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Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Thillian

Zorn, what is your second best sandbox game right after WoW?

Napoleon's Battles (with sadles).
 

I don't know why I should respond to someone who called me an idiot 3 pages ago?

Hope at least you read my stuff above.

No I didnt call you idiot. I said the guy on the picture is nuts. Nothing to do with you. And no I'm not reading your posts if they have more than 3 sentences.

let me guess...

Guild Wars?

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or Titan Quest?.. or Command and Conquer? I think you can do helicopters there as well.

Zorn, what is your second best sandbox game right after WoW?

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Thillian

{ Mod Edit }

 

You were the guy that wanted to prove Wow was not a sandbox because you couldn't craft ... let's see ...saddles and zeppelins that would "change the world".

Well I answered that I have a crafted saddle and make helicopters

Still waiting for your answer....

I gave up trying to reason with you, silly person. You ignored 99% of what I wrote and replied with "HEY I CAN DO HELICOPTER OMG"

You can believe whatever you want little fanboy, if WoW is a sandbox for you, good for you. But for the rest of us (sane guys), it simply isn't. Anyway thanks for quoting the lovely picture of Sid Haig again.

It was 3030 Battletech MUD in 1995.

Originally posted by bjornarg

Originally posted by Thillian

Mature rating 18+ is actually a way to lure all the 14-17 years old kids. Together with the console release, yes I believe AoC target audience is partially wow-kids, partially console genre newkidscomming kids ehm.

Two separate surveys among European and US players indicates that less than 4% are below 18 years of age.

Approximately 6000 players answered the surveys, which can be found stickied on the official forums.

haha this survey is a joke.

In fact it takes into consideration who owns the credit card. Dont you think that 98% of the 14-17 years old pay the subscribtion with their dad's credit card?

Yeh, actually VG 30$mil was below average in compare to other mainstreamed titles.

Mature rating 18+ is actually a way to lure all the 14-17 years old kids. Together with the console release, yes I believe AoC target audience is partially wow-kids, partially console genre newkidscomming kids ehm.

Wau,.. this guy keeps going on? I start to think he's being serious with all this nonsense.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Thillian

 

No it is you who don't get it. There is no end-game in sandbox games. You were not talking about freedom and linearity, you were talking about sandbox. Don't force me to quote you again.

Sandbox game have NO CLASSES AND LEVELS. So there's basically no endgame. In sandbox you can basically group up as a newbie with players that play it for 2 years and still do your part. In sandbox you can spend 99% of time doing crafting and nothing else. In sandbox you have player driven economy and every item player crafted.

I don't care how many options does WoW have to get those silly epics. IT IS STILL ONLY ABOUT GETTING THE SILLY EPICS. You get it? WoW is nothing more, but a linear item-farm.

Ad 2: WoW has terribly limited classes. Can your paladin take a crossbow and start shooting? Can your priest start sneaking around? Can your warrior cast a fireball from time to time? NO AND HE CAN NOT EVEN LEARN IT. There is ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE FOR YOU AS A WARRIOR TO LEARN CASTING FIREBALL. You've got to reroll for that.

Ad3: Can your crafter make bardings for horses? Horseshoes..? Saddlebags? Houses?.. Guild halls? ... What about sieges? Can your crafter build siege weaponry? Or ships? Maybe zeppelins? I saw there are zeppelins in WoW. Can a crafter build these? No because 99% of things you see are fixed, unchangable, uncraftable etc..

 

 

Well I can make my own helicopters. :) in Wow ...

Well in WotlK you can make even duo seats to take passengers along.

Well we can built Keeps there in WotlK

As a paladin I can be a pure healer, or a pure tanking fighter or a pure warrior dps kind of guy. And indeed I can choose any 2 professions I like (jewelcrafter, engineer, different kinds of blacksmith, etc etc ...) and change any time I want.

And guess what ??? All with stats analysed to death by professional programmers with millions of analysed data.

THOUSANDS of possible end game combo's. But still lineair heuh ?

 

 

Doh, you are amazing. You really believe in what you're writing here, or you're just having a good laugh? Because I seriously doubt from your reasoning that you're serious.

You still mentioned here your silly end-game combos. I repeat myself. There is no end-game in Sandbox and just the whole fact that you believe how free you are in WoW end-game is good enough argument to say WoW is not a sandbox.
 

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Thillian

Originally posted by Zorndorf

 

Please reread an 11th time then.

We are talking of Wow end game anno June 2008. You know the one with the epic end game gear from ALL choices of play (be it BG, Arena, Crafting, Solo, Heoric dungeons, Small raids or Big raids).

Not the old 2006 pure PVE Vanilla Wow you all HATE !

That game died in Nov 2007.

:))

 

You have absolutely no idea what does Sandbox mean. Because sandbox games have no end-game. Do you get it this time, or you want me to spell it?

See above / :))
 

Your defintion of an apple is but one.

I say choices of play and freedom of play to develop my character. Others say choices of play and freedom of play to develop the world.

You say: no end game at all.

A fourth person would say where players change themselves the world.

While the OP said: ganking people to take all their loot, now that was sandbox.

I just showed you ALL how HOLLOW and unde...blahblah...

 

No it is you who don't get it. There is no end-game in sandbox games. You were not talking about freedom and linearity, you were talking about sandbox. Don't force me to quote you again.

Sandbox game have NO CLASSES AND LEVELS. So there's basically no endgame. In sandbox you can basically group up as a newbie with players that play it for 2 years and still do your part. In sandbox you can spend 99% of time doing crafting and nothing else. In sandbox you have player driven economy and every item player crafted.

I don't care how many options does WoW have to get those silly epics. IT IS STILL ONLY ABOUT GETTING THE SILLY EPICS. You get it? WoW is nothing more, but a linear item-farm.

Ad 2: WoW has terribly limited classes. Can your paladin take a crossbow and start shooting? Can your priest start sneaking around? Can your warrior cast a fireball from time to time? NO AND HE CAN NOT EVEN LEARN IT. There is ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE FOR YOU AS A WARRIOR TO LEARN CASTING FIREBALL. You've got to reroll for that.

Ad3: Can your crafter make bardings for horses? Horseshoes..? Saddlebags? Houses?.. Guild halls? ... What about sieges? Can your crafter build siege weaponry? Or ships? Maybe zeppelins? I saw there are zeppelins in WoW. Can a crafter build these? No because 99% of things you see are fixed, unchangable, uncraftable etc..

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Thillian

 

I had to re-read this amazingly ignorant post, because first 10 times I couldn't believe my own eyes.

This is a perfect example of a wow subscriber that is so arrogant towards other mmorpg styles that he even tries to convince us about wow freedom. WoW is the most linear mmorpg out there. And sandbox games are the exact opposite. I can't think of any other MMORPG out there that would be less sandbox than WoW.

 

Please reread an 11th time then.

We are talking of Wow end game anno June 2008. You know the one with the epic end game gear from ALL choices of play (be it BG, Arena, Crafting, Solo, Heoric dungeons, Small raids or Big raids).

Not the old 2006 pure PVE Vanilla Wow you all HATE !

That game died in Nov 2007.

:))

You have absolutely no idea what does Sandbox mean. Because sandbox games have no end-game. Do you get it this time, or you want me to spell it?

Do I get it right? If you are too high level you can't enter certain zones? That's kinda anti-productive isnt it? It's not about ganking, I always enjoy in every game to run certain zones if I haven't seen them for long. Closing zones to prevent ganking? Are they out of their mind?

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by tvalentine

 

you .... did ...... not ..... just bring WoW into a sandbox thread ........................

 

Of course becaue WOW is the only real sandbox game.

Your character in the end game IS the sandbox.

The rest is prehistoric rambling of old age MMORPG's.

I had to re-read this amazingly ignorant post, because first 10 times I couldn't believe my own eyes.

This is a perfect example of a wow subscriber that is so arrogant towards other mmorpg styles that he even tries to convince us about wow freedom. WoW is the most linear mmorpg out there. And sandbox games are the exact opposite. I can't think of any other MMORPG out there that would be less sandbox than WoW.

Originally posted by bigtime102

 

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Originally posted by Thillian
GW is not skill based doh. GW is classes/levels. And besides, GW is probably one of the worst games I ever tried. It's not really MMORPG. It's spammed with instances. A game OP was asking about should be a sandbox like upcoming Darkfall or Earthrise.
Anyway to give my piece of advice, the only true sandbox games out there are not EVE online and UO. Shadowbane is probably a wasteland at the moment.

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Ive played other so called sandbox games and its such an emmersion breaker seeing everyone runing around doing the same quest as me or wating for a boss to spawn, wth? ..

 

 

Can you please give me an example of a "sandbox" game you played?

This thread just made me download the SW trial eventho I had never an intention to play an old sci-fi mmorpg. The amount of idiots that consider themselves SWG vets and constantly bit^h about everyone that tries to defend the game is amazing.

GW is not skill based doh. GW is classes/levels. And besides, GW is probably one of the worst games I ever tried. It's not really MMORPG. It's spammed with instances. A game OP was asking about should be a sandbox like upcoming Darkfall or Earthrise.

Anyway to give my piece of advice, the only true sandbox games out there are not EVE online and UO. Shadowbane is probably a wasteland at the moment.

Great reading. Agree with everything OP wrote about.

It will continue. Vanguard is a step from linear mmo's towards sandbox games. It's somewhere between and fills the void. Shame the market for this kind of games is so low.

Originally posted by HiGHPLaiNS

Everquest 2 is'nt open world.

AoC and EQ2 are pretty much the same with instancing.

Yeh EQ2 is the same crap as AoC and big letdown after EQ1. Indeed, market is already big enough to accomodate these sorts of anti-explorers that wants to have every quest lined up 5 steps around them.