All Posts by Size-Twelve

God the OP is such a baby. It's a team game. People need to put themselves out there more and organize parties, and communicate.

It takes coordination to take a keep, or run a PQ. In FFXI people used to sit at the entrance to zones and shout for Parties all day. You couldn't even level without a good party. When have you ever tried shouting for group at a PQ or Warcamp? My guess is people are crying without ever having even TRIED organizing anything.

In Tier 4 you can't capture a city without taking control of 2 of the 3 Tiers. Holding Keeps is a big part of that, and once we have people at endgame trying to take cities, we're going to need more World RvR. Right now, the game is still maturing.

It's a good system, but you have to give it time. Two freaking weeks of a full on PvP leveling system + decent quests, good guild features, and a well-balanced class setup and people are STILL crying. Just shutup already.

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Originally posted by Blodpls

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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

You guys are judging RvR waaaaaaay to early. Waite till the majority of players hit 40 + and start making alts.
 
Everyone playing is doing nothing but exploring the game, checking/feeling out classes, and leveling. Things will start to happen later, when people make alts and groups speficialy for RvR, start using tatics, and the guild systems ETC...

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How long are you guys gonna keep saying this for? Another week? A Month? A year?
It's been released for nearly a month now, that's more than enough time for people to get a feel for the game.
Endgame is here.
Telling people to wait does not cut it anymore.

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Yeah, I agree. I think this game is a blast right now. I'm not sure if you guys are guilded or not, but we don't seem to find a lack of World PvP on Averheim. Once the largest part of a faction levels outside a Tier the World PvP can drop off, but up until then, the RvR is pretty intense.

I also like Scenarios as a break, and so far I've enjoyed them all. I think this game is fun, so maybe if you think it's boring this is not the right game for you? I know that probably sucks to hear since there's not alot to choose from if you've been following MMO's for a while, but I think the game is pretty great.

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Originally posted by Mcpoopypants
WAR has who beat??? Noone...
Your competative yet play an easy-mode mmo?? hmmm

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Go back to school kid.

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Originally posted by romanswinter
 Well... we have truly and officially passed the torch to the next generation. I honestly never thought I would see the day where someone was comparing WOW to another game and explaining how WOW offers quests and gameplay that is difficult to the point where achievment is satisfying...
 
...Wow is a kiddie game, and WAR is a kiddie game to. Its like trying to determine what game is more sophisticated Candy Land or Hungry Hungry Hippos. Just enjoy the game for what its worth, when it becomes boring then move along. I like WARs PvP and think that is what will define it when the hype is over. 

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Wow, I couldn't disagree more. I'm 31, and I feel now more than ever these games are being designed with my age group in mind. The developers back then are the same ones around today, but the difference is all of us have less free time, lol.

It's cool being part of the gaming generation, but I think many of us woke up at some point and began to ask, "but what are these achievements actually worth? So what if I accomplished a new level, or won a belt, or defeated a dragon. Where does that get me?"

You can't call your mom, or your dad, or your wife and tell her about your new level. The sense of accomplishment over the goals inside the game are hollow. You aren't learning a new skill, or carrying any of these achievements over into your real life. It's all just a game.

I just think the genre is just evolving to the point where we recognize this.

The OP brought up some really good points in a non-inflammatory way, kudos to you. I am having a really good time in WAR though.

I like that PvP is the endgame in WAR whereas Raiding is the endgame in WoW. I also like how WAR ramps up. I wasn't as immediately drawn into the Warhammer universe as I was in WoW, but it's getting more and more interesting over time. In WoW I sort of fell out of love slowly as the time investment grew.

I think comparing animations is a little premature, but I do agree WoW's combat is a little more immediately satisfying while WAR's is more strategic. Solid post though.

I see WAR growing in numbers actually. It's a game that just keeps getting better as you level. I quit WoW for 3 months after hitting level 59 with my first character. It was just burning me out with all the instances, and gear grind, and Tarren Mill zergfests.

WAR seems to be the opposite. I'm levelling while I'm PvPing. My guild is getting cooler stuff just hitting Rank 12. Keeps are starting to get contested heavily, and soon Guilds are going to be able to claim them.

People are just now starting to run the instances inside Altdorf, and the RvR lakes are ramping up in their intensity. It's also not hard to get a second character to Rank 40 to help out, but you'll have to pick and choose which ones you want to get to RR80 and whatever benefits that brings.

I dunno, I've never seen an MMO quite like this one. So far it just seems to be getting better.

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Originally posted by Nikoz78

Ask any longtime Warhammer fan (talking about the 25 year old table top RPG) what they think of Warhammer Online. In fact, head over the the Warhammer PnP forums and take a look.
This game is just one more nail in the coffin of what used to be MMORPG's. The folks who's first experience was World of Warcraft will never understand.

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Whoa, whoa where are you finding this? Warhammer is a tabletop game first of all not a PnP, and the vast majority of posts on the regular RPG forums have been really positive. Do you have a direct link?

Beyond that, Warhammer is a game first and foremost. Part of it's identity is that it doesn't take itself too serious. It is somehow both strangely addicting without stealing away with your real life.

If you are looking for an escapist virtual WORLD where you can put more effort into your character's development than you do your own, Warhammer is not it. You'll never forget you're playing a game for the fun of it, and I personally like it that way.

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Originally posted by dreamer05
First of all sorry if this has already been posted but I looked far back and couldn't find anything.
So basically I am interested in public quests, I have looked up the information but still have questions.  First of all I am a rank 7 high elf archmage.  Can I only do pqs in the elf lands or can I do them in the human lands as well? Also where do you go to find them, to join or start one?  Also is there some kind of auto group function I heard about?  Thanks for any help you can give!
 

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Beyond what everyone else mentioned yeah you can do every PQ for order. They are grouped by Chapter, and each chapter has different rewards. The only way to discover them is by exploring, although most are either right along main pathways or you are sent to them by a quest.

You can search for Open Parties in your area by clicking the little round icon below your picture in-game. It'll show a list of open parties, as well as how far away each party is, and what they are focusing on.

Influence Rewards get better and better with level, and each Race has different rewards for each chapter. It's worth it especially after Tier 2 to go to the other races Chapters and see if there are Elite Influence rewards there you can use.

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Originally posted by x_rast_x
To be honest, I think it's a good thing that this game knows who its target audience is and is sticking to them.
To me, it seems, the biggest reason games are failing left and right lately is because they try to be all things to all people and end up failing everyone in the attempt.

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Yeah I agree 100%. Aion is definitely not for me, but I can at least know that for sure, and save myself the money.

They're building a game that they think has appeal, and does have appeal to a certain segment of players and are sticking to it. More developers should go this route, instead of trying to please all of the people all of the time.

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Originally posted by bigplanet
yea. classes in this game are boring.  I can't find 1 that i like. I feel i'll be leaving after 1st month because of that.

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You know, there is some truth to this. I don't agree that this is a drawback necessarily, but Warhammer classes do have a similar feel.

I think it's because Mythic is so focused on getting a good foundation for balance; a go-to formula that they can go back to should they mess something up in the future. The combat overall is great. It's fun, team-based, and just a blast, but unfortunately we did give up some individuality in the classes.

Bumped just in case anyone wanted a last comparison before this thread dies.

I'd have to say from being on the business end, Marauders toss out some crazy DPS. They can bring our healers down from full to 0 fast if no one's paying attention. Witch elves definitely too.

Sorcoress has some great burst too, but for some reason just doesn't seem as nasty as a Marauder.

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Originally posted by //\\//\\oo
I've read through all of this garbage and nobody has explicitly said how WAR's combat is any different than WoW's. The irony is that, regardless of the strategy and tactics involved, each player's biggest PvP experience will come from the combat itself and the PvP outcomes will be determined by each player's combat prowess.
Every time somebody asks for specifics they are given "don't compare it to WoW" garbage and other copouts that really make it frustrating for the curious gamer.

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Well maybe you will read this far in moo. If not, I tried.

** A few big differences are limited CC. No class is able to stunlock / fear / CC a class to death. You have knockbacks, knockdowns, roots, and snares maximum 6 second duration, and I've never seen an incapacitate. You are always in control of your actions. **

** Siege warfare. You can purchase, use, and operate weapons of mass destruction in-game. Cannons, catapults, boiling oil, rams. They are like mini-games that occur in real time. You get to fire weapons at your enemy if they get too close to acamp, use a battering ram with a group of people to smash down keep doors, and dump boiling oil on those same people when on defense. **

** Collision detection. Although still in it's early stages it is definitely present. You can stop crazy DPS classes like Witch Elves and Marauders from attacking your priests and casters by forming a wall of tanks. Further, some classes have abilities that allow them to hurdle, or rush through opposing players to get behind them.**

** You have a few extra combat options like "tactics" and "morale abilities". Tactics are abilities that are always on and always with you. You can check them out individually at Wardb Basically each class will earn around 20-30 tactics throughout their career, but the kicker is you only have 4 slots, so you need to pick carefully which tactics you bring with you, and when.**

** Morale abilities can only be used after building up morale. You build up morale by surviving in combat. The more morale you build up generally the more powerful ability you can use. You can opt to use a Tier 1 morale ability as soon as it builds up, or you can wait and opt to use a Tier 2, Tier 3, or Tier 4 morale ability. Like tactics you can only have 4 equipped, but can train, earn, and purchase many more. **

** This game is built on rock, paper, scissors. Unlike WoW, it is quite possible to run into your anti-class and have a very difficult time killing them even with better gear, and a level advantage. This is because WAR was designed as a team based game, and balanced around groups of people. They assume that 1 on 1 matches in this game will be limited. **

** There are no mana or rage bars in WAR. You have Action Points that constantly refill like a WoW Rogue's energy bar. Every class has this, and many classes have ways to recharge it when it's low. **

** Everyone gets a flee ability to use every 60 seconds. It drains all your action points, but allows you a burst of speed to escape from a pursuer. That said, it is still harder to escape from someone in WAR than it was in WoW. When you get below about 10% health you are crippled, and walk slowly. All classes have some form of ranged, and some hit for increased damage when you are low on health and running away. **

** Finally the contribution of each player is improved in WAR from WoW. Abilities like Taunt which used to be PvE only in other games, work in PvP in WAR. Tanks get contribution points not just for doing damage, but from taking it. Healers can easily top leaderboards casting only heals, and obviously DPS can get points from damage. **

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Originally posted by Hoobla.Dan
How are they? I've only gotten to take a stab at one once while at Comic-Con, and it's what I'm hoping to play!
At Comic-Con I noticed that, if I was careful, I could turn (or maybe just tip) the tide of the entire scenario by supporting my team well, and the lack of stun-lock or silence on me seemed to make this job very executable and enjoyable.
So... people that have played them more... how are they?

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It's my favorite class. They have good survivability, and great healing. Their damage is also very good early on, but from what I've read it dies off in the 20-30 range until you can pick up some damage mastery abilities.

I've heard though that once 40, they are again good damage, and excellent healing. One of my closed- beta guildies said they were probably one of the most well developed classes in the whole game, and from what I've seen so far, I have no reason to doubt him.

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Originally posted by Nans1

 
I am one of those that don`t see the differences.
Any "grinding for pvp gear game" with no death penalty is gonna get once you do it a number of times.
No death penalty = no fear of dying = farming.
Be ready to see those AV afkers again in WAR when people start to realize they need some sort of pvp points they can get while watching a movie becouse dying means nothing (just rez and back to fight).

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I think the /afk problem will be better than it was in WoW. First, Renown Points are contribution based, if you do nothing or come in late, you don't get very many. Second you need to win to gather Victory Points for your realm. That's how the capital city gets sieged, and the final instance opens.

Edit: Point being you can /afk and still get Epics in WoW, you can /afk in Warhammer and be lucky to get greens.

Bump because this is the only discussion going on like this right now, and it shouldn't be on page 10.

I think WAR is going to round up and consolidate a lot of players floating around between MMO's. It'll soak up AoC's players, Vanguard's, our guild has a few from LotRO and Tabula Rasa, and also those messing around with the free-to-plays.

As far as WoW though, I predict a fairly painful hit to Blizzard. The hardcore raiders will stay in WoW, but people fed up with PvP balance, and grind issues will come to stay in WAR.

WoW and WAR combined though will pretty much crush everything else.

Roll Destruction if you don't want to be outnumbered 2:1

-NVM it is beta-

Hey all, simple poll here. I lost touch with a Linkshell (guild) back on FFXI before WoW came out. It wasn't big or anything but we had fun, and it was my first MMO. I've always wished I would have kept some contact info so that maybe we could have hooked up in WoW or some other game, and it got me wondering if anyone else has ever been in that situation.

What do you think?