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Originally posted by PatchDay

Originally posted by Lordmonkus

Did anyone stop to think that the real reason for the end of ghost training is because there are now too many people training toons for next to nothing and then turning around and selling those toons for isk ?

 

Then get rid of trading characters for ISK. Does that not 'cheat' other people? I dont understand why people can go pay real money for ISK, then trade that ISK for a veteran character with ZERO work.

Yet- if I ghost train, I'm somehow exploting the game?

This does not compute

 

Could it be- some suit at CCP thought they were not making money from ghost training so squashed that. But since selling GTCs gives them a benefit in their wallets they keep that around. This is why they hiked the prices of GTC (60 GTCs now)

They are making money from the sell of GTCs now. so, they make money from character trading and ISK sales. But they were not able to trace on their spreadsheets a direct benefit for ghost training.

 

 

How about this idea for an exploit and a damn good reason for the removal of ghost training ?

Gold farmer sets up 100 accounts and starts ghost training them all for 2 years and pays for maybe 6 months instead of the 24 months he would normally have to. Gold farmer makes a ton of real world money. Do you not see where this could be a big problem ?

Did anyone stop to think that the real reason for the end of ghost training is because there are now too many people training toons for next to nothing and then turning around and selling those toons for isk ?

Originally posted by Fariic

Do they have any noticable impact on performance?

No.

Here's some mods I have been using

LibSlash: This mods is actually required by most mods.

BuffThrottle: This mod is supposed to increase performance in pvp with so many buffs and debuffs happening.

SpamMeNot: Blocks gold spam and does it very well.

Squared: If you are a healer and used Grid for WoW then you will want this mod.

Eve is a game of doing what you want to and not what the game says you should. The skill system lets you go have fun doing something interesting instead of worrying about the fasted way to level.

Those who think it sucks only look at total skillpoints instead of relevent skillpoints, this proves they do not fully understand how the system works and why it is awesome. I guess they would rather chase the never ending loot grind of other mmos.

Originally posted by daveains

Originally posted by Kyleran

My first go at 0.0 was when I had about 4M SP's, the next time I was around 15M or so, next time I'll probably be near 25M SP's, and have a wide variety of roles I can fill.

Right now I am able to jam a ship into helplessness, fly at speeds so fast I can't be hit, shoot guns for incredible distances that few can match, and am training to fly Dreadnaughts, one of the Capital ships in the game.  

 

And that, unfortunately, is why I will not play Eve again. It's not a level playing field at all. If you can do all those things because you, as a player, demonstrated the skill to do them in game, thereby upping your character's skills, that's fine. Because that means, if I put in the effort and have the skills, *I* can do it too. If I fail, it's my own fault.

But you didn't put in effort and skills, because you weren't allowed to by CCP. You just paid for your character's skills to increase steadily over time. Not hating you, hating the game, just to be clear. And everyone thinking of trying the game needs to hear these words.

Eve's "pay for training" model means that you will pay, and pay, and pay, and never ever be able to PLAY at the level of someone who got into game before you. It's a beautiful sucker play- "Hey, free training with your subscription!". You feel like you're getting something for free that you have to work for in other games.

Until you find out that their training system is omgwthicbi ridiculous. It is the most mindbogglyingly overcomplicated anal-retentive training system ever created by the minds of people. My proof? Just look at the Eve training programs created by other people to penetrate the Borg-like bureaucracy of the system, so that you could create a coherent training schedule to reach your goal in-game. Because you sure as H E double-hockey-sticks weren't going to figure it out on your own.

So what you say? It's "free" right, so who cares if you waste some time? Try out one of those training programs and see just how long you will have to pay (and wait!) for your free training before you can play anywhere NEAR the level required for combat. It's like SIX MONTHS from the time you get into game. Run the test. Your ship will need to be a T2 ship, and you will need to be skilled at T2 weapons for that ship, not to mention the basic navigation, engine, and energy skills, PLUS anything special you want to do like jamming. Oh and you'll need like 20-30 million to buy the ship and weaps. You start the game running missions for a couple thousand creds each lol.

By which time, of course, everyone else is also six months ahead on their training. Whether they even bothered to play or not, because as long as you pay and click on new skills to train, your character learns.

(*please, no "big lie" bullcrap from people about being able to "have fun being a tackler in a T1 frigate right from the start". That's a ticket to being assigned to hang around absolutely uselessly by a gate while you wait for someone to jump in, which in no way qualifies as "fun", and will cripple your char's ability to advance right from the start. If you are not in a T2 ship, you are a floating bag of loot waiting to go pop.)

My personal theory is that this is how CCP justified their financial model to their investors - "See Mr. Moneybags? Right here on the spreadsheet is how long it will take ANY character to be able to fly a cruiser. We know this because of our marvelously unique training system will not allow them to reach it any faster, no matter how skillful a player they are or how hard they try. And we estimate 80% of people will keep paying us until they can fly a cruiser, so that's where our financial planning figures come from. So we can pay you back your 10 million dollars because we will hold back every player long enough to make them pay for it. Can we have the check now?".

So sorry to say, but you need to know this about Eve. Underneath everything else everyone has said is this one simple fact- no matter how good a player you are or how hard you try, you will always be less of a player than some retarded jerk filling the channels with hate-filled obscenities, who just happens to have been paying CCP longer than you.

Good luck whatever you decide!

 

Wow, what a pile of crap you just spewed. This lame arguement has been proven wrong so many times its amazing people still think and spread this thought about Eve.

Read through the millions of other posts about Eves combat system. it's not something easily summed up.

But to answer your questions. Yes, movement matters and there are many different tactics but it is not about twitch flight sim style combat and NO combat is not just skill points and items. Well it may be that way in PvE but in PvP there are a ton of factors.

PvE combat does not equal PvP combat at all. They are extremely different.

Neocron is actually in a decent spot right now, all the latest patches put the game in a state I would say is about the same as it was at launch in terms of fun, some things are better. Plus they dropped the price to 5 euros a month but the publisher Tentacle recently went under and the billing department started closing accounts but Reakktor actually stepped in and now the game is free (for how long I dont know. If you have had a Neocron 2 account in the past you can now login and play for free.

There is some group pve content but it's more in the complex running. While this is pve it isn't anything like a traditional dungeon or raid type of situation. Since you like grouping there is lots of that in pvp and there is some grouping for corp  mining operations. So basically while there is pve content it is limited and does take a backseat to the pvp content.

Skills train while offline in real time. There is no advantage to playing more when it comes to your characters skills but there is a financial benefit to playing more and just plain gaining game play experience which counts for a lot more in Eve than most other MMOs. The money to replace losses and the knowledge to avoid losses are far more valuable than characters skill levels.

Hope this helps you out.

Let me guess, you rolled a Caldari character and aske dyour questions in the starter corp chat. Caldari noob chat is almost as bad as barrens chat in WoW.

This is purely my guess however.

The Minmatar starter channel is a great place, very helpful people there and very few asses unlike the Caldari one. I don't know what the Amarr and Gallente ones are like.

The devs have stated they they plan to continue the game for another 10 years atleast.

Originally posted by Trollstar

Hmm....a real twist in the resolution of the issue.  All the folks who slammed the OP owe him a what???

An apology.

And for those folks ill-informed about what CCP does to people who buy ISK from sources outside the official channels?  Take it from one who knows first hand, no bans, no suspensions, they just take the ISK away from you.  They don't even fine you or anything.

Sure it sucks to lose it, but hey, I had it for almost a year before they caught up to me and it served as the seed money to get me started in the game. 

No regrets

 

Hell I will apologize for supporting the slams. The OP should also apologize for saying their support sucks and would have to wait a long time, they came to these forums and saw his post and fixed the problem and quickly too. How cool is that ?

Originally posted by kovah

My guess on the scenario:

OP sees ISK spam

OP visits ISK spammers website

OP enter his credit card info for teh ISKs

ISK spammer delivers but wrong amount

OP petitions ISK spammer cause he's ticked

OP gets teh ban hammer

CCP wins

 

ORRR....  he's just trolling.  Either way I also don't buy the OP's story as the FULL story so i'll happily make up my own account of the events.

Of all the petitions I have filed I have never been banned.

Originally posted by Zenren

I was just qouting from my own experience above. I'm happy so many people resort to name calling and pseudo profanity to express themselves, it really makes your argument more factually sound.

Well I am the only person to respond to you, so please show me where called you a name or use any "pseudo profanity".  That's right, I didn't.

Number one... the four things you end up doing in this game are- Mine, Missions, Craft, and PvP... that's it. How is that different from any other MMO out there? The graphics are good, especially with the new expansion, but the skills over time system still sucks. I will not play this game for that reason alone.

Well yes you do have all of those in near every other mmo out there but this has no meaning whatsoever. Its like saying an orange is a fruit just like an apple therefore both are the same. Eve differentiates itself in many other ways like the fact that it's mining, crafting, PvP and missions to a lesser extent all factor into the economy which very few mmos do.

Eves skill system is awesome. You can train any and every skill if you choose. You can train offline so you don't get left behind when you go on vacation or miss a few days. Id rather not be forced into grinding mobs to level. In Eve i set my skill and go play the game how I want to.

Also I've been in guilds and seen people who've PvPed... the one who wins repeatedly is the one who's been playing longer. If you end up beating another guild with more tenured members, it's because you swarmed them with a million freaking newbs.

LoL, PvP fights are won by experienced players because they know how to fit their ships and how to use the environment. Vet players just have game experience which helps them win. Vets don't get tense or freeze up.

The death penatly in this game does suck... I mean really suck. Nothing like losing a ship you've spent a month saving up money for and finding out the insurance doesn't give you crap back, of course if you forget to clone, you might as well just hang up your suspenders and go join the Ogres, 'cause "there aint no comin' back" (that's my crow qoute).

Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.

The people who are ranting against me have time on their side. They'll say all this crap because they have an investment in the game and don't want to see the new membership drop, otherwise who will they use as cannonfodder? I mean that qoute about using the war as a lesson in PvP for the new members is priceless. It shows the arrogance and superiority that's rampant in this game. You aint shit if your character isn't at least a 2006 vintage... 

So yell and scream and bitch about what I said, but this was, and is, my experience with this game. The reason it's so popular is because the company advertises up the yin yang and most people find it hard to leave after they've invested so much time into the game.

Quit being so melodramatic.

For most people it's like an addict kicking a drug, the only way they'll admit there's a problem is when it's finally to painful to keep doing the drug, otherwise they'll defend it until they either die from it or suffer some kind of consequence that prevents them from continuing.

Drug addict. Actually I don't play Eve right now but I will be back probably with the next expansion.

Is this game any different from any other MMO out there? NO... the mechanics are exactly the same. The skills over time system, the massive death penatly, and the inability to "TRULY" compete with anyone who has been in the game for a significantly longer period of time, is the reason I have not come back, and probably will never come back. My personal opinion, go pick a game that's not so time intensive... this one is really going to keep you from the real world. I personally started playing Shot Online because it gives me an MMO experience, yet I can be done with it in 30 minutes.

Just so you know opinions can be wrong and you are indeed wrong.

Also Earth and Beyond was 10 times funner than Eve... and I still boycot EA because they canceled the game when it was still popular.

Zenren

Originally posted by Zenren

I played this game for a few months way back and finally quit. Reason one, you'll never be able to compete with those people who've been in the game for more than a year (lies, been posted here on the forums many times why this is simply not true) , not even if you end up being in the game for a year. Reason two, the game is repetitive, as in you end up doing the same things over and over (yup keep doing the same thing and that thing becomes repetitive boredom. Luckily there's a ton of other things to do in Eve and you aren't locked into the class you picked last year). Reason three, after awhile you have to leave safe space to make the money you need to (really ? I made more money solo in high sec doing level 4 missions and never entering low sec space at all if I didn't want to), hence you become the prey of the vultures and miscreants that seem to plague this game and because of reason one, you're defenseless against them. (defenseless ?? learn how to defend yourself, there are ways. I guess it's just easier to insult the players than to think isn't it ?)

Now with that being said, it's a good game, not great. The skill over time system sucks. It's the worst way to level I've ever seen and the reason I originally quit (I guess you would rather grind missions or some retard mob all day to level ?). I noticed one day I wasn't going to be able to pilot the ship I just bought til I trained one skill for over 30 days... adios EVE, hello EQ2 (lol)

I originally played the game to get my Earth and Beyond fix, which I never did. As of yet there is not a single sci-fi space game that is better than Earth and Beyond was. I have boycotted EA, as many other people I know have, because they took down the game when they were still making money, so they could canabilize its staff for other games.

That's enough of my rant. Try this game, some people like it, but understand most people don't seem to stick around and there's a reason for that. Also I believe the reason that they're so successful getting new subscribers is that they spend more money advertising than nearly any other mmo out there. (No one sticks around ?? I guess that's why Eves population is constantly growing unlike every other MMO out there other than WoW)

Zenren 

 

So far your post is full of bs and lies. Do you have anything else to add ?

Trading can be done with just your starter money and nothing else. Just because this is possible it doesn't mean that it is easy. This takes very good knowledge of the games market and market system.  Don't let this desauade you though, try it out if you want to. It is doable afterall.

Mining is very boring and not very good to start with. Some people love to mine though and the game needs them. I just won't do it

Missions is your most reliable supply of income. Start your character as a combat type, do your tutorial missions to get a little bit of money and then upgrade your frigate asap. Then go do level 1 missions, some of them can be very challenging solo early on. You will lose some ships but also I think they even give you some ships as mission rewards now.  Read up on the forums about ship fittings for missions this should make mission running easier.

Go for what you think you would enjoy the most. The one thing all of the professions have in common is the fact that you get otut what you put in it. Put in time and you will be rewarded well. Don't be afraid to join a corp either and do what they need.

Sometimes they do this when an account has been hijacked. Once it has become hijacked it has then been used for exploitive purposes. I know the wording from Blizz is confusing and it makes it sound like you are guilty. Best thing to do is contact them and try and get it straightened out. If indeed your account has been hijacked then you will need to make absolutely certain your system is clean of keyloggers before getting your account back or it will just get hijacked and banned again.

This is has happened to a friend of mine.

Good luck.

Edit: BTW chances are your account didn't get hacked but more than likely hijacked or stolen using a keylogger probably installed through a website you went to. Hacked makes it sound like  some douche just broke into your system and stole your account. Being hijacked still sucks and is wrong but you are partly yo blame from it so learn from it rather than assume some ass screwed you over and there was nothing you could have done about it.

Try the faction warfare out.

Originally posted by Aethios

 

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Originally posted by Lordmonkus
40 minutes is too long ? You can't exactly explain how to pvp to a noob in 5 minutes.

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I don't expect it to be done in 5 mins but you could include some sort of warning or "oh by the way it's a 40 min video." I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a video linked on a forum to be something scrapped together with all the good bits, not a play-by-play of the entire seminar.

Oh I am so sorry I didn't know there was some rule that says youhave to warn people of a 40 minute video.

 

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I don't know what you mean about her sounding like she didn't want to be there. She sounds happy enough but maybe she is a little hung over or something, they do like to drink alot at the fanfests.

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Drunk maybe, I don't know, but she's rolling her toes and saying "uh" and "um" every other word. It's unprofessional at best. I was expecting one of their spokespeople or something.

Why in the world would you send a spokesperson to talk about pvp in Eve ? You send someone who pvps to give an informational seminar to players about how to start in pvp. This isn't a presentation to some no nothing investors here.

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"Call me paranoid, but I wouldn't click on any link from the .tv domain. Just me, but safe.  :)"

I wouldn't call you paranoid at all. It is good practice to not click links you don't know. However there is nothing I can do about that other than tell people to check my post history and you will see that I don't post shit links.

"You forgot to mention that A) the video is 40 minutes long, and B) the speaker sounds like she REALLY doesn't want to be there."

40 minutes is too long ? You can't exactly explain how to pvp to a noob in 5 minutes. I don't know what you mean about her sounding like she didn't want to be there. She sounds happy enough but maybe she is a little hung over or something, they do like to drink alot at the fanfests.

Fact of the matter still remains. The video is an amazing introduction for new players as to what to expect in Eve pvp and how to learn to pvp.

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Watch this how to pvp seminar from the 2007 fanfest. Its a great starter tutorial for those who have never done any pvp at all and want to learn the basics.

www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp