All Posts by Orphes

The supported Mac client doesn't have the new graphics.

Although IMO you won't miss that much you could use the standard Window client and a (lack of better word) emulator to be run under OSX. And then get the better graphical client.

Originally posted by Zanpt

It looks like the Sunday peak population stats for Eve may have begun to show the effect of people consolidating accounts, quitting, and generally reducing their participation:

39,617 on Sun, Oct 19 (four days after the unsubbed training nerf)

39,258 on Sun, Oct 26 (-359 from prev week's peak)

37,416 on Sun, Nov 2 (-1,842 from prev week's peak, -2,201 from Oct 19 peak)

Next week's peak will be very interesting.  CCP is between a rock and a hard place:  if they report true numbers it will become apparent that they are losing business.  If they tinker with the numbers they risk becoming the pariah of the gaming industry (or worse).

Note that they are down 5,295 from the year's high water mark of 42,711 in Mar/April of 2008.

It's better then the 33k number someone said earlier.

What happened in Mar/Apr that made people leave the game?

Originally posted by Soraellion

What the patch does (will do) is take away power and soloability from BS and give some back to smaller ships. That either means that BS's cant really go on a solo/small BS gang killing spree like they're used to and it advocates more diversity in gangs.

So instead of everyone being a DPS warrior you now also need CC, support and other classes. Welcome to balance.

In other words there is a chance that I won't be considered a noob if I opt out from training to get a Raven?

The race is still on...

"The title track from Guns N' Roses' new album, "Chinese Democracy," will be available to download by U.S. radio outlets at 5 a.m. ET tomorrow morning (Oct. 22). Although some album tracks leaked this summer, this is the first authorized new music from the group in nine years."

" On September 22nd, 2008, Aventurine began limited public hardware testing as the first phase of public beta.
On October 16th, 2008, in a Darkfall presentation held at Athens Digital Week, Associate Producer Tasos Flambouras stated that the open beta would end early in December."
 

This is the most evil thing I've heard in ages...

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Silius

IOD freed us up to get moving on things and we are doing so.

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It's nice to hear.

Originally posted by templarga

Bias has nothing to do with intent. Bias can be anything. What if X-fire is used by people who play single player games more than MMO's? What if X-fire is used more by people in the US than in other areas of the world? What if the average X-fire players plays 6 hours a day but the average MMO'er plays 3 hours a day? What if they average age of a gamers according to X-fire is 18 but the real average age is 28?

Any of this can skew your data and make it worthless if you cannot: a - prove the bias; b - take it into account with your poll and prediction.

I could keep going but I think you get the idea. Bias can be anything at all and many times there is no intent behind, it is simply bias. Until all possible bias is accounted for and taken into account by the pollster, any data gathered is unreliable.

Yeah. I just want to move the focus in comparing to other games. A game that is lower on the chart on Xfire could very well have more players then one that is higher and so on.

And I have to agree with some things. Just because the Xfire number goes down doesn't have to mean it is loosing subscribers. It could very well be the same amount of subscribers, I mean some quit and others join. And those that stay have settled and the new intruiging game thing have wore off. They have done their share of leveling and are following a "schedule" of some kind, I don't know.

I don't know what to believe really when it comes to the Xfire thing.

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by LondonMagus

Quite correct, but the most important point is that all the mathematical calculations about survey reliability based on 'Actual Sample Size' Vs 'Total population Size' are compeletly dependant on the sample being truly representative. If the sample is biased then everything else is meaningless. 

Before it is possible to use any sample to predict future activity, you first have to demonstrate that it is an unbiased & representative sample of the population you are trying to measure.

Unfortunately the Xfire advocates just dont seem to be able to grasp that.

Just my opinions of course.

 

Thank you, thank you and THANK YOU! I have been trying to get people to understand this for months only to be told "sample size does not matter" or "you don't know statistics", etc....

Since there is no way to prove if the sample of people that uses X-fire it truly representative of the population you want survey (i.e. - all MMO gamers), then any data culled from that sample is worthless.

Not to mention there are way too many variables that you must account for when surveying, one would be lost trying to forecast any type of conclusion based on the data.

I just wanted to say thanks LondonMagus - I am glad someone out there "gets it".

What do you mean with biased? Do gamers play whatever game they play to intentionally raise the Xfire numbers and then they choose to not play a game they don't like with the intent to not raise the Xfire number.

Hmm... wait

Originally posted by phluux

Originally posted by megafluxmega

im thinking the vast majority of xfire users are people who just click their way through installs in general and probably have comrade, weatherbug, and several other not so useful things installed as a result of that fact. THOSE are the people we are supposing represent gamers in general? hmm....i gotta say to me it sounds like the only thing xfire could measure is "people in too much of a rush to uncheck a box who play games".

use visa, use internet providers, use anything that provides solid data, dont use a cross section that represents the fanboy hordes. shit, fanboys dont even count as gamers, they jump from 1 fad to another; it is like counting fleas on a dog.

 

Right on. Don't expect any of the knuckleheads here to understand that though.

Explain again.

A player that never played and installed WAR and uses XFires.
How do that person affect whatever trend WAR is showing on Xfire?

If 100 out of 1000  people playing a certain game uses Xfire. And 20 of those quit. Please convince why I should believe that the, relative, number of quitting Xfire uses are more or even the opposit trend then the rest of WAR players.  Megafluxmages quoted post did not convince me.

What legit program would be expected to receive packets sent on UDP at that number

I mean send something on UDP is a hit or miss. Haven't checked if there are any known applications that are set to recieve data on that port. So if a virus is sending something on this UDP would there also not be a reason for the creater on the assumed virus to expect a program using this port.

Seradon.

Originally posted by LondonMagus

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by LondonMagus

Originally posted by whisperwynd

You trying to impress ppl again with your war link and lack of knowledge about statistical analysis Bodypass?

Anyone who 'studied' would know you don't need to know the % of the total target number. The margin or error isn't based on that but on the number of subjacts you have in your sample. I already posted to one of your 'rants' which looks a hell of a lot like this one actually.

Your margin of error is  1/ (divided by)  the squareroot of your sample #, look THAT up. 

I wish I didn't find you in some of these threads throwing bs around like it's knowledge. You make learning suffer a bad rep.

Quite correct, but the most important point is that all the mathematical calculations about survey reliability based on 'Actual Sample Size' Vs 'Total population Size' are compeletly dependant on the sample being truly representative. If the sample is biased then everything else is meaningless. 

Before it is possible to use any sample to predict future activity, you first have to demonstrate that it is an unbiased & representative sample of the population you are trying to measure.

Unfortunately the Xfire advocates just dont seem to be able to grasp that.

Just my opinions of course.

I'm trying to grasp why Xfire people would be more inclined to quit a game compared to non-Xfire users?

It isn't so much about whether Xfire users are more likely to quit, more likely to disable it whilst playing WAR for performance reasons or even whether WAR players are less likely to use Xfire at all.

If a sample isn't representative of a population it cannot be used to accurately predict behaviour. That doesn't mean it has to contradict the behaviour of the general population, just that there is no direct & reliable correlation. 

There is something that I missed to say. And sorry for the nest of edits and posts...

If we compare to AoC. AoC may have had a trend spiraling downwards, as WAR is. But at this point 1 month after release I think that WAR is still quite high on the charts, it is at 8th place.

Without checking it I would guess that we alse have a general trend of people playing less games at the moment. Otherwise if WAR would have been the utter failure one could imply with Xfire it would not still be a 8th would it.

Sorry I edited the post while you answered.

You answered it anyway.

But still there is, I don't know, something fuzzy with Zfire.

Originally posted by LondonMagus

Originally posted by whisperwynd

You trying to impress ppl again with your war link and lack of knowledge about statistical analysis Bodypass?

Anyone who 'studied' would know you don't need to know the % of the total target number. The margin or error isn't based on that but on the number of subjacts you have in your sample. I already posted to one of your 'rants' which looks a hell of a lot like this one actually.

Your margin of error is  1/ (divided by)  the squareroot of your sample #, look THAT up. 

I wish I didn't find you in some of these threads throwing bs around like it's knowledge. You make learning suffer a bad rep.

Quite correct, but the most important point is that all the mathematical calculations about survey reliability based on 'Actual Sample Size' Vs 'Total population Size' are compeletly dependant on the sample being truly representative. If the sample is biased then everything else is meaningless. 

Before it is possible to use any sample to predict future activity, you first have to demonstrate that it is an unbiased & representative sample of the population you are trying to measure.

Unfortunately the Xfire advocates just dont seem to be able to grasp that.

Just my opinions of course.

I'm trying to grasp why Xfire people would be more inclined to quit a game compared to non-Xfire users?

Looking at the graph below. We have Starwars Galaxies, EVE and Vanguard.

Starwars Galaxies lost most if not all of their subscribers when the NGE hit. If I would take others word for it.
EVE Online have been steadily gaining subscriptions. And VG... well.

If I look at this I see the same dent in the statistics for EVE as in SWG, but more dent in SWG. Both games on the other hand recoups, EVE alot more and SWG less. But you will also see the similar trend over the months.

Would I believe the statement that EVE have been gaining subscriptions. I can see that on this chart, atleast it looks like it on this chart that it is true.

Also if I would believe that SWG lost most of their subscribers at the NGE. Also, maybe is an exegeration, that SWG was the best game before NGE. I certainly don't see this on this chart. I can see a difference of 1400 compared August - Februari. But I can't the difference that I have been touted from this forum (and others) by mmoplayers.

What I am confused about is.

This would mean that for SWG Xfire is probably wrong, for EVE it can be right. And as for WAR... I mean in some cases Xfires shows a correct trend and in some it is not, how do one explain that?

Is it so that for those players using Xfire:

* SWG player was not likely to leave SWG.

* EVE players was likely to both leave and join.

* WAR players are also likely to leave the game.

I refuse to believe that  Xfire would be true in one case and not the other two, or vice versa.

To restate my initial question.

Are Xfire users more inclined to quit the game, in this case WAR.

Just a quick question.

Have you installed the (all) updates for Vista?

Originally posted by Torak

They need to do something with all the unused arenas they have scattered around the assorted towns and cities.

They went through the trouble of making them but not giving them any function.

 

They are doing that. They have worked on the big Island south of Targonor. I guess we will have to find out in the future what it mean for us now when they are done with the work on the trial island. The most great thing to notice with this is that this is not released in a GU.

Shores of Darkness

The KDQ wants you. An elite group within the organization known as Kamelott, Inc. has discovered an artifact believed to belong to an ancient race. The organization is now recruiting all adventurers to assist them in collecting information on the artifact and recover some property they lost on the way.

The KDQ is offering all adventurers a spot within their ranks and this spot comes with a full benefits package. So if you are brave enough, join the KDQ at Kamelott’s Landing in the Shores of Darkness.

• Help the KDQ investigate the strange artifact discovered on the forgotten battlefield.
• Become an agent of the KDQ rising up the ranks as you gain faction and accomplish tasks unlocking new reward potential along the way.
• A new camp where players can meet, group up, craft, browse the market, or store items in their bank.
• Repeat the quests daily gaining faction and more chances at rewards.
• Over 700 new equip-able items are available for those who help the KDQ.
• A variety of new expendable potions.
• A diplomacy slot item similar to the Isle of Dawn bracelet.
• A new never released mount.
• Some other rare and unique items.
• New recipes.
• The introduction of new item mods.
• Healing Effectiveness
• Healing Crit Chance
• Healing Crit Amount
• Flurry Resistance
• Rage Resistance
• Another chapter in the story of the Xennumet.  

Originally posted by EvolvedMonky

You need help. 

And who the hell uses x-fire.  Gamespy and steam is what the majority use. Sure x-fire has a small following but seriously x-fire isnt a requirement or some benefit in this genre.

If you realy want to see how usefull x-fire numbers are  ask on here, Waralliance and vnboards if anyone uses x-fire.  And youll see how small of a percentage use that program.

Cann't these pretty simple things be thougth out before even pushing the submit button?

The negative trend is not explained by that not everyone playing WAR use Xfire. That is not even remotely close to even matter.

I find it fun. Maybe the PvP and people are not as "good" as in other corps. (I wouldn't know anyway, only been NPC corps.)

But you can jump in and out when you feel to to fight others. Like for instance be a weekend warrior :) There is lots of gangs and fleets going on at Villore -> Old Man Star. In OMS you'd be expecting to meet larger groupings, but you can occasionally spot other wartargets in other systems aswell.

Originally posted by Zanpt

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by Zanpt

But this is one of those neat, self-punishing acts.  Instead of bringing CCP more revenue it will cause a drop in the number of accounts and a lower percentage of accounts being active.  How do I know this?  Because I feel as many others do and I canceled nine accounts today.  Oh, sure, they will all come back sometime after they go into suspension, but not immediately, and no longer will all nine be active at the same time.

It is my firm policy to punish vendors who displease me by levying a fine payable in lost money that I henceforth won't pay them.  I am the judge, the jury and the fine collector and there is no appeal.

Was not those 9 accounts already canceled? Otherwise I can't see your po