Originally posted by Kyleran
I assure you... its an illusion that you think you could start out in WOW today and catch up to the people who've been playing and raiding hard since opening day....

Trust me...unless you gave up RL completely, and played 14 hours a day you'd never come close...but wait...many of the people you are trying to catch are playing 14 hours a day.....

You'd always be behind them, while you're working on your tier 4 gear, they'll be raking in the tier 6..... trust me....

Theirs a lot of way to have fun in every game besides shooting for being first.... if you start late...you've lost that option, but doesn't mean a game can't still be quite fun.

There is something you're not considering! A diminishing number of people continue to play Eve Online for more than two years. If you plot a chart of skill points against number of people, the graph tails off to zero after approx two years of playing time. You can look at the raw data here:

http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=426

Therefore, if you play for over 1.5 years, you can consider yourself a veteran. Furthermore, you will become even more 'elite' compared to others playing with more time.

If you want to have more skill points than most, start a character before the next 'version' of Eve Online is released. Or to put it another way, when new versions are released there will be a larger influx of new players. If you beat this rush you will have more skill points than those starting players at least.

I anticipate a large number of new players after the graphics are overhauled (this year), and an even larger influx of players once we can walk in space stations (next year).

Alternatively, it is acceptable to buy high skill point characters from players with ingame ISK.

Agree with OP, its why i dont play the game and never played more than the 14 day trial. You get into it and everythings gong great until it says wait 15 days before you can move on... common what kinda commies run this game putting everyone on a timetrack for skills? I want to be able to progress faster if im better than a noob, but i cant. thats when i quit. This game is for people who like to fool themselves into thinking this is hardcore pvp game and they're good at it. Its not, and they're not.

Oh well, I guess there has to be a game for those who get pwned in real pvp games, too bad it has to be this one which ruins a perfectly good game as a result.

Originally posted by bigtime102

Agree with OP, its why i dont play the game and never played more than the 14 day trial. You get into it and everythings gong great until it says wait 15 days before you can move on... common what kinda commies run this game putting everyone on a timetrack for skills? I want to be able to progress faster if im better than a noob, but i cant. thats when i quit. This game is for people who like to fool themselves into thinking this is hardcore pvp game and they're good at it. Its not, and they're not.

Oh well, I guess there has to be a game for those who get pwned in real pvp games, too bad it has to be this one which ruins a perfectly good game as a result.

If you want to progress faster than the skilling system allows, you need to try one of these three careers in Eve:

1) Running your own corporation. This career gives you far more power than flying the best ships. For example, the character SirMolle practically 'won' eve by leading his corp/alliance, Band of Brothers, who now control much of the most profitable areas of space. Being a good leader is not dependent on skill points. However, it demands dedication, intelligence, planning, being a good judge of character, motivating people, and being able to 'see ahead'.

Although this is a demanding career, everyone loves a good leader because the vast majority of players do not have the spare time required to be a good one. However, it sounds as if you do have the time. In addition, you will further your real life skills by doing this job!

2) Trading (buying and selling on the commodities markets). This eventually becomes the most profitable career in Eve by far, making the most money per unit time, and doing so with the least time spent at the keyboard. Seeing opportunities and exploiting them is not related to skill points. However, it probably requires a certain mind-set.

3) Simply being a decent team member. If you work for your corp, good corporation CEOs will give you ships, equipment, skill books, and tasks. Corporations will love you if you want to be covert ops, mine, or transport stuff. These professions do require some skilling up, but are not so skill intensive as PvP warfare.

By the way, covert ops (scouting) in fleet warfare is good training to become a fleet commander one day, if this appeals to you. This is because they both require good communication, identifying what is important, stategic thinking, being patient, and having a fair amount of spare time.

I hope this helps.

Originally posted by DemonknightI
First suggestion is completely rethink your skill system.  There's absolutely no way for a new player to compete with older players no matter how much in-game time he invests...the older players will always have the skill advantage.

Secondly, reduce unnecessary timesinkers.  Most of your time playing this game you'll notice you're just flying towards a jumpgate or a space station and it takes just too dame long.  Some of the missions will start you out 15 minutes away from the jumpgate to begin for absolutely no reason.  No reason at all...

Third, the missions are just horrible.  WoW is a complete carebear game, but at the very least the game had a lot more to do PvE then this game will ever dream of having. 

Fourth, start new players out with much much more money.  You don't start with crap so you get to run the same repatative newbie missions for chump change. 

If you're a newbie solo player, you're screwed completely.  You can't fight anyone cause they're going to have more skills and most likely more money hence better equipment and ship.  If you're lucky enough to know a few people or be in a corporation you'll probably just be known as another anklebiter.

Charging 15$ a month for this game is insulting and shameful.

Totally agree with you, day ago cancelled account. Played for a year and bored to hell. Pvp isn't hardcore since you obviously know the outcome of the battle by looking at the ships and numbers of them.

Too many farming and new players always give up after trial or 1st month of playing. Sad.

Originally posted by DemonknightI
First suggestion is completely rethink your skill system.  There's absolutely no way for a new player to compete with older players no matter how much in-game time he invests...the older players will always have the skill advantage.

Secondly, reduce unnecessary timesinkers.  Most of your time playing this game you'll notice you're just flying towards a jumpgate or a space station and it takes just too dame long.  Some of the missions will start you out 15 minutes away from the jumpgate to begin for absolutely no reason.  No reason at all...

Third, the missions are just horrible.  WoW is a complete carebear game, but at the very least the game had a lot more to do PvE then this game will ever dream of having. 

Fourth, start new players out with much much more money.  You don't start with crap so you get to run the same repatative newbie missions for chump change. 

If you're a newbie solo player, you're screwed completely.  You can't fight anyone cause they're going to have more skills and most likely more money hence better equipment and ship.  If you're lucky enough to know a few people or be in a corporation you'll probably just be known as another anklebiter.

Charging 15$ a month for this game is insulting and shameful.

So you dont like EVE?

Originally posted by Noan

 

Originally posted by DemonknightI
First suggestion is completely rethink your skill system.  There's absolutely no way for a new player to compete with older players no matter how much in-game time he invests...the older players will always have the skill advantage.

Secondly, reduce unnecessary timesinkers.  Most of your time playing this game you'll notice you're just flying towards a jumpgate or a space station and it takes just too dame long.  Some of the missions will start you out 15 minutes away from the jumpgate to begin for absolutely no reason.  No reason at all...

Third, the missions are just horrible.  WoW is a complete carebear game, but at the very least the game had a lot more to do PvE then this game will ever dream of having. 

Fourth, start new players out with much much more money.  You don't start with crap so you get to run the same repatative newbie missions for chump change. 

If you're a newbie solo player, you're screwed completely.  You can't fight anyone cause they're going to have more skills and most likely more money hence better equipment and ship.  If you're lucky enough to know a few people or be in a corporation you'll probably just be known as another anklebiter.

Charging 15$ a month for this game is insulting and shameful.

 

Totally agree with you, day ago cancelled account. Played for a year and bored to hell. Pvp isn't hardcore since you obviously know the outcome of the battle by looking at the ships and numbers of them.

Too many farming and new players always give up after trial or 1st month of playing. Sad.

Dear God - what corp were you in? I'd like to know so I never join them!

It sounds as if they need to improve their management and intelligence gathering.

Originally posted by Noan

 

Originally posted by DemonknightI
First suggestion is completely rethink your skill system.  There's absolutely no way for a new player to compete with older players no matter how much in-game time he invests...the older players will always have the skill advantage.

Secondly, reduce unnecessary timesinkers.  Most of your time playing this game you'll notice you're just flying towards a jumpgate or a space station and it takes just too dame long.  Some of the missions will start you out 15 minutes away from the jumpgate to begin for absolutely no reason.  No reason at all...

Third, the missions are just horrible.  WoW is a complete carebear game, but at the very least the game had a lot more to do PvE then this game will ever dream of having. 

Fourth, start new players out with much much more money.  You don't start with crap so you get to run the same repatative newbie missions for chump change. 

If you're a newbie solo player, you're screwed completely.  You can't fight anyone cause they're going to have more skills and most likely more money hence better equipment and ship.  If you're lucky enough to know a few people or be in a corporation you'll probably just be known as another anklebiter.

Charging 15$ a month for this game is insulting and shameful.

 

Totally agree with you, day ago cancelled account. Played for a year and bored to hell. Pvp isn't hardcore since you obviously know the outcome of the battle by looking at the ships and numbers of them.

Too many farming and new players always give up after trial or 1st month of playing. Sad.

So you played for an entire year bored or you get bored after a year? If you played bored for a year then you are... well I cant say this here. But if you get bored after a year then EVE is a good game, it was playfull for a year boy!

EVE is a frame for us to make our own game out of it. And people who get it do it. People who don't should just leave.

But I warn you, MMO market is crap, you will get bored in any game if you don't know what you want out of a game. So bored in EVE = bored in all games in the long run. Imho.