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Um, you get what you pay for (most of the time)

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Originally posted by Pham_Trinli

"Earth and Beyond".... "Beyond" what?? With the amount of content most companies put into a game taking place solely on 1 planet their "Galaxy" was sorely lacking.

I disagree. It was congested, but I didn't find it "sorely lacking". But hey, if we all like the the same game, then most companies wouldn't be in business

One of the things I did not like about this game is that you couldn't go down on a planet and land your ship and walk around, battle enemies on the ground with your character/develop character etc.

Um, you could land on some planets. You could walk around and interact with other players. You couldn't battle while in this mode, but if I wanted to do that, I'd be playing WOW..............

Another thing I was hoping for in this game was to see a type of ship development similar to the "MOO" series but implemented on a MMO scale.

Can't argue here. Ship developemnt/customization was limited at best.

If they are to make an E&B 2 I sincerely hope they put in some of the things mentioned above.

/Agree but I don't want to fight on planets - too many games out like that already.

However, knowing EA - I seriously doubt that they will have the insight or creativity required for such an endeavor. It seems to me all they care about is making a few bucks off the initial hype of their games.

I could not agree with you more! EA is going to be screwed when Madden takes a dirt nap.

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Ok I'll bite - I'm bored.

Favorite was Earth and Beyond (the community really made that game for me)

Least favorite is Eve - never felt so alone in an MMORPG before in my life. Not to mention, there was nothing to do but mine...

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Originally posted by ghostinfinit
The Sims?

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Didn't you know? All MMORPGS are fantasy (well almost). But I have no clue what's good and free. You get what you pay for....

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Originally posted by Steelarm011

I have been playing MMO's for about 5-6 years now, my first one being the old old Asheron's Call. Ever since seeing it in the library, I have known this new breed of games for a very long time. But things have changed. Ive played almost all MMO's, ranging from Neocron to the latest, World of Warcraft.

I have been reading a topic in this same forum about how MMO's devs are bending their backs to carebears and its ruining games. Well guess what? The guy who posted that is not that far off. The PVP in games vs PVE is only part of the problem. Its more of the whole game, the mechanics and the gameplay. I'm not going to go through the list of games that are on the market today with all of you becuase I'm sure you've played them all or at least know about them. There are alot of things that devs have dissassembeled from the "oldschool" games that really made them exciting and fun. But then developers started deviating away. and I saw the fun stripped from the games. Let me sum the problems up as they seemed to occur:

The FIRST BIG, HORRIBLE, DEATHLY THING THAT WENT WRONG: CLASSES

Whoever the hell thought that the class system that was implemented should be shot. Well okay, not to that extreme. Some games are pretty fun with classes. The general idea as everyone knows is the integration of teamwork. That one class, such as the warrior who is good at fighting and taking hits, groups up with the priest who heals him. We all know the deal here. Youre given a set of classes to choose from at the start of the game. Some games let you branch off, some don't. But theres the general idea that once you pick it, thats the class your stuck with. Thats your job. Well guess what? It gets boring. Boring. I get tiredof hacking away, at healing. Now someone would say okay - create a new character. Well like the majority of people who play MMO's, I'm a casual gamer. I dont have 6 hours a day to go and play for 3 hours on one character and then 3 on another. And as we all know, it takes alot of time to advance your character in an MMO.

The class system offers RESTRICTIONS. NO CUSTIMIZATION. I remember back when playing AC there were no classes. I could pick my stats and skills at the start of the game as I chose. It was fun as hell. I had my own character. When you leveled up, if i remember correctly, you could put points into skills or into your stats. And you could put pts into any skill you chose. I didn't feel like I'm the 16th priest on the field in WoW, with the same skills and the SAME spells as my counterparts. Ooo, wow, theres a TALENT TREE. But really, then what? theres a couple good "templates" you could use on the character. Everything else pretty much stinks. You are not unique. Your the same character with the same skills.

A conversation could go like this:

"So, what kind of warrior are you?"

"I'm a prot warrior." "I'm a fury warrior" "I'm an arms warrior"

And dont give me that "hybrid" crap. If you pick a hybrid, they either just plain suck or you choose to specialize in one area and you stay in that area. And then you still suck a little.

And uhh...guess what folks? Thats it. Your not unique, youre the same damn class as everyone else. Thats your job. What about teamwork? Theres always going to be teamwork in an MMO - the devs dont need to spoon feed it to us in the form of classes, we can do it on our own. Im not a baby, I'm a gamer. If anything, classes breed the opposite of teamwork. If you ask to be in a group, you have to meet the qualifications. If you don't, well - hah...sucks to be you.

The SECOND BIG, HORRIBLE THING THAT'S WRONG: MECHANICS AND THE ALMIGHTY GRIND

Now I know all of you are reading this and saying - "well what does this nut mean by mechanics?" I'll tell ya. I can fall alseep sitting at my computer playing DAOC. This is how you go - point, click on your enemy, click on the attack button. woooo. use the arrows keys. Theres absoulutely no skill involved. Point and click, point and click. Kudos to the attack move line. Special attack 1 - Special attack 2.  No twitch, no FPS, no dodging attacks manually. What about running? everyone runs and jumps at the same speed and height? What the hell is that? If I want to run faster, whats to stop me? Its not fun. I get bored and its simply NOT fun. I PLAY GAMES TO HAVE FUN. MMO'S ARE NOT REALLY FUN. They feel like WORK. when messaging, I get alot of "Oh I gotta go grind again...yeah I know it sucks...I gotta get that Super axe tho." and crap like that. Your not having fun. How can you have fun repeatdly killing a monster over and over in the same darn spot? I used t sit by the computer screen for hours in WoW trying to get that 2% drop from a monster. Wow, what a waste of my life. And that brings me to my next point. The grind.

We all know that theres a ton of players playing MMO's and some of them are die hard hardcore, and if we let the game become too easy they will advance too far. But games are made to be so hard that for us casual gamers we have to spend all our time online just grinding trying to get to max leve. I'll share with you a secret: I never reached max level in a MMO before. got to 48 in DAOC, 59 in WoW. After all that killing I couldnt take it anymore. Fun along the way - I did try to have fun, but if I did, I eneded up not gaining exp and falling behind withs ome of my other friends. But why are we trying to get to max level in the first place? Becuase alot of us are convinced that in endgame its pretty darn fun. And it probably is. No one wants to spend time under the max level. Lets think for a moment: in the general course of an MMO' your character is fairly weak throughout the entire game. Youre money supply is low, your items arent that great. I remember it used to be fun under max level. Your skills and spells still kicked ass at level 40 than at level 70. You would earn expierience while having fun. While pvping. And yes, that goes to our last and final big mistake.

The THIRD, FINAL, BIG TERRIBLE TERRIBLE AAHHH MISTAKE: PVP ( and we all know third time's a charm )

What the heck happened to pvp back in UO and AC? Ohhh man, that stuff was FUN. I remember AC darktide pvp server - pure pvp. Pure ownage, pure fun. You could pvp someone anywhere, any time. There were of course timers on after your rezzed to be protected, but thats reasonable. You could kill someone and freakin loot their items. It was fun, it was thrilling. It offered something different than boring PVE. You could go out on groups with your friends and gang up on another rival clan.

Now pvp is a joke. Carebears have really watered down pvp...and its sad. Even just NORMAL death - its not exciting and scary. When I was in AC, when you died, you dropped some items and your stats went down to be restored - that was scary. Even in DAOC, when you died you lost exp and a stat point - not too bad but still. Now in WoW, when you die, you become a ghost. WOW - im scared. In the so called "pvp" servers in WoW, there are pvp zones. In normal servers theres no pvp at all. THERES A FREAKIN WAR GOING ON!!!! IM NOT GOING TO WAIT FOR YOU TO BLAST ME FIRST - I'M GONNA TRY TO KILL YOU WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. Give me a freakin break. Its a joke. I need to be teleported to a bg? Just let me run into their town in m rogue and gank them. And let me loot them. This isnt real pvp, its all fake.

And for all you carebears who watered it down, good job. You took out all the fun. Let me ask you this. what are you going to do when you hit MAX LEVEL, MAX STATS, MAX ITEMS ETC? After you spent 500000 hours behind a computer screen, and theres no competition, now what? You sit on your butt and pick your nose? Probably. Theres NO FUFILLMENT after killing a bunch of AI monsters spawned by a system. Congrats, you win the PVE award. Whoop dee doo.

So what am I suggesting? The devs to take a look at what they have done to MMO's. They arent games - look at SWG. SWG its a joke. Its a - to quote an old friend of mine "a glorified chat server". The devs should take a look at the old UO, AC, Neocron and others where theres skill involved. Its not a test of who can farm better. In AC you had to contest with running speed, jump height, if you could dodge spells - more than just items. You could even modify your attack bar to how fast or how powerful you attack with your weapon. Look at DAOC - another joke. DAOC became a game of elitists to see who had more buffbots before Mythic opened their eyes up to see the monstrosity they created.

I want custom, your own UNIQUE characters back, games that involve skill, I want real, exiciting pvp back and most of all, I want something thats fun. Cause right now, if I log back on to WoW, I have to go to "work". and Games arent work. At least, they shouldnt be.

 

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What next upcoming MMORPG do you see possibly sweeping the market?

None - for instance, WOW "swept the market" IMO. I don't see any upcoming games doing what WOW did (and no I don't play WOW).

It's all based on what you like. So as far as I'm concerned - none. I'm tired of swinging swords and shooting magic out of my butt......

EVE - hands down

Log on - go mine

Log on - spend hours hunting down players, they warp away and log off

Log on - go mine

Log on - no one else on, nothing to do, log off

Log on - train new skill

Log on - go mine

Log on - no one else on, nothing to do, log off

Rinse - Repeat

Everyone likes different things. Just because this is what you like doesn't mean there aren't any good MMORPG's out there. Personally, I don't want my MMORPG to be more realistic - I have enough realism in my life as it is. Just give me some thing fun.

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Originally posted by Gameloading

I'm getting so sick of people calling each other "carebear" if you want an mmo with nothing else then pvp then go play a FPS, because MMO's clearly aren't your thing.

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I had a LOT of fun in WoW until I hit 60. Again, I say it's the desire to level-up that drives these types of games. Once at 60, I became bored with instance runs and managed PVP so it was back to RL for me.

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Originally posted by BsfAurora

Eve is the game for you. It does have the best PvP that I know of but it is very easy to play the game and never participate in PvP or Pking. Stay in Empire space and if some one declares war on your corp, leave until the war is over.

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OMG I can't pee without losing all my stuff??? This type of game isn't for me but it would garner some interest from some people for sure. I agree with a previous poster - not gonna make a lot (if any) on this type of game though

Does anyone have any evidence that ENB2 might happen? C'mon, there's got to be an EA insider that can either give us a glimpse of hope or squash our optimisitc view on ENB's rebirth....

EEK!!! Sorry I even clicked this topic..... (too political) I had no idea what GLBT even stood for - never heard of it until today. But I can guess now (30-something old ex-WoW player). I learn something new every day

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Originally posted by Lallante

Eve-Online is the highest rated game here.

And yet the review is 2 years and 3 or 4 massive content patches out of date. The news is sparse and outdated, and there is a lack of features.

Why has this game got so little coverage?

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Originally posted by Gooney

-No grinding. I mean it NO GRINDING!!! In real life I dont have to kill 1000 whitetailed deer to grow one year older, or catch 2500 walleyes to gain the ability to drive my boat.  If I do those things Ill get better at them, but come on, Im a human, I learn by observation, practice, and experiance. 

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Originally posted by DarkJace

EVE is an awesome game, but it is true that you won't be as good as the vets until you've put as much time as them into it.

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That's like asking, "Do you like cheese?" Everyone will have their own opinion. Only time will tell.