If you believe for  a second they put nudity in to be "true to the Conan lore" you're seriously confused. It was done to attract the OMG BOOBIES! crowd. Nudity is natural but the way they're using it, even the way Howard used it, is not. The entire point in the novels and the game was to titillate a jaded public.  You'll notice it was incredibly toned down in the De Laurientis movies. The funny part is Funcom was so stupid they didn't know you can't make a mass market game with an M rating and expect parents not to raise hell when little Tommy  gets his hands on it.  Even after they were told exactly what would happen and swore they wouldn't cave.

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by Umbral

Originally posted by altairzq

Tits and gore is not "Mature content", it's  "Inmature content".

 

Breasts and gore are not mature or immature subjects, they are facts of life...

I will never understand why in US culture where violence is always there nude bodies and erotism are immature or wrong... anyway,

 

The main issue is, Conan universe is realistic, is violent  and erotic ( as any primitive culture without christianity, modern moral and hypocrisy). Funcom need to stay true to the original lore.

 

When you are at the beach ( normal beach or nude beach ) and you see a girl doing top less you close your eyes and shout, how immature? You dont do it in your private life, right?

When you see how violent are quests in everquest, wow or any mmo, you stop the game and shout this is immature?

In my opinion it is sad to realize that "colored violence" is cool, but realism or erotism is wrong and immature in the eyes of the masses.

 

....

 

What I meant is that tits ang gore attract the inmature players, not the mature ones, even if it's rated "Mature", so it's a contradiction. They should label this content as "Inmature", for people that like that in a game, specially gore, and for people that make a fuss about seeing a naked body.

Not exacly.

Get The Witcher, it has sex and nude bodies and  it is a pretty good mature RPG.

Get Salammbo, it has a seductive art style, and it is a pretty good mature adventure.

I think in your opinion Age of Conan is like GTA or Postal and it is not, there is a reason for nudity and mature content.

If we take your concept about mature/immature you would belive only immature people would go to an exposition to see Klimt´s art.

Do you think only immature people would watch Caligula or any Tinto Brass movie?

No one is making a fuss about a naked body, only people that think it is immature or imoral are making a fuss.

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Originally posted by julez79

Wait until the Xbox version is released - by that time AoC will have morphed into a game with WoW-like nudity (i.e., little more than sexy armor/clothes) and an incredibly immature player base!

Seriously, I don't feel the need for breasts, but nudity is definitely required in AoC. In every single R.E. Howard story the women are dressed in next to nothing, or if they are dressed, Howard makes it a point to mention how the clothes do a very poor job of covering the girl's flesh.

It's part of the appeal of Howard's writing, along with the barbaric decapitations, maiming, dismemberments, etc. Every single time that Conan "crushes" a girl to his chest and "bruises" her lips with his mouth, she is naked or close to it.

If you disagree, before you post your denial go check your copy of the collected stories of Robert E. Howard - I just finished book 1 and 2 of the 3-part complete Conan series and I can assure you that girls who are present in any original Conan narrative almost invariably are naked, end up naked, or are covered only by  those fantasy gimmicks like metal breast cups and diaphanous scraps of silk (mind you, some editions of Howard stories are censored, find a full version).

What Funcom is doing is pretty uninspiring, and a disservice to a great writer. Shame on them.

You are totally right about Conan lore Julez and you expressed that in the best way.

But really, the 360 version has nothing to do with that, just take a look at GTA ( Im not comparing the pop hiphop expression of gta with Robert E Howard work, but I think you got my point ), the PC market is much more family oriented ( wow, the sims etc ).

There is not an official position from Funcom about this issue, some players are noticing some changes in quests and npcs, I think we should wait to be sure about all this issue.

I hope funcom doesnt change the mature content, as one of the reasons I play this game is for the original lore, but if they are really doing that, as you said, shame on them.

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Ah FunCom, you have risen on the ladder for the title for the category of "Bait and Switch" companies.

All you need to do now is make Conan a playable character for all and you will vanquish SOE off its throne for the title..

This thread needs more AmazingAvery.

(sorry, couldn't resist )

Originally posted by zymurgeist

If you believe for  a second they put nudity in to be "true to the Conan lore" you're seriously confused. The entire point in the novels and the game was to titillate a jaded public.

So nudity is in the books...but not considered lore accurate in game?

Originally posted by Gishgeron

Originally posted by reisu

Originally posted by Gishgeron

Is this for real???

Jesus, that makes THIS their biggest lie yet.  No PvP system, no T3 city at launch, no DX10, and now....NO MATURE MATERIAL?  Good god...are they trying to pull a Sony on us?

 

Yes, you should be angry...nay, outraged...that your ability to have hours of fun with pixelated tits has been changed.

In case it isn't obvious, /sarcasm off.

 

 

  I couldn't care less either way.  But, its not even about the porn.  They are removing the mature themed LORE for christsakes!   Or, at least, being speculated to.  Regardless, its very important that you understand that, in removing said parts of the game, they completely remove themselves from EVERYTHING they said they were about.  They told players that they DELIBERATELY kept the mature theme and nature of Conan.  They marketed to those players, and got those players to buy the game.

  By removing it, they are essentially taking away the very last aspect of their game they had left to offer from their originally listed set of things.  Honestly...will you guys not stand up for anything?  Has the MMO market really desensitized you so much...that you totally accept, not only failing to provide even HALF of what was promised, but also removing many of the things they DID provide?

  The only reason I saw for any player to remain here was because they really liked the Conan lore and mature theme (which was showcased with their graphic engine).  In case you didn't know....what is being discussed here is the fact they could be removing that to make way for the "new players" they plan on getting.  I've heard THIS before...and it cost that company 200-300K players as a result.  Its too late to market to a younger crowd, or even a different crowd.  They have already spent too long hyping the game as it was....changing things is gonna sink em.

I am with you!  This is exaclty what I have tried to get across to people.  But like others, I have been called a troll and had any critisism made about the game turned into one of the following responses...
 

"well if (insert reason here) is the only reason you played, then gtfo!"

"go back to WoW kiddie!"

we all have something in common here.  we enjoy the hobby and fun of MMO games.  when did that common bond turn into L2P, nub, WoW kiddie, whine, gtfo, qft, noob, sauce, nublet, rofl, roflcoptor, pwn own, nubz, roxxorz, suxxorz? 

Man I miss the days when i first started playing EQ.  if this is what the player base and fan base had been like at that time, I would never have gotten involved.  the games have improved, but the people involved have gone wayyyy downhill imo.

This thread is complete bullshit since no one has given EVEN ONE EXAMPLE of this happening.

Until then, its just people mouthing off.

Originally posted by Praxus

This thread is complete bullshit since no one has given EVEN ONE EXAMPLE of this happening.

 

Until then, its just people mouthing off.

 

/agree

Originally posted by Umbral

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by Umbral

Originally posted by altairzq

Tits and gore is not "Mature content", it's  "Inmature content".

 

Breasts and gore are not mature or immature subjects, they are facts of life...

I will never understand why in US culture where violence is always there nude bodies and erotism are immature or wrong... anyway,

 

The main issue is, Conan universe is realistic, is violent  and erotic ( as any primitive culture without christianity, modern moral and hypocrisy). Funcom need to stay true to the original lore.

 

When you are at the beach ( normal beach or nude beach ) and you see a girl doing top less you close your eyes and shout, how immature? You dont do it in your private life, right?

When you see how violent are quests in everquest, wow or any mmo, you stop the game and shout this is immature?

In my opinion it is sad to realize that "colored violence" is cool, but realism or erotism is wrong and immature in the eyes of the masses.

 

....

 

What I meant is that tits ang gore attract the inmature players, not the mature ones, even if it's rated "Mature", so it's a contradiction. They should label this content as "Inmature", for people that like that in a game, specially gore, and for people that make a fuss about seeing a naked body.

 

Not exacly.

Get The Witcher, it has sex and nude bodies and  it is a pretty good mature RPG.

Get Salammbo, it has a seductive art style, and it is a pretty good mature adventure.

I think in your opinion Age of Conan is like GTA or Postal and it is not, there is a reason for nudity and mature content.

If we take your concept about mature/immature you would belive only immature people would go to an exposition to see Klimt´s art.

Do you think only immature people would watch Caligula or any Tinto Brass movie?

No one is making a fuss about a naked body, only people that think it is immature or imoral are making a fuss.

 

...

Sorry, but if you make a videogame and the gore and tits are one of your main selling points, you are going to attract and inmature community. So then, that content should be rated "Inmature" to avoid a contradiction.

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by Umbral

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by Umbral

Originally posted by altairzq

Tits and gore is not "Mature content", it's  "Inmature content".

 

Breasts and gore are not mature or immature subjects, they are facts of life...

I will never understand why in US culture where violence is always there nude bodies and erotism are immature or wrong... anyway,