Originally posted by mercader

Saw that little one liner coming. Wrong.

This is a game, you are overreacting, calling people 'thugs' for destroying your internet spaceship.

Next point, you fail to understand that it is part of the game mechanic for players to be able to blow people up if they want, they take the consequences of that. People should never and will never be allowed to be immune from pvp, you think you love this game, but you want to change the most fundamental aspect of it because you dont like it?

You don't like this game you like the idea of a space MMORPG and as no other softer version is out, like many, you play EVE 'on and off', and tend to make up the loud whinging majority, who, being selfish and requiring everything to be made easy and risk free, need to cry until EVERY game on the market tailored for them.

I was calling the carebears pathetic, the whingers pathetic, they are unwilling to even try to adapt to survive (not hard in high-sec) for the game they mostly claim to love. You jmwiens are a prime example of that. And in  the general pathetic nature of whingers such as yourself you call me a 'thug'. Laughable.

Re-read what you posted and get back to me.

 

 

 

what's funny is that the pvp in eve is incredibly broken.  no?  why did the devs introduce heat?  why are the devs frantically trying to fix pvp every new update?

because, according to the devs, pvp is broken.

stop whining already.  thanks.

Originally posted by ENTR0PY

I've played eve for many years. I am what you pathetic whiney carebears call a "griefer" . I suicide mining ships and haulers in high sec daily for fun and once in a while they drop nice stuff

I do enjoy doing this very much and I don't really do it for the isk since I don't make much from doing it, but I do it for the excitement . The pathetic whining in local and hate mail I receive is a bonus. It's hilarious to hear some adult/kid screaming and whining in local and threatening me in RL.

I don't care where you are what you do you are not safe in eve and your misery actually makes me want to play this game even more. This game is about PVP and nothing is fair in eve so I don't care how you feel this game should be. I play it the way I want to play it within game mechanics and so please go on cry babies because I do it to taste your sweet tears.  I would love for someone to suicide my ships, I think it would be super hilarious.

Tomorrow I am going out with some buddies to suicide gank some faction fit mission ships.

 

You should check out my large stock piles of corpses too because I make sure to smart bomb the pod every chance I get.

 i don't think griefer would be the term i'd use.

noob comes to mind.

it makes me smile to feel that superior to someone covered in noobness - especially someone who actually gloats about being that incredibly weak.

THIS is why a lot of eve players believe they're better than the rest of the world -- weaksauced noobs thinking they're gods and accomplishing something from preying upon carebears.

i completely agree that it's a playstyle, being a weaksauced noob certainly IS a playstyle.

for the record, noob isn't just for people brand new to a game.  the weaksauce-enhanced term - noob, pretty much applies to anyone that resembles a chronic-buffoon in a game, the cowardly, etc.

it's like being conan, watching some mugger beat up a one-armed, blind, 80-year old woman on crutches.  for those keeping track, the mugger would be someone like what the quoted person describes, the 80-year old lady would be the carebear.  THEN, conan chasing down the mugger as the mugger runs off crying and whining into the darkness.

yeah, it's sorta like that.

Originally posted by ENTR0PY

Originally posted by hrobertson

I agree with the OP.

Im not a carebare.. I dont want to have it easy.. I dont want to be wrapped in cotton wool. But thats not to say I think its ok for retards like mercader to gank people that have done nothing wrong. I think it should be more of a reflection of a real society.

I know its just a game but it costs people their subscription and people spend a lot of time and effort to get to where they are.

Would you do that in real life? Kill someone for fun? You know in RL they lock people up for that. Or maybe killing is a bit extreme. So would you burn someone's house down? Or torch someone's car? They have worked hard to get that.. they've put in time and money. They would lock people up for that too. Its called socially unacceptable.

Natttas.. where are you from?!?! Yes society is degrading but it hasnt reached the stage yet where its socially acceptable to burn someones house or torch their car.

If your reason for killing them is not that you like to cause pain but 'for fun'? 'for excitement'? Where is the excitement in ganking some defenceless miner? The excitement of escaping from concord? In that case, why not go and attack an NPC ship?

Im going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the players that gank randomly for the fun of inflicting suffering have something wrong with them. Maybe they were abused or seriously bullied at school or something.

It's only a video game you retard. Killing you in a game =/= killing you in RL.... SERIOUSLY GET A FREAKIN GRIP.

the comparison had already been made about how you can do anything in eve, just like in real life.

this post seems to have been a follow up on that comparison.

judging from your reply, i'd have to say GBTW.

thanks, drive thru.

Originally posted by Garkan

 

Originally posted by hrobertson

I agree with the OP.

Im not a carebare.. I dont want to have it easy.. I dont want to be wrapped in cotton wool. But thats not to say I think its ok for retards like mercader to gank people that have done nothing wrong. I think it should be more of a reflection of a real society.

I know its just a game but it costs people their subscription and people spend a lot of time and effort to get to where they are.

Would you do that in real life? Kill someone for fun? You know in RL they lock people up for that. Or maybe killing is a bit extreme. So would you burn someone's house down? Or torch someone's car? They have worked hard to get that.. they've put in time and money. They would lock people up for that too. Its called socially unacceptable.

Natttas.. where are you from?!?! Yes society is degrading but it hasnt reached the stage yet where its socially acceptable to burn someones house or torch their car.

If your reason for killing them is not that you like to cause pain but 'for fun'? 'for excitement'? Where is the excitement in ganking some defenceless miner? The excitement of escaping from concord? In that case, why not go and attack an NPC ship?

Im going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the players that gank randomly for the fun of inflicting suffering have something wrong with them. Maybe they were abused or seriously bullied at school or something.

Re-read what you post and try to see how this crap sounds, you are basically accusing gamers who play a game as intended of being frothing maniacs. In my experience of EVE it is not the pirates or pvpers that are maladjusted its the carebears.

 

Kill a carebear in game and they talk crap and threaten you IRL they make sexual innuendos about your family or recommended methods of committing suicide all because you blew up their internet spaceship. So which is worse playing a game within its designed mechanics or subjecting somebody to a torrent of threats and abuse? It seems a lot more likely to me that those carebears are the ones with issues separating in game activity with real life.

i think you've confused 'carebear' with 'goonswarm'.

Originally posted by Garkan

 

Originally posted by Wagrof

 

Originally posted by Garkan

 

Originally posted by hrobertson

I agree with the OP.

Im not a carebare.. I dont want to have it easy.. I dont want to be wrapped in cotton wool. But thats not to say I think its ok for retards like mercader to gank people that have done nothing wrong. I think it should be more of a reflection of a real society.

I know its just a game but it costs people their subscription and people spend a lot of time and effort to get to where they are.

Would you do that in real life? Kill someone for fun? You know in RL they lock people up for that. Or maybe killing is a bit extreme. So would you burn someone's house down? Or torch someone's car? They have worked hard to get that.. they've put in time and money. They would lock people up for that too. Its called socially unacceptable.

Natttas.. where are you from?!?! Yes society is degrading but it hasnt reached the stage yet where its socially acceptable to burn someones house or torch their car.

If your reason for killing them is not that you like to cause pain but 'for fun'? 'for excitement'? Where is the excitement in ganking some defenceless miner? The excitement of escaping from concord? In that case, why not go and attack an NPC ship?

Im going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the players that gank randomly for the fun of inflicting suffering have something wrong with them. Maybe they were abused or seriously bullied at school or something.

Re-read what you post and try to see how this crap sounds, you are basically accusing gamers who play a game as intended of being frothing maniacs. In my experience of EVE it is not the pirates or pvpers that are maladjusted its the carebears.

 

Kill a carebear in game and they talk crap and threaten you IRL they make sexual innuendos about your family or recommended methods of committing suicide all because you blew up their internet spaceship. So which is worse playing a game within its designed mechanics or subjecting somebody to a torrent of threats and abuse? It seems a lot more likely to me that those carebears are the ones with issues separating in game activity with real life.

 

To be honest it's your reply that sounds crappy. RL threaths and things that you say carebears do are against the rules and would result in a quick ban if petitioned for harrassment. To say that this is the standard practice of carebears is simply bullshit, you are out of touch, that things happen in your phantasy but not in game.

Your hate against carebears can be explained with jealosy, they have stuff that you will never own, so you think you must ruin their gameplay.   And the anger in game is not even because of highsec-griefing itself. It's because it can be done almost for free with current ship prices and the insurance mechanics. Grief others at basically no cost.  Usually this is done by 13 year old retards who don't stand a chance in pvp, against ships that are fitted for pvp, so they have to blow up a mining ship which can't shoot back, to have their daily dosis of success and to feel "l33t".

 

Back to topic: it's not my intention to give the game a bad rep. It's still the best MMO out there, and all that anger would not happen if there wasn't a harsh "death penalty" which adds a lot to the thrill of the game. Only those to who the game means something, will have any emotions about it at all (be it bad or good ones).Other than in many other mmos, in EvE someone can have a certain power over others (very limited, but since they can affect them emotionally they have a certain power) - and it is like in rl - not everyone can handle power. 

It's just like someone way above said, the degeneration of society causes a lots of bastards that see their purpose of life to in harming others  - and since in real life they are restricted to do so by law and law enforcement, they look for games like eve where they can do just that - harass and grief others for fun, even if they don't gain anything else than that griefing expirience.

Posting assumptions is never a good idea, I live in 0.0 and 99% of my fights are against pvp fitted ships, as for stuff I would never own I have had and thrown away most of the stuff carebears treasure as well as supplying them with their dream faction mods for their CNRs, and your reference to the value of E-peen items reveals you to be a carebear yourself and you persist in being unable to separate activities in game from real life as you are adamant that people who kill pixels are wrong in the head IRL.

 

Further more your smack directed at me illustrates my point that the carebears are the ones full of anger and hatred probably born out of inadequacy in game because they feel their E-peen doesn't size up and they are unable to see that E-peen does not matter.

And as for being "out of touch" I'm not the one that just posted on these forums going "OMFG there is unconsentual pvp in EVE"

what carebears are you killing in 0.0?

cmon now, tell the truth, you're one of the *people* that sucicide gank in empire and aren't doing a great job of hiding it.

Originally posted by Plasuma!!!

This thread is apparently torn between two sides: the "it's just a game, play for fun or GTFO"  crowd and the "Internet bullying is not cool" crowd.

They both have valid arguments.

 

Carebears say, "It's too harsh, the game has gone downhill; it's not fun anymore."

Counter: "People still play it because it's fun for them. In your opinion EVE may have degraded, but others enjoy it just the same. Things change, so adapt or quit. If you don't like the way the game is, then just leave and stop complaining."

Basis of counter: the individual being countered is assumed to be a carebear / newbie or have only a few months or less of total skill and play-time. The countering individual has a multi-year veteran or a relatively new account and enjoys the way the game is going. They wish to continue doing what they enjoy.

 

Pirates say, "It's just a game, stop whining. I adapted, so if you can't then GTFO."

Counter: "Bullying is bullying whether it's in reality or on the internet, and doing so in a community-based game is just as negative as in real life. After playing the game for a long while and finally getting enough money for something cool... only to have all that effort lost in an instant by some malicious players is very troubling. The loss is a great time investment when you gank and exploit the rules. It is a big deal."

Basis of counter: the Individual being countered is assumed to be notorious pirate who likes to grief players in high-security space and insult people in chat. The countering individual is a multi-year veteran who enjoyed the game more before rules were changed / exploited. They wish to preserve their investment.

 

One side wants to play for fun and is detached from anything negative that goes on in the game (playing it like a game). The other side sees it as a digital world where time investment and social interaction means as much as it does in reality (living it like an alternate reality).

They're opposite and equally correct.

So pick sides and bark and piss at each other if you must, but you know it will never end.

 

i would have to disagree with a suicide ganker being a pirate.  a suicide ganker is a noobishly weaksauced coward that wouldn't have the balls to try to take someone on in low sec, much less venture into 0.0.

Originally posted by maxx028

Originally posted by CyberWiz

 

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Originally posted by jmwiens
I could not agree more with the original poster.  I've played this game on and off for 4'ish years.  The game play, graphics, and depth are truely awesome.  The community, however, is filled with vicious, cruel, gang-like thugs.  Not everybody is like this but there are enough to ruin the experience for the majority of us.
Look at the World of Warcraft community for the stats.  How many people prefer to play on their PvP servers?  Not many.  The majority of people don't enjoy non-consenual PvP.  CCP is a good company but they don't seem to get this fact.  They actually encourage this type of behavior inspite of the fact that the majority of Eve players who quit, quit for this very reason.
I know what the typical Eve response would be to this post.  Don't play the game then!  Well that's just a shame.  I WANT to play Eve.  I love the game and every aspect of it except the thugs who justify their behavior as "it's just part of the game!".
I'm all for risk in the game.  I don't mind if a pirate corners me and demands my cargo or ransoms me.  Unfortunately it's devolved way beyond that.  Now they kill you because they're bored.  Then they pod you because they can.  The game has become a haven for people like that...

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In WoW there are more PvP servers then PvE servers ( and thus more PvP players ), it has been like this since release. Please get your facts straight.

Greetz

In fact there are 108 pvp/RP pvp realms out of 226. Therefore there are 10 more PVE realms. Please get your facts straight.

then look at the CCP stats and compare the number of folks living in high sec, to those living in low sec and 0.0.

who cares about wow?  not i.

but, the numbers ccp put out, about eve-online, show that most folks live and play in high sec.

but if you guys are so fascinated with wow, you could always GBTW.  

Originally posted by Stumpy26

Lol some of these hate filled carebear replies :). Chaps you are way off the mark here, we arent the mentally challended teenagers that you beleive us to be. The average eve player is over 30 years old. I myself am almost 30 (mid life crises :( ). I am a really nice guy IRL never get in fights, usually polite etc.

You forget 1 thing: ITS A GAME lol just because we blow up defensless ships for fun doesnt mean we are ass hats irl please learn to seperate rl from game life. Personally I blow up ships for shits and gigglesI like the pretty explosions and its like christmass when you loot the wreck cos you never know what you going to find.

So dear carebears: Learn to accept your loss like a man move on and enjoy the game :) (ive been blown countless times haha)

cheers

so, you're part of the sucide gank squad?  because that's not blowing up ships and enjoying the explosions.

i too like to blow up ships.  but i'm not skeered to risk losing my ship, nor do i feel the need to try and pick on young pilots or carebears.

guess you lose. 

Originally posted by damian7

 

Originally posted by Garkan

 

Originally posted by Wagrof

 

Originally posted by Garkan

 

Originally posted by hrobertson

I agree with the OP.

Im not a carebare.. I dont want to have it easy.. I dont want to be wrapped in cotton wool. But thats not to say I think its ok for retards like mercader to gank people that have done nothing wrong. I think it should be more of a reflection of a real society.

I know its just a game but it costs people their subscription and people spend a lot of time and effort to get to where they are.

Would you do that in real life? Kill someone for fun? You know in RL they lock people up for that. Or maybe killing is a bit extreme. So would you burn someone's house down? Or torch someone's car? They have worked hard to get that.. they've put in time and money. They would lock people up for that too. Its called socially unacceptable.

Natttas.. where are you from?!?! Yes society is degrading but it hasnt reached the stage yet where its socially acceptable to burn someones house or torch their car.

If your reason for killing them is not that you like to cause pain but 'for fun'? 'for excitement'? Where is the excitement in ganking some defenceless miner? The excitement of escaping from concord? In that case, why not go and attack an NPC ship?

Im going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the players that gank randomly for the fun of inflicting suffering have something wrong with them. Maybe they were abused or seriously bullied at school or something.

Re-read what you post and try to see how this crap sounds, you are basically accusing gamers who play a game as intended of being frothing maniacs. In my experience of EVE it is not the pirates or pvpers that are maladjusted its the carebears.

 

Kill a carebear in game and they talk crap and threaten you IRL they make sexual innuendos about your family or recommended methods of committing suicide all because you blew up their internet spaceship. So which is worse playing a game within its designed mechanics or subjecting somebody to a torrent of threats and abuse? It seems a lot more likely to me that those carebears are the ones with issues separating in game activity with real life.

 

To be honest it's your reply that sounds crappy. RL threaths and things that you say carebears do are against the rules and would result in a quick ban if petitioned for harrassment. To say that this is the standard practice of carebears is simply bullshit, you are out of touch, that things happen in your phantasy but not in game.

Your hate against carebears can be explained with jealosy, they have stuff that you will never own, so you think you must ruin their gameplay.   And the anger in game is not even because of highsec-griefing itself. It's because it can be done almost for free with current ship prices and the insurance mechanics. Grief others at basically no cost.  Usually this is done by 13 year old retards who don't stand a chance in pvp, against ships that are fitted for pvp, so they have to blow up a mining ship which can't shoot back, to have their daily dosis of success and to feel "l33t".

 

Back to topic: it's not my intention to give the game a bad rep. It's still the best MMO out there, and all that anger would not happen if there wasn't a harsh "death penalty" which adds a lot to the thrill of the game. Only those to who the game means something, will have any emotions about it at all (be it bad or good ones).Other than in many other mmos, in EvE someone can have a certain power over others (very limited, but since they can affect them emotionally they have a certain power) - and it is like in rl - not everyone can handle power. 

It's just like someone way above said, the degeneration of society causes a lots of bastards that see their purpose of life to in harming others  - and since in real life they are restricted to do so by law and law enforcement, they look for games like eve where they can do just that - harass and grief others for fun, even if they don't gain anything else than that griefing expirience.

Posting assumptions is never a good idea, I live in 0.0 and 99% of my fights are against pvp fitted ships, as for