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Sarah Palin: The conservative's most memorable one night stand

I actually feel sad for her at this point. I will not poke fun at her anymore.

It is so obvious that McCain picked her because she fit the template of what he was looking for on the surface, yet she is clearly not ready for this position, and even the slightest amount of vetting would have proven that.

I really see her as having been exploited by the republican party. After seeing her level of confidence, I'm sure she thought she was up to the challenge, so there was no way she would turn down this opportunity. I think McCain owes the entire Palin family, as well as the American people, an apology for such a reckless and destructive political ruse.

McCain should do the right thing and get a consummate professional on the ticket before Thursday. There is no need to further embarrass this woman or her family.

Originally posted by Vemoi

God he isn't the lucky one. It is sad what some drink and 20 or so years does to one of my old favorite tunes. Compare...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrAwK9juhhY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig3EjNlKP5M&feature=related

That's more than "some drink" Vemoi. That's full time drunk and part time other junk.

Shane Macgowan still has more spirit than any pop icon of his generation. Fuck it if he can't hold a note and mumbles half the lyrics. I'll still buy his stuff. At least it's original.

Another of my favorites is Steve Earle. Seen here with Sharon Shannon. For the record, I don't think you can ever go wrong with a fiddle, accordion, ukulele, and tin whistle.

Also, much to my amazement, I was actually introduced to a great band on a reality show/talent competition. Cliff Wagner and the Old No. 7 from "The Next Great American Band" fame.

Originally posted by bluberryhaze

 i think the moderator is winning this debate.

 

Poorly moderated debate. Jim clearly wanted them to fight and neither (thank god) resorted to it.

The debate was pretty even in my opinion. Obama smoked him in the first 30 minutes on economics but John livened up when the foreign policy questions started rolling in.

I doubt the undecideds made up their mind over this debate.

This should have been McCain's big night though. With such a history and amassed experience, McCain, by all rights, should have wiped the floor with Obama. That clearly didn't happen.

Tie goes to the new guy. Obama wins simply by not losing.

Only 27 "Assumptions" made by the creator of this tool.

Thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick with the Tax Policy Center.

NOTE: I'm not insinuating that this is a biased tool. It's simply not accurate in my opinion.

Assumption #17: ElectionTaxes is not an attempt to model the entire current tax law, nor 100% of the details of either candidate’s tax proposal. If it works as intended, some users may find that it could provide informative input to a debate about the merits of the candidates’ tax plans.

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Given that all Obama Has to do is Fart and the press is standing there saying it smells like Roses you think McCain has a reason to Not do stunts?

Of course not. McCain has to resort to stunts. He has a running mate that can't answer a simple question without looking like a beauty queen who found herself in a presidential campaign.

Anyway, it's not like stunts are new to political campaigning. It's the people who refuse to admit that it's a stunt that are alarming to me.
 

And the ad was probably paid for over a month ago. They wouldent give him it back at this point because it would cost them money.

What does ads already being paid for have to do with suspending his campaign? If you say you're pulling ads, pull ads, or don't say it to begin with. Again, it was a political stunt that backfired. At least he distracted some attention away from his floundering running mate.

That's what's so funny about all of this. McCain picked Palin to add some media attention to his campaign, and now he's pulling stunts to spur some media attention away from Palin. We all knew this was going to happen.

Originally posted by Faxxer

 

From what i'm gathering from a just a few min ago press conf from some repubs...

The democrats don't need their votes if they want this so bad, the repubs are outgunned by the MAJORITY of democrats for it.....  but why won't pelosi bring it to a vote?   The dems have to face it, they are political cowards because they don't want to be the sole pushers of this puke on the people.  

I admit i was for some form of bail out at first, but the more i think about it the more it stinks......let the economy self adjust itself.  in 2 years we'll be fine again and all the sludge will be gone.

somehow i suspect that the dems and bush will push something through though without any problem in the end.....it's just delaying the inevitable......and that is....it needs to crash for a while to self correct.

The house republicans are worried about their seats, and they should be. The majority of Americans are against the bailout. However, the majority of Americans don't know what's best for them. The majority of Americans have less knowledge about the economy than McCain does (and that isn't a helluva lot).

Granted, the bailout -the way it's currently structured- may not be the best resolution. But some form of injection is going to be required. Doing nothing isn't an option. Especially for those already in, or nearing retirement.

I think the republicans are also completely aware that Obama is going to win the presidency. So why would they want to help curtail the economic woes for his administration? Better in their view to let it fall apart and stockpile ammunition for 2012.

Palin 2012? ROFL

Originally posted by Slythe

Having to get dragged there is better than saying that you need to go there, cancel your scheduled debate and then decide to show up at the debate after all. Publicity stunt, much?

You left out how he suspended his campaign. Even though McCain ads never stopped airing here in Georgia.

McCain's words mean nothing. Since he can no longer exploit Sarah Palin to draw attention to his campaign, he will have to resort to more drastic measures.

Well, considering the economic and political fuel we've been burning the past few days, I was actually surprised to see Ike make the world news last night. For anyone that missed it,  Galveston was opened up to welcome back the evacuees. It looks like 75% of homes and businesses in Galveston are uninhabitable. Residents on the west side have been asked to "look and leave". Basically, search for anything salvageable, throw it in a truck, and then get out. Residents whose homes were protected by the sea wall are permitted to stay beyond the 6:00 curfew. Approximately 70% of the city is without power at this point, and no water or sewage is available.

Times are tight, and the future is uncertain, but please keep those suffering from these tragedies in your thoughts and prayers.

It's sentences like the following that immediately precede my exit:

"Everyone make copies of this article and send it everywhere so
everyone will be fully aware of how the economic collapse was
engineered to happen on purpose."

These types of statements are laced with such desperation that even the slightest sense of credibility is near impossible. Oh yea, and the economic collapse was purposefully engineered by the most uninformed and inept administration in history.

However, I'd bet my life savings that Bush could fuck up a steel ball with a rubber hammer. I think we should put him in an isolation chamber until January and let him try. Even if he fails, it'd be worth my life savings just to take him out of the equation until then.

@ deviliscious

Put down the coffee and turn on some jazz. Breath in through your nose and out through your mouth. Slow, deep breaths. Congress can offer a smaller sum in the interim while the finer details get resolved. Don't get so upset. This isn't end times.

By the way, do you happen to be a gun owner?

The Palin bounce is over and done with. I think he's hoping for a Paulson bounce. News flash John, Paulson isn't even remotely folksy or cute.

Obama gains momentum and McCain loses momentum. He's simply trying to stop the bleeding.

Speaking of bleeding, McCain hasn't seen fit to cast a vote since April. He has missed more votes this year than any other senator (including those recovering from brain hemmorhages ).

So, please excuse me if I'm a little skeptical of his motives.

I think it's clear what's happening here. McCain is shopping for a new economics adviser and they all seem to be on capitol hill at the moment.

Originally posted by Fishermage

So in other words the entire Obama campaign is predicated on one big lie? And you find it hard to believe someone questioning that?

In an effort to avoid this discussion devolving into complete childish chicanery, I will say the following:

If you planned to vote for Obama based not on his policies but on a rainbow and lollipop campaign, then by all means, be upset and don't vote for him.

Good day sir.

Originally posted by Fishermage

There we see it again: respond by attack, instead of denying the charges.

Why would you want me to deny the charges? So we can continue this rediculous debate? There's no need to continue the debate, the facts are available for all to see. Like I said earlier, a clean campaign would have been inspirational. However, I don't know anyone who actually thought it was going to come to fruition. Like you said earlier, "McCain is an old hack politician". We all knew he would fire up the smeartalk express, and we also knew that Obama couldn't afford to take the Kerry route and stand idly by while war was waged against him. Perhaps you miss the days when democrats didn't jump in the mud to defend themselves, but this election is far too important to accept a principled loss.

You're amazed that democrats aren't upset? About what? That Obama didn't run a rainbow and lollipop campaign in rebuttal to the most vicious and blatantly false smear campaign we've ever seen? In case you haven't noticed, we have an economy in shambles, two wars going on, a health care crisis, and ever-increasing job loss (84,000 in August). These issues make me very upset, not which failed McCain policy Obama will attack this week.

I'm finding your entire approach a little hard to believe.

Originally posted by Fishermage

The most interesting thing to see however is what a big phoney Obama is. he CLAIMED that he was something new, something different; that he was the candidate of HOPE, of CHANGE; of a new kind of politics that went beyond the partisan politics of the past.

Too bad that turned out to be another lie from an all too typical politician. Barack Obama: more of the same.

As inspiring as that campaign would have been, Obama has to protect himself from being swift-boated. By the way, it's not like McCain hasn't been talking out both sides of his mouth.

Damn

The 20 year old son of a Tennessee democrat is a hacker.

There is no way Obama can win now

Originally posted by Cabe2323

Only because this is the South and they had to honor MLK in order to not be called racist. 

 

This has nothing to do with the south. I was born and raised in GA and we were never out of school for MLK's birthday. The black students didn't come in on that day, but that actually just led to a more racially charged atmosphere, since those affiliated with the KKK/skinheads would spread their propoganda more openly.

Originally posted by Enigma

lol that was beautiful. Oprah fell for that one. OVER 9000!

Yea, Oprah is a moron for thinking that nobody would make a joke about child molestation.

I am both surprised and not surprised by your "beautiful" comment. Is it so rewarding to see someone troll Oprah that it's worth abandoning compassion for abused children?

You know, people rarely troll in real life conversation.

How funny would it be if Obama and Clinton were debating their health care policies and Edwards just butted in with "oh yea Hillary, well I heard your husband has herpes".

I find that my mood and the events of the day may change my approach a great deal. I tend to be very calculating, with a level temperament, but a certain event can add a degree of emphasis to any given topic, making my expression take more of a personal tone.

Take racism for example. Since I have black friends that deal with it daily, I do take it personally, and my posts generally reflect the emotional investment I have in those situations.

The opposite is true with the Palin attacks. I disagree with anyone attacking her religious views. However, since I don't share her views, I don't take it personally when they are attacked. I simply disagree with the act itself. If I were a christian, I might show more emotion when I post comments concerning those attacks.

I suppose on the issues people feel very strongly about, it's almost like an insult when anyone else attempts to slight their views or assert that they are illogical. I think the reason why the more mature posters argue most fervently is because of the life experiences that have molded their opinions. When you think about racism or religious persecution, it makes a world of difference whether you can recall actual events or your opinion is based on something you read in a book.

I guess your comment was basically that we make no progress by arguing these topics on a message board. To which I'd have to agree. It doesn't mean that we can't find arguing them entertaining though