All Posts by Thillian

Originally posted by lahari

I LoL'd

Well After being burned by the infamous Dark and Light release and the Vanguard release, I decided that I would not ever enter a new game until it has been alive for at least 90 days. This allows time for the first wave of players to tear through the content and find the real soul of a game. It is also enough time to get some reactive patching and content adds in by the develpers.

This game has recieved so much hype and so many of my buds were contacting me to get me into the game. I refused and chose to wait. I think I am glad I did.

Has anyone noticed, there hasn't been a really successful MMO launch in a long time? Seriously? Maybe the best sustained game is LOTRO and even it isn't really doing all that fantastic.

LOTRo is actually doing all that fantastic. The player base is currently slowly improving. The difference is, the adv campaign for lotro was/is much smaller than WoW/AoC. And while WoW spent 40$ mil just for advertisment before release, turbine hardly payed that much for the whole development.

Originally posted by Pappy13

 

Blizzard doesn't care about the money.  They just want to ...

Yep definetly, Blizzard definetly not care about money. None of their employees care about money, in fact they work for free. Every penny they make heads to the church and education.

Please do never ever add talents into Vanguard. Different paths, different focuses. Or improve the impact of all attributes and make them all equal for every class so the decision at each level becomes more important. But please do not add any kind of a talent system. Thank you.

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Originally posted by eugam

Originally posted by Thillian

And OP got it obviously very wrong. Class balance is not socialism. Perfect socialism would be equal reward for everyone no matter what you do or how you do it. Class balance is healthy for capitalistic system actually. It's a fair chance for everyone and it's only up to you how you use it. That's what capitalism is about not SOCIALISM. Socialism is as I already said about equal reward for everyone without taking your action in consideration.

 

To be social is to build a crowd for an easier life. That way you can fight an attacking lion or get rid of the flees ;) Its not about equal reward. The monkey who slept lazy all day long has less banana then the monkey who gathered a lot bananas.

 

That's what Marx had in mind.

And that's what Stalin abused to massacre millions of people (more than Hitler actually). He just wanted to make everyone either "equal" (as in: equal in idolizing and serving him), or make them dead.

Socialism is the best ideal abused in the worst way and manner.

At least Hitler's ideals were wrong by nature :)

DB

For me Stalin was the same evil as Hitler.

Originally posted by eugam

Originally posted by Thillian

Donnie Im from Slovakia, a bit north from you. We had a communism here as well. And I still have so much hate against all the socialistic communistic pigs that I'll probably gonna take a gun and shoot every left-wing politician in our current government.

If you notice a news in your local newspaper that an insane guy in Bratislava blow himself up in SMER headquarters, don't expect to read any more posts by me on these boards.

 

Dont get out the pumpgun yet

Definition check. Solzial is not what sozialism or communism is/was. In the end humans are social herd animals. Like monkeys, cows, horses or sheep. To be naturally social isnt wrong.

This is such a fallacy. We developed to this point, and we can say we were born to have this intellect. Milions of years of evolution gave us this intellect and made us develop capitalism. Do you think that evolution goes against nature? That's the biggest contradiction you can ever say.
 

And OP got it obviously very wrong. Class balance is not socialism. Perfect socialism would be equal reward for everyone no matter what you do or how you do it. Class balance is healthy for capitalistic system actually. It's a fair chance for everyone and it's only up to you how you use it. That's what capitalism is about not SOCIALISM. Socialism is as I already said about equal reward for everyone without taking your action in consideration.

Donnie Im from Slovakia, a bit north from you. We had a communism here as well. And I still have so much hate against all the socialistic communistic pigs that I'll probably gonna take a gun and shoot every left-wing politician in our current government.

If you notice a news in your local newspaper that an insane guy in Bratislava blow himself up in SMER headquarters, don't expect to read any more posts by me on these boards.

Originally posted by Draccan

 

 

blah blah yada yada yada

Your argument "socialism is death" doesn't explain anything. No argumentation about it. No clarification how you can derive this point.

blah yada... 

 

Because it is a fact. Socialism = death.

Originally posted by openedge1

Originally posted by SaintViktor

His analogy would hold alot more water if AOC launched in a much better state and actually have all features present and working properly. Since it didn't, well I just take it with a grain of salt.

 

Yet, content for LOTRO was missing between levels 30-50. LOTRO was stable, AoC was stable. But, missing content seems to be the norm for most MMO releases now.

Luckily for LOTRO, the follwing month saw Evendim for that 30+ grind. AoC, still has nothing.

I think Gaute really wanted the game to be that steak, as it has the right motives. The problem is the execution is off. Funcom's execution to be precise.

But, I always felt I was having more fun while I leveled in AoC, and it kept me entertained for longer periods. I always seemed to give up after an hour of play in LOTRO. I just did not feel involved in the world Turbine created.

I sure did enjoy the EA LOTR games though. I would love to see those models in LOTRO, with their interfaces as well. That would fix it right up.

Ah well, here is hoping MoM makes some major strides to remove the tedium I feel in LOTRO.

So you liked EA LOTR and dislike Turbine LOTRO? I can see now what kind of gamer are you. Anyway the content was not an issue. I hit 50 before any content update, and never had to grind. I joined a group a few times, but 90% of the time I was being alone. (mainly because there were almost no players at that time around my level)

The game has found you. There is no escape.

Originally posted by bleyzwun

lol...  if you don't give a fuck about WAR why post in a WAR thread?  Correct me if I;m wrong, but didn't you also start the post about how WAR is going to suck (I could be wrong but I thought it was you)?  If you don't like it just let it go.  Post on threads for games you like.

and yes, WoW is copying WAR's ideas.

Why are you asking questions I already responded in my previous post? Are you on auto-pilot asking the same question "Why are you here if you don't like the game?" everyone who goes against WAR on these forums without even bothering to read it?

Originally posted by xenogias

Originally posted by Thillian

Originally posted by markoraos

Originally posted by Thillian

 

Did you put me to ignore list or not? Why not if you already sent me a welcome letter.

I ask you a few things about WAR.

1. Can you change faction in game?
2. Can you attack / declare war on someone from the same faction as you?
3. Can you declare a war on a another guild no matter from what faction?
4. Can you control with your guild or your friends certain PvP point? And rob travelers passing by?
5. Can you kill a player 20 levels above you?
6. Can you loot bodies of dead players?

If at least one of the questions get a positive answer Ill reconsider my opinion about WAR. These are the things that makes a PvP game for me. Everything else is PvE.

People yell for freedom in their life, but yet in games they want as little freedom as possible. So I guess it's the same in reality, they yell for it but not really want it.

 

1. No.  Defeats the purpose of RvR

2. No. Defeats the purpose of RvR

3. No. Defeats the purpose of RvR

4. Yes. 4 1/2. No.

5. Not 1v1

6. Yup but not the way you want it.

As someone else said, your idea of a "dynamic" world is FFA HC GvG ruleset and if thats what you are looking for you may as well get out of the genra now. You may like that kind of PvP but there is a reason 99% of thoes games/servers died off a long time ago.

Hell yeh, they died because of YOU. Players decided they rather want linear limited instanced meaningless pvp grind where level and gear makes the outcome of a fight. This is why WoW is popular, and why WAR gets so much hype even before release. And I'm raving against this mass pop culture in MMO, because I hate what I see.

The majority is so large  that currently there IS absolutely no sandbox MMORPG except UO which has 11 years old graphics. EVE online is not a true sandbox and Ryzom is dead for some time now. There are mainstream MMO's and that's all. No alternative. And it hurts me to see people claiming WAR to be next fantastic PvP game. I say no, it's never a PvP game if it doesn't containt the things I mentioned. Forums like this should be a supportive to alternative MMO's, but yet even here all I see are threads overhyping mainstreamed MMO's like WAR or AoC.  

And we are arguing here and bitching on each other so stop with the pussy talk like "welcome to my ignore list, bye bye and enjoy whatever game you like, i hope it's not the ones I do.. etc"

Originally posted by markoraos

Originally posted by Thillian

Everyone who puts someone to ignore list and then bothers to reply to his last respond saying "Welcome to my ignore list" should be whiped.

Anyway, dynamic world means things like factions change. Not just change of control of some PvP stations.

 

You are clueless. I'm sorry but you really don't know jack-shit about how the WAR RvR system works and what it entails. Sorry again but I'm not going to explain it to you since I don't like you enough to be bothered. Read up a bit  before you post on something else you'll come out either as an ignorant fool or an intentional troll.

/over and out

Did you put me to ignore list or not? Why not if you already sent me a welcome letter.

I ask you a few things about WAR.

1. Can you change faction in game?
2. Can you attack / declare war on someone from the same faction as you?
3. Can you declare a war on a another guild no matter from what faction?
4. Can you control with your guild or your friends certain PvP point? And rob travelers passing by?
5. Can you kill a player 20 levels above you?
6. Can you loot bodies of dead players?

If at least one of the questions get a positive answer Ill reconsider my opinion about WAR. These are the things that makes a PvP game for me. Everything else is PvE.

People yell for freedom in their life, but yet in games they want as little freedom as possible. So I guess it's the same in reality, they yell for it but not really want it.

Everyone who puts someone to ignore list and then bothers to reply to his last respond saying "Welcome to my ignore list" should be whipped.

Anyway, dynamic world means things like factions change. Not just change of control of some PvP stations.

Originally posted by markoraos

Originally posted by Thillian

 

WAR is also designed for PvE. I fail to see how grinding other players without any interaction other then combat just to get some silly pvp points to buy better gear is PvP. PvP is full interaction not just combat. Politics, guild versus guild, body-looting,...

 

I'm sure you'll see plenty of politics and guild interaction. DAoC had a lot of those and WAR introduces quite a bit of additional stuff to foster that kind of thing.

Grinding PvP points for gear? Please get informed and then come back. WAR has renown but it is just a part of the overall character progression. You can grind renown only but you'll end up with a very gimped character.

In addition success in WAR requires group effort on so many levels that the me-me-me implication you got there is completely absurd. You'll be fighting for and with your realm all the time, whether you're aware of it or not. Selfishness will lead you nowhere fast, just like in any RL army-type environment.

As for teh hardcorez stuff like body-looting etc.. I like my PvP fast and furious and death penalties seriously slow down the pace of PvP. Yeah, we can have full body looting but who is going to PvP then? I'll tell you who - people who are certain they'll win - aka gankers. That's why body looting games die very fast - harsh death penalties = less risk taking = less fun. In the end the risk-takers end up with much worse gear than those who play it safe (aka gankers) and the game degenerates into a sadistic torture chamber and dies.  POtBS anyone? That's your basic Introductory Game Theory 101 and this whole subject has been done to death before so no point in continuing isn't it?

You are contradictory in your every statement.

Who cares that you farm points for your realm? Seriously, what the hell does it change. WAR will not have a dynamic world outside of the few pvp stations.

Gankers end up having better gear in full body looting games? Did you ever play a full body looting game? I seriously doubt that. Gankers were killed out first always. In addition in  a game where you can't see how powerful the other character is, there is much less gankers. The reason behind this is obvious.

Indeed renown, it leads to gear in WAR. And do not tell me what should I do, I'm not gonna spend hours and hours watching every silly video about this overhyped shit.

Originally posted by Sornin

To me, it does not even matter that AoC is worse than WoW or LotRO, as even if it were better, Gaute's comment is totally unprofessional and in poor taste.

It is fine to compare one's game to another's in a positive light, stating how they compare and contrast, but insulting it outright with lame forum trash talk is just incomprehensibly rude. This guy, being a game director, should know that more than anyone.

In all of WoW's time at the top, never have I ever seen Blizzard make negative remarks towards another company's product, even though if anyone could justify doing so, they could. Why not? Because Blizzard has class and confidence, and does not need to take potshots at others to trick themselves and the public into thinking they have a good game.

Anyway, just one more reason not to play AoC - you avoid management who is up its own ass thinking they have a gem that is so good it is misunderstood and underappreciated, while failing to recognize their game lacks compared to polished titles.

In addition don't forget, it is AoC that tried to lure players on their boobs and gore and had one of the biggest adv campaign. I never saw any commercial on a steak restaurant, but I see one on McDonald all day on TV.

Originally posted by Flute

I'm curious to see how WoW tries to push this kind of content back down the levels; as things stand the best they seem to have come up with so far is to make it easier to level to 60 (not a good solution). 

Bottom line, I completely agree that WoW's basic design is a real problem for PvP - it's obviously ground-up designed for PvE, and that shows in so many ways which cannot really be fixed without destroying something.  WAR should be much better in that regard!

WAR is also designed for PvE. I fail to see how grinding other players without any interaction other then combat just to get some silly pvp points to buy better gear is PvP. PvP is full interaction not just combat. Politics, guild versus guild, body-looting,...

Originally posted by VirgoThree

Originally posted by Thillian

Originally posted by Ryder22

whevener someone talks on a diablo 3 post, it ALWAYS seems to turn into a "Is diablo 3 really an mmo?" now i know people can have their own beliefs (even though some are far-fetched). I REALLY REALLY hope that blizzard is not reading any of this, because if i install diablo to find out that they are trying to make it into an mmo, i would be pissed off.

Final though, if you consider diablo 2 an mmo, do you consider, Dungeon siege 2, Silverfall, Loki, Beyond divinity, Titans Quest, Sacred, Arcanum, and Dungeon lords an mmo?

 

HOW DARE you put arcanum into the same bag as games like titan quest/sacred or dungeon siege. Heresy.

 

Hey now I actually really enjoyed Arcanum! lol

Arcanum was/is one of the best RPG's out there. The rest was crap.

Originally posted by jahar

ah.. there are no tigers in africa.. i think you meant lions...

Doh there are still some people that did not see Meaning of Life?