All Posts by Dundee

Wuf.

tillamook wrote:
"No one on the dev team thought the SWG players would accept the NGE."

So Smed is the one who truly believed in the NGE? Can we add Torres to that list as well?

Brenlo said it was Jeff and Helios idea.

That's not what he said. You've even got him quoted in your post there, not saying that, even out of context.

Here's what happened:

It’s often frustrating to work with third party IP. There’s a constant battle over what the right direction is for the game, and from our own recent experience, it’s not something we enjoy. It very often puts handcuffs on what we can and can’t do and, frankly speaking, it’s a lot harder to make great games when the IP holders don’t understand the online gaming market.

Originally posted by Obee

Originally posted by Dundee

Originally posted by Obee

Originally posted by Dundee

Whereas my reply wasn't to say "You all suck except Wildcat", but rather something more like, "That's not as weird as if he did not play."

I didn't mean to offend anyone, and didn't understand why your replies after that were confrontational.

"The folk who are deeply offended and outraged when they imagine that the publish didn't deliver all it had promised to other people, are a little scary."

That line there was an insult.

Sorry.

I actually haven't seen anyone who was "deeply offended and outraged" by the patch.

So that wasn't aimed at anyone here, but at some imaginary person who might not exist?

more like, "That's not as weird as if he did not play."

Originally posted by Obee

Originally posted by Dundee

Whereas my reply wasn't to say "You all suck except Wildcat", but rather something more like, "That's not as weird as if he did not play."

I didn't mean to offend anyone, and didn't understand why your replies after that were confrontational.

"The folk who are deeply offended and outraged when they imagine that the publish didn't deliver all it had promised to other people, are a little scary."

That line there was an insult.

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by Wildcat84

I think the only thing Freeman is sorry for is that it didn't work.

Why didn't he go down like Tiggs did, she posted to the forum about how the NGE sucked and they knew it wouldn't work. She got fired. She went on to a BETTER job.

What makes you think that ? If he didn't realize he made a mistake . I really don't think he would be here posting in the first place . I don't expect a single Dev or Mod to become our personal Martyr . I would expect them to think of their own hide in such a situation , As Is what I  would expect of anyone else . Secondly where did you hear that she was fired in the first place ? I have always wondered what the circumstances were in that scenario , A Link would be most appreciated .

Originally posted by Wildcat84

I think the only thing Freeman is sorry for is that it didn't work.

Originally posted by Obee

Originally posted by Dundee

Originally posted by Obee
Just because the developers are frustrated by former player's comments, it doesn't make those comments any less accurate.

Never said they weren't.

Are you just trying to start an argument, or what?

Are you for real?  You intentionally misinterpret what others have posted so you can argue against it, instead of what they actually posted,

 and you insulted most of us who are posting on this board, just a couple posts before you posted that.

If someone hates SOE/LA/NGE as much as he does, and given the absolute pure venom hellfire and brimstone he spouts off DAILY about it, there is something seriously wrong with someeones sanity if they continue to support it AND play it.

Originally posted by tillamook

Maybe that damage isn't as costly as a swg-vet roach motel would be.

They were wrong once with the NGE, maybe they are wrong again?

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Originally posted by Fishermage
yeah that's pretty much where I have always laid blame for this, as those who have read my posts know. I hold Smed (or "upper management") more accountable than anyone. BUT, here I go again...when you say CEO, do you mean the ultimate CEO of SONY, LEC, OR SOE? You did use a plural there.

Originally posted by Dvol
See LOTR may break a million but does it have enough to survive the long haul.It is polished its just OK IMO..Nothing that would keep my intrest for very long at all..

Now i think the MMO world may revert back to Skills and player choices of what they want to be.

Until that time when another ground breaking none-EQ1 clone comes around ill speak with my wallet..The field i want is similar to SWGPRECU and set in a sci fi setting with that kinda game engine..Easy to get into fun to play tons of stuff to do and nothing forced on me..Give us choices polish and something otther than the Level based  kill this loot that rinse repeat, and i think the game will/can succeed..

The WoW type of game is old and stale and due to bleed subs as well...Every game tries to be WOW well what part of if we wanted another WOW we'd just play wow dont Devs understand..

Killer license doesnt =success look at SWG..

Polish and how one treats the customer and how your game plays is the key..If SWG proved one thing its how not to treat your player base.Then by not looking to your past mistakes not learning a thing from it(CU) and still going through with it(NGE).See gameplay choices and Skill based profession system sandbox gameplay can and did work. Just too bad the bad  bugs and such were never addressed correctly we got 2 subpar game systems..They still think SWG core gameplay was the issue even tho everyone knows different but them..(Look at vanguard also for what not to do)

Originally posted by Fishermage
law and liability (legalliability) has nothing to do with it as far as I am concerned. NO real damages were done; a game and a virtual world I loved was destroyed, but it was still a game and a vrtual world. I am certainly not gonna sue anyone over this.

Originally posted by Fishermage
I understand all that but in that blog, who was "the man" that looked at the ideas and said hooooomph!

 "the Man" that YOU had to tell forty times a day for two months that it was "possible,"

 and when you say the "combat system," what exactly do you mean by combat system? NOT the removal of professions, but the clicky targeting?

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Dundee

Originally posted by plong

Just out of morbid curiosity, could I ask why you have spent so much time on this rather hostile forum?  If it is any consolation, I used to think of you right up there with dirty baby diapers however after reading between the lines I'm beginning to  think what happened to SWG is more due to gross mismanagement than anything else.

Because I spent almost six years working on SWG and it kills me that the only people who liked it, hate me.

Frequently for misinformed reasons.

If we are misinformed, that is also not our fault.

We are misinformed only because someone is deliberately deceiving us. I personally never signed a contract that would require me to deceive my customers.

Someone around here, or several someones obviously made that choice. PS -- for the record I don't hate you or ANYONE associated with the terrible unethical activities you all engaged in. It's VERY hard to make me hate someone. That being said, that doesn't make what any of you did right and good, and to coninue to allow "misinformation" is also not right and good. I'm sorry you made a bad deal with some unethical people, but to not share the truth at this point in some way is to perpetuate the sin. Props for trying though, and the fact that it kills you says a lot :)

Dag. I need a FAQ.

Originally posted by Fishermage
Yup. That's about right. LA should never have aprroved of it, but SOE came up with it, and sold it to the guys upstairs. According to his own blog, Jeff Freeman and Dan Rubenfield had to push for it 40 times a day for two months.

Originally posted by kano71
Ya pretty boring scene nowadays and no real hope in the future unless yer into elf's and trolls and all that rehashed fantasy crap being put out for the masses. I miss the old swg a truely great game at one point. all it needed was  some bug fixes and some content added. Instead we got CU and NGE. I still don't understand why it all happened, But one thing is for sure SOE got exactly what the deserved when 90% of us left.

Originally posted by Rekrul
WTS: pitchforks

Buy 5, get a stake free.

Torches sold separately.

Originally posted by AfroPuff

I don't want to cross the line and start putting words into Jeff's mouth.  If he says he's being facetious, then so be it.  But in the past, he has blogged that official game forums are bad.  Bad enough to not do them.

That aside, I'm hoping he's agreeing that in this case that wouldn't be the best thing to do. 

My personal opinion about the usefulness of official forums with moderators to police speech as compared to an official blog, plus fan-blogs, plus fan-forums and an active, network-building community relations team doesn’t mean I am uncommitted to vibrant forum communities. I’m criticizing software and strategy. “Forums are Bad” is a snarky title.

I’m not against vibrant forum communities, I’m for vibrant community networks.

Really though, this is a surrender of control to the players. Can’t do that without some risk of abuse. Question is whether it’s worth tolerating whatever amount of risk that is. And just what is that amount of risk anyway? Plus whether it’s worth the hassle when it eventually happens, ’cause it will.

I get why game developers wouldn’t want to surrender control, for a number of reasons. I have difficulty understanding why players demand biased moderation and crumbs instead of cake. Insisting upon class-forums instead of class-websites, when devs hardly venture into all the assorted nooks and crannies that a class-forum tucked deeply away represents anyway. gah.

If I were the players I’d force the devs to come to me. But I’m just one guy.

But yes, in this case I think surrendering control of the conversation to the fans would not be good.

Originally posted by Wildcat84

So... WHY do they not then get together and hammer out how to do classic servers? Giving us our game BACK is and will remain their SOLE way to mitigate that damage, which is going to follow both SOE and LEC around basically forever until they do something to undo it.

Originally posted by YodaGreen

If you ware any good devs you would have destroyed that abonomation of the pacth and saved players from it. On the end it seems  to me that you and rest of the devs just didnt care about playerbase, if you had you would make something better what NGE turned to be.........