All Posts by BryanS

Thank you for pointing me in that direction. I did check their forums and found a lot of good info. Arg! Why can't they just make a 5x server like they have in Asia? x_x

Well like I said, she wants to start a kamel ... and she has no left over adena ... so I guess that means she's SOL. :(

Ok, so here's the deal. My wife adores L2. Personally I play WoW, but she has always been an L2 fan. The thing is, she has to actually have a job and so she cannot grind for 4 or 5 hours (or more!) a night. She has been literally drooling over the new Kamel stuffies, though, and is really being tempted to go back in ... but doesn't want to if all that will happen is getting frustrated with the grind once more. If there was some story or quests like WoW it may be easier for her, but the act of farming can become mind-numbingly boring.

So she is just torn on if she should come back or not. I guess the question I have is ... is there anyway to level without just braindead farming so that it doesn't take her a year to get to higher levels?

thanks!

Hello everyone! I'm coming back to L2 after a long absence, read my other post here. I will be starting up tonight hopefully, depending on how long the patch takes, but I want a guild to help me get started again. I am looking for a group of people that understand there might be 4 or 5 nights in a row sometimes (rarely ... most of the time I only have to skip a day or two) where I can not come on due to work and other things, but that I will play alot and that I will contribute to the group as much as I can. Anyone out there up for helping a newbie be all that she can be? :)

Morri

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Originally posted by shae

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Originally posted by BryanS

Thank you for your very informative and well thought out post. It's always nice to encounter someone else who can write in complete sentances on a forum. :) Just kidding everybody. *looks franticly left and right while giggling nervously* Anyway, thanks again. Just one question, though. Have you ever played RFO and if so, what didn't you like about it?

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Morri

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My pleasure to help any way I can Morri.

I have played RFO but I will admit my experience is not extensive. My guy bought it in hopes of having a game to play when not quite feeling the "want" to log into Eve so we both gave it a good try for 2 months, the 30 day free up + 1 payed month to get it a fair shot for patches/what not.

I've seen alot of comments referring RFO as an L2 clone and while I don't completely agree, it's not hard to see why that comment would come to mind. Where RFO failed for me was that it tried to do very little with game play that is inhenrently complex. The 3 faction play is interesting at first but then you start to see that nothing is really done with it other then biased resource warring.

Gameplay also falls pretty short of Lineage2, controls are clunky which I never even thought was possible with point/click type settings, graphically it's very pretty but overall dull environments take away alot of that and where Lineage 2 at least try's to make sense of it's harsh grind, RFO does you no such favor. Get out there and grind, uhmm yeah, because we said so =).

That's great for some people but when there's nothing propping it up and any valid reasoning behind it, you kinda just loose interest. Overall I guess that was my biggest "gripe" with RFO, it has all these really great promises on paper boy do they seem like they could be a real bit of fun but in practise, it's really messy and doesn't hold together very well.

I don't need hand holding myself but I do need a point to be had. And if it makes any difference, my guy felt pretty much the same way except he did admit to having a really good time with the Mech like races and I caught more then a few smiles on face when he was blasting  away at stuff like he was all that or something... /sigh, boys!

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Originally posted by shae

Hiya Morrigan, first welcome to the forums, hope you enjoy.

Thank you very muchly. :)

Then quickly, do you think you can add a couple of paragraphs to your post there, it's a little hard to read all jumbled together like that.

Completely understand ... now you know why people hate reading an e-mail from me. :P Done and done.

As for your answer, well these things can be so subjective, it's hard to really know what someone will enjoy and not enjoy, a good feature for me could be a disaster for you. So with that said, take everything I say with a grain of salt.

Of course. I understand that everyone's experiences will be subjective. However, you get enough subjective experiences together and you can begin to get a general feel for the game. And if people do as good a job as you in explaining their feelings one way or the other, it helps a great deal.

Personally, I'd go with L2 between the two. Some key benefits that I can think of clearly over the other would be things like L2 has been around for awhile now and is more refined and has had 5 solid expansions (chronicles) already gone by. There's alot of material out there to help you get by in terms of guides and how to's, some very large and friendly guilds that will help you along on some servers.

There's also alot to do in L2, between Seven Signs (on going story), Archs, Olympiad, open pvp, castle seiges, guild levling and some quests. There's always one goal of another in L2, whether it's saving enough Adena to get new armor or a weapon, helping a guild friend or getting that next level.

Here's the downsides though, L2 does not, will not and never has held anyone's hand throughout the game. For example, in EQ2 you know at level 20 you have a lvl 20 armor quest, you know that last for 5 to 8 levels, you know by the 30 you need new gear, the quests all baby you through the game, you go step by step until you've reached max level. L2 doesn't, it's open, a little to open for many people and you can get lost fairly easily.

Another bad point, and there's no getting around this. It's a grind, actually scratch that, it's a helluva grind. 1-20 will take you better part of the weekend and you'll get the flow of the game, 20-30 isn't guite so fast but you can still get it done in farily short order, 30-40 and you start to get the idea of what your in for, 40+ and your starting to feel the pain. 50 and 60+ is when you see people start to buckle. It's a rough ride.

I know that there is not alot of hand holding through L2. I played it before and got up to level 10 or so before I got distracted. However, that was during my WoW/FF XI phase and those two were already eating up alot of my time (btw, how is the grind compared to FF XI, another grindtastic game). I think that now I want to "settle down" with just one or two MMORPGs ... prolly L2 or RFO (for serious gaming) and GW/PSU (for putzing around and just goofing off).

The bonus is though compared to other games (this goes for RFO also) is that you don't need to be max level to do fun stuff, CS's and the like. So as long as you go into it knowing full well what your in for then yes, L2 can be a very very fun experience. And I do have to say, although not as much as so other games, there are some fantastic people playing this game and some great community's around some servers.

Thank you for your very informative and well thought out post. It's always nice to encounter someone else who can write in complete sentances on a forum. :) Just kidding everybody. *looks franticly left and right while giggling nervously* Anyway, thanks again. Just one question, though. Have you ever played RFO and if so, what didn't you like about it?

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Sorry ... forgot to add a 5th choice ... so use this as a write in:

5. A series of tubes

Ok, I'll try to make this as simple as possible. My name, online anyway, is Morrigan. I'm posting this using hubby's account, so please forgive the gender confusion I may have caused some of you. :)

Basically I'm an MMO addict. I've played FFXI, EQ, EQ2, GW, WoW, L2, RFO, AL, CoH, CoV, AA, SWG and prolly some other ones that I can't remember right now. I have found over time that the "story based ones" such as EQ and WoW tend to get less and less interesting to me over time becuase a storyline just gets too convoluted after about the 200th quest and such (this is just my own personal feelings and opinion, so please no responses such as "u r los3r! st0ryl1n35 are teh roxxorzzz!!).

I have drifted towards more PvP MMOs such as RFO and AL for now mainly becuase I can get the fun of leveling/customizing my character and having fun with new powers and the like without having to worry about story and also I can go away from the game for a few days (which is a reality ofr me due to work sometimes) and not feel completely lost when I get back (it's very easy to get back into the missions when it is always kill x numbers of y ... cause ... we said so).

Anyway, right now I am trying to decide between RF Online and L2. I would have had ArchLord in the mix, but as I am playing through my free month, the game is so bug ridden and still unpolished that it just turns me off. Will it get better with time? Probably. Do I want to wait for it or would I rather have a game I can play now? Well, I think you know I'm going with the latter.

So, all this blabbering is to come to a very simple question: What are the benefits of L2 over RFO and what are the benefits of RFO over L2? Now I know I am posting this in the L2 forums so there are prolly alot of L2 fans here, but please at least try to appear unbiased in your opinions and just give me straight info. Also, if you have actually played RFO it would prolly be a bonus. ;)

Anyway, I look forward to reading your replies and thank you for your time!

Morri