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Ahhh YAY!  I guess it had been a while since I went to the site, and yes, I WAS able to download it today to start playing in the open beta. :)

Thanks!

Originally posted by Martinmas

If someone does not like the game I do not think that lowering the monthly fee would make them start liking it. I believe most people could care less if the monthly fee is $1 or $20 they will play the game that they find to be the most fun for them.

I'm not sure that the OP was trying to figure out a way to bring back the people that have already left, but, your statement here is true.  You play what you enjoy playing, and I, for one, don't make that decision based on the montly fee.  (I mean, unless it was something ridiculous like 50 bucks a month or something PER account.  I have a family, so we pay $30-$45 USD per month for EACH game that we sub to already.)

If we're specifically speaking about Warhammer...I wouldn't go back after this month even if it were FREE, but that's just me.  It's not my type of game, and I didn't particularly enjoy it. 

To suggest a company start OFF with really low prices, though, well...I'm not sure that's a great idea either, because most people believe that you "get what you pay for," and that would cause some suspicion about the game's quality and ability to maintain updates, hardware repairs, etc.

Mythic charges $15 USD a month, so they are going to get compared to the other games that charge the same.  If they charged $5 a month, people would compare them to Runescape.  And while I'm sure Warhammer in a comparison to Runescape would, of course, look amazing....it's a bit tougher competition being compared to all the other games with the standard sub fees.

Let's think about it like this....

Do you really WANT people that prefer other games and gaming styles to swarm your game because "it's cheap?"  No...probably not.  You want people playing the games YOU are playing, because like YOU, they ENJOY them and find that particular style of game compelling.  I, for sure, wouldn't want to play with other people who didn't really play the games I play out of a love for the games, but because ..."Meh, well...it's cheap."

WHAT?  Most of Europe and Asia don't speak English??  ROFLMAO  Are you kidding me?  Most other countries have a FAR superior educational system than the United States and they are, for the most part, REQUIRED to learn English as a second language, whereas our American educational system is SO dumbed down that kids aren't even required to take ONE LOUSY foreign language COURSE any more.  Pathetic.

As far as the thread topic, however....it is my opinion that online gaming will become even MORE popular in the worst of economic times.  Why?  Because people can no longer afford the more expensive hobbies.  Heck, even going out to dinner costs a virtual fortune any more, especially once you figure in gasoline.  Staying home and being able to "play" something EVERY DAY, if you like, for HALF the price of one dinner out?  I think there will be a HUGE surge in online gaming subscriptions.  People still want entertainment.  And while I hear a lot of pissing and moaning about the price of games....they are STILL, by far, about the cheapest form of entertainment if you figure hours of entertainment value per unit of currency.

I keep reading about this game, and most of it seems very encouraging, but what I WONDER is how everyone is actually getting to PLAY it.....isn't it in BETA right now?  Last time I looked, there was no way for me TO play the game yet.

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by girlgeek

Originally posted by nikoliath

Let me help you, I see you aint to hot on the comprehension stakes. You are quoting from a later response, try looking in the actual post HE quoted then reply.

 

So as you have stated, WoW chat ( in this caes ) is full of tripe, as you make liberal use of the /ignore feature. I presume that you are making the hint that you have put me on /ignore     good for you old chap, good for you.

 

Anyway this simply a flame fest, so  /wave

 

Again, your maturity level is astounding.  Furthermore, I'm not an "old chap," I'm a 45 year old mother of three grown children.  "Ol' chap" means "old boy" or "old fellow," of which I am neither.  (Okay, I'll cop to the OLD part.  But I'm not a "boy" or "fellow.")

And, in case you had not noticed in your VAST gaming career, all MMOs  have a /ignore feature.  It would actually be rather nice if enough people in Warhammer actually SPOKE requiring you to have to USE it once-in-a-while.  The OPs original post had more to do with the lack of a sense of community in the game.

I believe in the year that I've been a member of this forum site, I have put ONE person on ignore.  I'm not so immature as to have to do that just because someone disagrees with me.

I love when someone runs out of points to argue and simply dismisses a thread with a /wave type comment.  /rollseyes

1. Old chap is simply a saying, a colloquiallism along the lines of Old Bean, Me old China ( china plate - mate ).

2. No need to try to belittle me by casting aspersions on my VAST gaming career. You cried immature! at me earlier, so  .

3. I /waved to try and prevent a tit-for-tat reply session which degenerates into a flame war.

4. My main objection to many of the posts on this forum, not just WAR, is that they are often posted by ex MMO fans. I say ex, because they are bored of MMOS, their posts often complain about subjective issues aswell as lack of originality, lack of sandbox openness, and lastly, failing to give them that awe factor. No consideration is given to what the games design brief was. No concession that this particular game might simply not be for them, no it HAS to be flawed! IT WILL FAIL!

These people come here and berate the developers and current fans. They label the games "crap" "subpar", "boring", "copy of [insert MMO]". They complain about things that actually make the game an MMORPG i.e character development, skills and abilities, RPG style combat, with comments like "it wasn't revolutionary, it's the same old thing". No consideration about GENRE.  I could write a whole post on the failure of understanding people have with GENRE.

Some posters feel a sense of satisfaction, I'm sure of it, in rubbishing in 5 minutes a game that has taken a team of dozens, tens of millions of dollars and 4 or 5 years of hard work to make.It's like watching the opening Paramount sequence at the cinema, walking out and telling the people queuing "Don't bother, the film was crap".Good for them, it's their prerogative, but it's still jibberish in my eyes.

For the posters I am talking about, nothing will rekindle their awe of their first MMORPG gaming experience - nothing. That does not make every subsequent game actually rubbish. I dislike them peddaling their bile here, in some vain attempt to persuade others to share their appathy. 

I am a firm believer in people forming their own opinions on these games. I too am writing this in vain, I know that. I don't care if you like or dislike the game, it's the pointless finger pointing at inane subjective "faults" that irk me enough to reply to the posts.

Maybe a new discussion forum is in order. A place for Ex fans to hang out and complain till their hearts sing. It's been 11 years since UO launched. I think it's logical that there are a growing number of "bored" MMO fans out there, but don't blame the industry.

You guys ask too much for a box fee of £30 or $50 and £8 / $14 a month some of expect a virtual life to replace your own real life and each new MMORPG to hold your attention for YEARS. I think we get great value for money.

 

Good day.

Fair enough and well said. 

I may not agree with absolutely everything you say, but THAT was a very good post.   Thank you for not writing off the thread.

Furthermore, I apologize for being snarky with the "VAST" gaming career comment.  ;) 

I don't THINK UO runs on Vista, does it?

Sadly, upon buying a new computer, I was confronted with the fact that ALL new computers come with Vista, if you want XP, you have to pay 200 dollars more to GET it now.  (And before all the geeks start saying, "Why didn't you build your own?"  Not EVERYONE can do that, ya know?)

If you can tell me UO runs on Vista.....omg.....I WILL probably load that baby up again.  I DO miss it, and I didn't get to play nearly long enough.  I also remember that the new graphics version of UO was very very buggy even on XP.  Have they ironed some of that out yet?  (I'm speaking of Kingdom Reborn.)

My main is a destro lock spec'd 0/21/40.  Looking at the talent trees, and being that I love destruction and have really enjoyed playing it....my only gripe is that I won't be able to have sacrifice anymore and still get the best use from the destro tree.

However, I don't expect this to effect me TOO terribly, as I'm NOT a PvP lock.  I'm a raider.  So, as bad as this MIGHT be for the PvP crowd, I'm not too terribly worried, myself.  On the other hand, the new Wintergrasp with seige weapons and whatnot, sort of makes me want to at LEAST check out the new PvP.  Yikes.  Well, heck...I'm going to die a lot in PvP anyway, because I'm not very good at it, so....meh....guess it's still no biggie for me.  LOL

The OP is sort of comical.  I'm SO sure that warlocks will be bailing out in droves, as though most people don't have more than one 70 and multiple other alts as well.  If my warlock ends up SO nerfed that I can't perform effectively in a raid, then I'll just play my druid, my warrior, my rogue, my mage, my priest, or my hunter until it gets better.  ROFL

Originally posted by nikoliath

Let me help you, I see you aint to hot on the comprehension stakes. You are quoting from a later response, try looking in the actual post HE quoted then reply.

 

So as you have stated, WoW chat ( in this caes ) is full of tripe, as you make liberal use of the /ignore feature. I presume that you are making the hint that you have put me on /ignore     good for you old chap, good for you.

 

Anyway this simply a flame fest, so  /wave

Again, your maturity level is astounding.  Furthermore, I'm not an "old chap," I'm a 45 year old mother of three grown children.  "Ol' chap" means "old boy" or "old fellow," of which I am neither.  (Okay, I'll cop to the OLD part.  But I'm not a "boy" or "fellow.")

And, in case you had not noticed in your VAST gaming career, all MMOs  have a /ignore feature.  It would actually be rather nice if enough people in Warhammer actually SPOKE requiring you to have to USE it once-in-a-while.  The OPs original post had more to do with the lack of a sense of community in the game.

I believe in the year that I've been a member of this forum site, I have put ONE person on ignore.  I'm not so immature as to have to do that just because someone disagrees with me.

I love when someone runs out of points to argue and simply dismisses a thread with a /wave type comment.  /rollseyes

Originally posted by mrw0lf

Originally posted by girlgeek

 

Oh and by the way, in four years of playing, I have yet to see "WTS" in general chat.  Now if you want to argue that idiots post in trade channel, oh I'll agree with that.  However, I only see that channel when I'm in a major city, AND amazingly enough, the /ignore feature still works in major cities!

 

I have no opinion on the subject either way, but, are you seriously saying in four years of playing WoW you have never seen a single 'WTS' in general? Do you play more than 5 seconds per day?

Actually, yes.  I play for about 5 HOURS a day.  Maybe I'm so busy actually DOING things in game, that I don't notice?  O.o  I suppose that's possible.  I have maxed level crafters of every profession except blacksmithing and engineering, 4 level 70s, a level 63, 55, 44, and a few "baby alts."  Perhaps I just have enough to "do" that I don't stare at general chat as much as other people do.  Or maybe our server is just a little more mature population-wise.  That is actually possible.  There do seem to be a LOT of "adult only" guilds on this server, in comparison to the few others I have played on.

Great.  Now you have me wanting to log in and just go from zone to zone watching general chat.  /sigh

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by stayontarget

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by Proserpine

I completely agree with the OP.  He describes the game perfectly. 

The lack of community in this "mmo" is stunning, I couldn't imagine how it could be worse.  No general chat to speak of and no one has ever, EVER responded to area chat when I try to get a group together (and I'm on a high pop server - azezel).  The interface for communication is horrible, but I'm assuming they fix it in the near future.  I'm not done playing this game just yet.  The pvp is fun, at least in scenarios where its harder for chaos to use its numbers advantage.

By community you mean wow-esque garbage on general chat?

WTS xxx

I had your mom

how do I move

PC on XXX

CHUCK NORRISSSSSSSSS

 

Does the above, scintillating, "community chat" make you feel warm inside, and the lack of this crap make you feel alone in the WAR world?

Your maturity is something to behold.

And your comprehension skills are less evolved than a chimp. Pleas explain what exactly was particulary "immature"?

Insulting someone because you felt insulted?  /sigh   "I know I am, but what are you?"  Ring a bell?  Are you Peewee Herman,  or has this cop-out method of "rebuttal" become the norm on forums?

Do you play WoW? Have you?  Actually I DO play WoW.  Not sure if the poster you're referring to does, so let me address this little part of your diatribe in his stead.  Do you think the general chat tabs are full of highbrow conversation about the Turner Prize? Relativity, Thermo-Dynamics? Art, music? nooooope.. 90% falls into the WTS/MOM/NORRIS area.  Uhm, what time of day do you play, and have you never heard of the ignore list feature?  YOUR general chat tab might be full of garbage, but mine actually IS full of adult conversations about ALL kinds of things.  Generally when someone starts blabbing, that calls people "chimps" (or worse) for having a different opinion of things, I make liberal use of the /ignore feature.  Problem solved.

Oh and by the way, in four years of playing, I have yet to see "WTS" in general chat.  Now if you want to argue that idiots post in trade channel, oh I'll agree with that.  However, I only see that channel when I'm in a major city, AND amazingly enough, the /ignore feature still works in major cities!

 

Here, let me "help" him explain what exactly "was particularly 'immature.'"  (see above)

EDIT:  Why the Warhammer fanbois don't just post something simple like, "I love this game.  I don't care if you like it,"  I will never know.  Instead, they seem to feel some inane compulsion to tear down every other game, all the while acting as though Warhammer is the game god's gift to gaming.  Even the WoW fanbois are humble enough to admit the imperfections of their favorite game.  This pretty much holds true for the majority of posts I have seen from "these camps."

Maturity generally helps one to see that there is very little, if any, "black and white" in the world, but rather multiple shades of grey.  The same is true in games.  There IS no "perfect" game.  They all have positives and negatives, and the OP was simply pointing out what HE felt were some of the negatives.  Is that so difficult for you to handle?  Your level of nerd rage over it seems somehow...imbalanced.

The Agency   will be out before long.  I'm not sure if that's the kind of game you're talking about, but it sounds like it might be.  I'm pretty excited about it, myself, although....it's coming out under the SOE (Sony) name, and that....worries me a bit.  :(

Originally posted by susanto1228

Originally posted by girlgeek

Originally posted by blueturtle13

Runes of Magic. Hands down. Just wait.

 

Oh believe you me....some of us are waiting and NOT very patiently.  I'm almost CRAZY from waiting and wanting to play it.  I want this game out like YESTERDAY, but....I digress.

Right NOW, I feel the best f2p is probably Perfect World.  I'm not playing it right now, simply because I've been busy, but...I will soon go back to it, as I'm ONE level from my flying "mount."  Lots of quests, and fairly challenging.  The crafting is good, in depth.    I enjoyed tailoring and things I made that ended up with good stats and bonuses (some luck involved there) sold well on the auction.  Harvesting is fun, questing is fun, my guild is/was full of wonderful people.  The dungeons were challenging and fun.  At lvl 30 it's open PvP....I like that challenge too.  (There are some safe zones.)  I like that guilds can control cities and they can also be taken away from them.  The graphics are soft and lovely, sometimes even breathtaking (although, they make liberal use of bloom, it seems well used in this title).

Character customization that is OFF THE HOOK.  I didn't look like another single solitary soul that I ever ran in to, other than my armor.

I could probably keep going on and on about Perfect World.  I will say....there's a bit of a learning curve when you first start, as the controls, while comfortable after just a short while....aren't so comfortable at FIRST, simply because they're a bit different.  And finding your way around in the LARGE cities is a bit crazy at first too.  BUT....it's very fun to explore.

I've played a LOT of the f2ps, and PW has come out on top for a long while, for me, now.  I play on the Malaysian EN version, by the way.  I hear the International one is even better, but....as it seems to take actual EFFORT to level, I'm not really interested in starting all over on the International...LOL.  I feel like I worked to get to level 29, so...I'm staying on the Malaysian.  If I was starting it as a NEW game to me, I'd roll on the International though.

Other f2ps that were fun, that I remember:

ROSE Online

Trickster

Ryzom (so much a sandbox game though...it's hard to get started with absolutely NO direction)

Swords of the New Coast

Cabal (probably the next best after PW)

 

@xfrozenx:

PW is from an Asian market and they have made it so that if you WANT to grind....you can.  However...I hate grinding and haven't had to do any.  There are sooooo many quests and quests chains, it's just not really necessary.  So if you're bored of grinding...just don't DO it.  LOL :)

 

correct me if I'm wrong but it ANy of these games you guys are mentioning have like Store bought items in game like armor weaons and such, then you shouldn't even recommend that to this guy, BUYING ingame items iS BS

and you know it

Okay....you're wrong. :)

Perfect World has an item mall.  It has NO armor or weapons or ANYTHING that affects you in game.  It DOES have clothing that you wear for SHOW (no stats or anything, you just wear it basically to show on your character rather than people seeing your actual armor), things like extra bank slots tokens (which you can ALSO earn from quests in the game), some mounts that are a tiny percentage faster than the in game quested mounts, and a couple of mana and hp regen trinket type things, that don't do anything more than simply "zen" does in the game, and everyone HAS that. 

So....now you stand corrected. :)

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by Gazenthia

Originally posted by nikoliath

Does the above, scintillating, "community chat" make you feel warm inside, and the lack of this crap make you feel alone in the WAR world?

Nice try.

Free flowing communication is essential in an mmorpg, especially one that is reliant upon said community working together. Assuming that general chat is only for useless crap is idiotic in the extreme. What do you talk about in your guild channel? What do you talk about to other people in real life, or do you? Oh yeah, there are also the practical purposes I have described before-hand that you willfully choose to ignore.

If they don't fix the chat interface, that alone will kill the game. It doesn't matter if the game is heavily populated or not, what matters is how it feels to the players. And if it feels like the game is empty, it will be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Why the hell do I need or even want to know what someone, else where in the game world with whom I have no connection or intrest, was doing in real life? 

Maybe your guild chat reflects the total toss you get in WoW Barrens chat? /shrug. I chat to guildies on guild chat, party members in party chat and warband members in warband chat. I have had no compulsion or need to reach out to the server and share my chuck norris jokes with them.

maybe you ought to stick to chat rooms for cybering.

My guess is that you're one of the tweenagers or teenagers that is responsible for the "Barrens Chat" sort of crap.  I have an easy solution to that sort of nonsense in EVERY MMO....those people meet my ignore lists rather quickly.  Therefore, MY chat window is full of fun chat from my guild, the zone I'm in, the city I'm in, trade channel, and the people standing next to me.  When I'M playing a game, the game worlds feel full and vibrant because of the communities.  People that don't CONTRIBUTE to the community feeling of a game, are a bit like annoying children in real life....best seen and not heard....hence  /ignore.

I love how your only "retort" to the poster you quoted was to accuse them of being one of the in game idiots.  That's becoming fairly typical for people who want to defend the weaknesses in Warhammer.  WAR, as a game, doesn't SUCK....but that does NOT mean that it doesn't have some glaring weaknesses, nor does it mean that everyone is going to love it like YOU do.  /resists urge to call "niko" an arrogant pri**    .....oh dang....I just did, didn't I?  O_o

Originally posted by vesavius

Originally posted by Owyn

I could not disagree more with the OP.

Thats fine, your allowed to :P

Far from being dead, the PQs on my server are almost ALWAYS active, at least during "prime time" hours. 

Well, not on mine, and not on a LOT of others servers.

Chat?  Methinks someone has spent too much time in WOW.

Played WoW for like 2 days, and can't say I thought much of it.

Assumptions only make an...

WAR's chat is like Eve, and like AC, and like...oh, darned near every other game except WOW.  =P

Not true, but I havent the energy to educate you here.

 Why on earth would I WANT to listen to the random spam scrolling by my screen from hundreds of people I don't know talking about random topics I really don't care about?

Truth is, YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

You CAN TURN IT OFF.

If you dont wanna participate, then just don't, but why argue it's bad for the rest of us who want it and see the value of it past lazy cliched thinking?

  I like to listen to my guild, and chat with them - many of them I have known for 5+ years in many games.

Me too, but you know what?

I like to meet NEW people as well.

After all, thats how I met my original guild in '99.

 

PvP is outstanding, the best I've seen in a new game in YEARS.

Zerg no skill spam PvP is rubbish.

People need to get it through their heads that this is Not WOW.

Hey, man, thats your frame of reference, not mine.

Assumption only makes an....

 Let go of the preconceptions, and play the game for what it is, rather than for what you think it ought to be. 

This really is the last refuge of the beaten debater...

Like it or leave..

lol

honestly - you're in the minority