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"Diablo is not a MMO and it's not a RPG. And I don't care how much publicity did Blizzard pay for it" -ign.com

Originally posted by banthis

Originally posted by Thillian

Originally posted by banthis

 

It didn't promote or Launch with DX10 though.   Plus there's not a terribly huge difference between the two clients.   DX10 is techincally a waste the only difference between it and DX9 is the pipeline structure and the fact it can do a couple of shader types and a lighting trick that 9 can't (and it only can't do those because microsoft didn't want to add the functionality to 9 and try to FORCE people to 10 which didn't work).  Upgrading an operating system for DX10 is a waste of money since so FEW good games use it. 

Most companies recongize that a majority of their audience is still DX9 and account for either 9 or both.  Its a smart move though on Mythic's dev team not to add the extra work that takes away from gameplay at this point.  (it works well in EvE since its just OPEN space and not land, trees, water, etc to account for in rendering as well.)

 

THIS IS SO much NOT TRUE. The difference between dxdiag9 and dx10 in Lotro is enormous. I have everything on ultra high and I could not get back to dxdiag9.

...Its really not that big of a different...having crispy shadowing of leaves who the hell has time to look at that?   The difference is essentially minimal.  DX10 was a marketing scheme to push Vista & the Games for Windows Line.    To be honest this is offtopic at this point so I won't comment further than I'mg lad WAR is concentrating on Game over Graphics and still in the process making their game look fantastic.

How do you know? I thought they are concentrating to make the graphics more accessible for older computers to make everyone able to play WAR, and with a huge adv campaign and well-known IP they'll probably manage. But it won't have any relation to the quality of the game itself.
 

Originally posted by banthis

Originally posted by Thillian

Originally posted by Distaste

It will be for dx9.

As for a dx10 mmo? I think AoC will be the first and last dx10 mmo. DX 11 is due out in 2009 with Windows 7 so why would anyone start work on a dx10 mmo? Unless there is already a dx10 mmo in the works but I haven't heard of any(bioware maybe?).

 

Why keep people saying there is no game with dx10? Lotro has dx10 for half a year now.

 

It didn't promote or Launch with DX10 though.   Plus there's not a terribly huge difference between the two clients.   DX10 is techincally a waste the only difference between it and DX9 is the pipeline structure and the fact it can do a couple of shader types and a lighting trick that 9 can't (and it only can't do those because microsoft didn't want to add the functionality to 9 and try to FORCE people to 10 which didn't work).  Upgrading an operating system for DX10 is a waste of money since so FEW good games use it. 

Most companies recongize that a majority of their audience is still DX9 and account for either 9 or both.  Its a smart move though on Mythic's dev team not to add the extra work that takes away from gameplay at this point.  (it works well in EvE since its just OPEN space and not land, trees, water, etc to account for in rendering as well.)

THIS IS SO much NOT TRUE. The difference between dxdiag9 and dx10 in Lotro is enormous. I have everything on ultra high and I could not get back to dxdiag9.

Originally posted by Distaste

It will be for dx9.

As for a dx10 mmo? I think AoC will be the first and last dx10 mmo. DX 11 is due out in 2009 with Windows 7 so why would anyone start work on a dx10 mmo? Unless there is already a dx10 mmo in the works but I haven't heard of any(bioware maybe?).

Why keep people saying there is no game with dx10? Lotro has dx10 for half a year now.

Originally posted by coffee

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by coffee

Originally posted by Arcken

Let me hit you with another analogy. Will Smith is to rap what WoW is to MMORPGs.  Easily accessible and instantly recognized, but true to the genre? Not one freakin bit.
 

Ah so WoW is will smith now.. Ill add that my ever growing list of "strange things that wow haters say".
 

I dont consider myself a hater more an aficionado, or a connaisseur of mmorpgs. And frankly the idea of a game ripping of components from every other game and selling it based on product recognition? Why that doesnt tickle my palate at all. WoW has set MMOs way back in the fact that there is very little innovation because everyone wants to build a new WoW model for the money.  Its been 10 years, and games are actually getting worse? Thanks WoW. Thanks a lot.
 

 

No it been 10 years and the MMO genre has hit a brick wall.. its out of ideas.. you cant blame WoW if every 1 wants to copy it.. which they aint (cept maye WAR and Lotro), we just have to wait for the next revolution in a few years.

We can surely not blame WoW or Blizzard for it. We can only blame the community and players that are willing to pay and play games like WoW that brought no innovation. It's a proof that huge advertisment with no originality can be very succesful.

Originally posted by Vicksburg

Originally posted by Thillian

What? X-fire being a decent argument?
 

Of course. As are the audited financial reports of Vivendi showing a 1.2 billion dollar revenu for Blizzard and 10.7 million active subscriptions.

or are you from the club that thinks Blizzard is into some kind of Columbian drug dealing?

:))

For one thing IS sure : MMORPG.COM is NOT representative for the MMORPG scene.

XFire is a very good tool to watch what players play out there in the WESTERN world :)))

http://www.xfire.com/

Watch the top 10 and drool all over it .... :))))

Im not objecting WoW popularity. Im objecting X-fire. Its an utter crap just like mmorpg.com in terms of representating popularity mmorpgs.

Originally posted by Vicksburg

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by Vicksburg

WOW owns 60% of the MMORPG field.

Thousands of websites support the game and millions of videos show how the best players play in PVE and PVP.

Supporting add ons, UI adaptations, class tips, gaming tips. You name it/

One of the better: www.wowinsider.com

It is now for almost 1100 days the mosty played game on XFire (number 1) and this being backed up by all kind of independant sources.

Wow is also the ONLY game in the top 10 that you have to PAY to play. CoD4 being a far second but free to play. That alone says enough.

Of course you can play Vanguard in which there are about 40K subscribers.

Number of voters that vote with their wallets .... says it all.

 

Be aware however, following that masses can be detrimental. I can recall a time when everyone thought Milli Vanilli was cool. Pow, thats 2 poser burns in one post.
 

That's the same silly remark as comparing the MMORPG industry to food.
 

If I were you I let that kind of remarks to the Director of FunCON (Age of Conan) these days. Conan was steak and Wow and LOTRO were so called hamburgers.

Yep,.... if millions of people PAY for a game to keep playing it and the other top 10 games being played are ... for free. It says a LOT of that number one position. Today btw WOW was being played on XFire ...3 times more than number 2.

If all decent arguments fail ....

 

 

 

What? X-fire being a decent argument?
 

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by Thillian

Originally posted by Vicksburg

WOW owns 60% of the MMORPG field.

Thousands of websites support the game and millions of videos show how the best players play in PVE and PVP.

Supporting add ons, UI adaptations, class tips, gaming tips. You name it/

One of the better: www.wowinsider.com

It is now for almost 1100 days the mosty played game on XFire (number 1) and this being backed up by all kind of independant sources.

Wow is also the ONLY game in the top 10 that you have to PAY to play. CoD4 being a far second but free to play. That alone says enough.

Of course you can play Vanguard in which there are about 40K subscribers.

Number of voters that vote with their wallets .... says it all.

 

 

Yeh because, Blizzard spent more money on marketing campaign before release (40$mil) than Sigil for the whole development of Vanguard (30$mil)

It's like comparing Titanic movie with 200$+budget with Waking Life that had 2.5$mil. Apparently Titanic saw much MORE people and many more will say it's a great movie, while waking life has much smaller fan base.

 

Marketing in the Netherlands here for MMO's was non existant before WoW (now you see the tv commercial sometimes) but I can tell you that that game spread on sheer word of mouth in my community and had *nothing* to do with any adds and the like which didn't really become visible till the Celebrity adds were made a few years in.

I know many people who never played MMO's and thought paying monthly was the last thing they'd ever do change their mind in an instant after they got to play the open beta.

This game sold itself on *merits*, not on a marketing campaign.

Hahahaha yeh, they spent all these milions just for the f*** of it.

Originally posted by Vicksburg

WOW owns 60% of the MMORPG field.

Thousands of websites support the game and millions of videos show how the best players play in PVE and PVP.

Supporting add ons, UI adaptations, class tips, gaming tips. You name it/

One of the better: www.wowinsider.com

It is now for almost 1100 days the mosty played game on XFire (number 1) and this being backed up by all kind of independant sources.

Wow is also the ONLY game in the top 10 that you have to PAY to play. CoD4 being a far second but free to play. That alone says enough.

Of course you can play Vanguard in which there are about 40K subscribers.

Number of voters that vote with their wallets .... says it all.

 

Yeh because, Blizzard spent more money on marketing campaign before release (40$mil) than Sigil for the whole development of Vanguard (30$mil)

It's like comparing Titanic movie with 200$+budget with Waking Life that had 2.5$mil. Apparently Titanic saw much MORE people and many more will say it's a great movie, while waking life has much smaller fan base.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

At this point none of them have it, AoC is supposed to get it in a patch later this year.  It was announced as being in the release, but was pulled because of problems.

Lotro has DX10 for a half a year now..

Originally posted by War_Dancer

Originally posted by Thillian

Good question, Im not sure either. Nevertheless 3 main designers of Fallout 1 + 2 (that were part of interplay that made the distribution of BG1/2 as well. One of the three designers (Anderson) is back tho in Interplay now and I believe he works on Fallout MMO in cooperation with Bethesda. One of them is lead designer in Blizzard for Diablo 3 and one of them is working for NCsoft new MMO. It seems James Ohlen is probably still involved in Bioware, so there's still someone capable of doing the job.

Yeah, Interplay were the publishers for BG 1/2. I'm just not sure how much influence they as a company had in the development of those games, let alone specific developers working for Interplay like Cain, Anderson and Boyarsky. So I think BioWare probably deserve most of the credit for those games. Of course none of that changes your opinion of BioWares later games, it's just Fallout 1/2, Arcanum and Vampire Bloodlines are some of my favorite computer games so I'm always willing to talk about them

Oh yeh, arcanum, vampire and fallout are gems. I liked Greyhawk: TOEE as well. Very minimalistic, but tons of fun. One of the few games that had multiple starting / ending scenes and the whole plot based on your aligment.

Originally posted by War_Dancer

Originally posted by Thillian

Originally posted by Bane82

 

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Originally posted by Thillian
Different world, different dev studio. Ops, that's two.

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Different from what? different from SOE and SWG? because if that's the case, then you've won both points. Or do you mean different from KOTOR and Bioware? if so, why?

 

Because after the talented guys (that later formed Troika Games) left bioware (that mad fallout, bg1) the company went downward in my eyes. KOTOR/NWN were both a catastrophy in my opinion and I did not even bother to try anything after these two. And doh I loved single-player RPG's but the last one that was released was probably Vampire the bloodlines which eventually made Troika Games goes bancrupcy, because people rather want to play all these linear kotor style pseudo rpg's.

The founders of Troika Games (I still miss that company) all worked for Interplay, not Bioware and I'm not sure how involved they were with BG1. Your right about their invovlement with Fallout 1 though and yep Vampire Bloodlines was Troika's last game.

Good question, Im not sure either. Nevertheless 3 main designers of Fallout 1 + 2 (that were part of interplay that made the distribution of BG1/2 as well. One of the three designers (Anderson) is back tho in Interplay now and I believe he works on Fallout MMO in cooperation with Bethesda. One of them is lead designer in Blizzard for Diablo 3 and one of them is working for NCsoft new MMO. It seems James Ohlen is probably still involved in Bioware, so there's still someone capable of doing the job.

Originally posted by Bane82

 

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Originally posted by Thillian
Different world, different dev studio. Ops, that's two.

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Different from what? different from SOE and SWG? because if that's the case, then you've won both points. Or do you mean different from KOTOR and Bioware? if so, why?

Because after the talented guys (that later formed Troika Games) left bioware (that mad fallout, bg1) the company went downward in my eyes. KOTOR/NWN were both a catastrophy in my opinion and I did not even bother to try anything after these two. And doh I loved single-player RPG's but the last one that was released was probably Vampire the bloodlines which eventually made Troika Games goes bancrupcy, because people rather want to play all these linear kotor style pseudo rpg's.

Different world, different dev studio. Ops, that's two.

I actually think Lotro is closest to that medieval setting you write about. There's almost no magic, most of the creatures are animals and bandits. There are no supernatural powers, but there is a supernatural evil and of course orcs. But these are probably inevitable.

Originally posted by Lobotomist

The fire has started to spread trough the interwebs.

EA confirms KOTOR MMO !

www.massively.com/2008/07/17/kotor-mmo-confirmed-by-electronic-arts/#comments

 

Is this finally it ?

I guess we can expect now another massive overhyped campaign to sell chewed content in another setting.

Originally posted by AlexTheTall

Should i get this game:

YES YES YES