for one

 

Probably are going to fork over a lot more then 10 plat for that one. A lot more.