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EVE Online » Jita (General) » Why "Newbies will never catch up to Veterans" is a myth. Read if you're having doubts.
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Jeratan 7/18/08 11:52:04 AM
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Joined: 10/08/07 |
I constantly hear gripes (from newer players) of various flavours centering around 'eve is too tailored to the older players'... most commonly, the notion new players will never be able to match old school players because of SP discrepancy.
I have a number of characters for various reasons, the highest of which being a Minmatar pilot from June 2003 wth just under 80M Skillpoints - Every single SP directly related to PvP.
If you diversify all your skills spread out over all four races, trying to fly multiple classes early on, it's going to have very large impact on your PvP prowess. Do you think you deserve to be able to pilot a specific ship anywhere near as well as someone who has spent the effort to specialise or has spent 5 years training to do when you do not?
Some people may point out capital ships as the big factor. These of course take longer to fly than usual ships.. but they ARE the biggest and baddest ships in the game. If you specialise for it you can be sitting in a Chimera (Caldari Carrier) in the thick of things with your capital shield tank.. fighter bombing people and laying down heavy logistics support to your gangmates from a trial account in approximatley ~6 months. E:This is something to consider once you already have a good understanding of the eve universe.
The other problem new characters may have is generating isk for such ships (Like capitals). There are so many ways to generate loads of isk but they all take dedication time and effort (Unless you were one of the lucky individuals to win the T2 lottery back in the day). Mining I cannot think of any MMORPG where a new character starts off on equal footing on veteran players. Tony came from that hellhole World of Warcraft where he kept drawing comparisons from Eve (like I see newer players doing), saying he would never be able to catch up.. and I would do the same thing from the opposite perspective... so heres my take on it from that view: A player new to world of warcraft would hit 1-70 in probably 15-20 days /played.. assuming they were pretty competent, dedicated and got in at least 2-3 hours every single day they would reach level 70 within 6 months.. but then they had to go through the process of getting their attunements and tiered gearsets until they got their tier 6 and then there was the case of getting the season 3 arena gear. While there are the exeptions, It's not uncommon at all for new player to take years to obtain this stuff. For one reason or another, people are still getting the idea you need to sit in a station and train for at least 12 months to 'get anywhere'. To provide a view from the opposite side of the spectrum, I'm thinking of including a brief outline of a skill plan for a pilot that will be capable of: |
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ssnautilus 7/18/08 12:23:41 PM
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Hard Core Member
Joined: 5/05/05
GW EQ1/2 SWG MxO PS DDO AO WoW EVE CoH/V (P)EU SoR FFXI VG TR PotBS AoC > GW2 & Fallout MMO |
Very well written article, sir. Makes me want to come back to EVE. Always liked the Elite/Frontier genre.
However, one part you dont mention is steps needed to specialize. YOU are a veteran who knows which ships can outrun and outgun in any given scenario - since you have invested over 5 years learning the ropes. Normal people WILL makes wrong decisions when choosing their skill-trees (and perhaps learn from those mistakes). Reason simply being lack of knowledge. It easy when you know how. I also note that you mention 2 year time frame to get "decently" competitive. Most people will not be investing that kind of realtime. You also mention 0.0 space - which may be granting YOU millions of isk - but a newcomer wont even be getting close to that space without getting blown to bits first. So. What example skill-trees can you outline that will help players specialize in their different roles. And what specialization roles do you recommend for starters. |
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batolemaeus 7/18/08 12:40:08 PM
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Pod Killer
Joined: 9/27/07 |
Btw., i went into 0.0 warfare in a well equipped ship within a few months. It's a matter of preparation and mindset, not sp. Let me redirect you to this fine propaganda poster |
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Eschiava 7/18/08 12:41:14 PM
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Hard Core Member
Joined: 3/30/06 |
Absolutely BRILLIANT article! Bravo! |
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Jeratan 7/18/08 12:53:07 PM
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Novice Member
Joined: 10/08/07 |
"2 year time frame to get "decently" competitive"? Your second point... I really don't think it's that difficult to know what to train. I was a once a noob too. |
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TdogSkal 7/18/08 12:53:34 PM
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Advanced Member
Joined: 5/11/06
Do not fear death, Death will come a knocking anytime it wants. |
I am a newbie and I could careless about catching up to vets... I dont expect to be as good as someone that has played for over a year..... That is just stupid. Skills.. I figure I will learn skills the longer I play so who cares if they have millions of skils to my million... what does it matter, I can only use so many skills why flying my ship. I am current a caldari pilot with a Kestrel equipped with 4 standard Missle launchers. (thanks to nice players at Eve Universty - working on being a memeber soonish) So far the hardest thing is learning the skills and what skills I need to take first... I started training learning but I quickly moved on to other skills and I am going to go back to learning once I figure out what I need. I just downloaded Evemon? and I will be playing with it more when I get home today. So far EvE is alot of fun, I have not done PvP yet but so far I am having tons of fun running missions and learning to pilot my ship... I love missles but from what I read, I need to go with rail guns. So far I am thinking of a sniper/scout ship or a Covert Ops ship. Going to stay with Caldari ships since I like them.....The learning curve is no joke.....I have never played any game that made me take a step back and go hmmm where the hell do I start. |
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Jeratan 7/18/08 1:23:46 PM
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Novice Member
Joined: 10/08/07 |
TdogSkal, You're on the right track mate, and Eve-Uni is a great place to start. |
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xtravert 7/18/08 1:27:41 PM
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Joined: 5/19/04 |
I had a nice little missle boat... nothing like the streaming missles arching towards the enemy... sigh. They're a lot o ffun. You should give them a try at least once. :) |
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saint4God 7/18/08 1:29:48 PM
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Elite Member
Joined: 7/09/07 |
To Jeratan: Ah, okay, so you don't like people 'whining' about EVE, yet you call World of Warcraft a 'hellhole'. I play both. World of Warcraft is more fun, but EVE is a change of pace for me when I need one. My advice would be careful when you're addressing cynical people whilst becoming one yourself. It'll make your case much more effective when you take the high road. |
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Jeratan 7/18/08 2:03:00 PM
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