Originally posted by TheSheikh

AoC Siege battles ARE instanced.

Feel free to post your information proving to me that they are not.

 

By all means

Athelan,  in The Border Kingdoms
The keep is not in an instance, I dont want to remove the keeps from the world making them feel "fake" or artificial.

The design of the border kingdoms should hopefully make different terrains and natural defenses to allow for ambushes and choke points.


 

Theres only been dozens of posts by developers saying it isn't. Anyone who has read the AoC official forum Dev Tracker with any kind of attention can tell you this.

That particular quote strait from the mouth of Athelan is taken directly from the forums courtesy of Bymitra.com

 Now kindly post your proof that they are instanced. I'm interested to see what you come up with. I do hope it's more then a 'because I just know.'

I don't think Warhammer needs giant splashes of red Pixels to make it fun. They may be doing teen to make it more accessable but Games Workshop obviously agreed to it.   If you think about it making a game accessable is an incredibly smart move especially for MMOs.  It garuentees that new blood new customers and fans can be brought into the world that Games Workshop created.  They can't make money off us old folks forever branching out to attract new players for MMOs & TT games like Warhammer is incredibly smart.

Maybe its just me but to be honest you can have mild swearing, mild blood and that makes a game pretty gritty regardless of what anyone thinks.  It'd be obsessive gore  and sexual content that'd make the game M rated (which doesn't mean its a mature audience..anyone that thinks Mature means adult mentality is completely in need of a head check).   You don't need either of those elements to make a game fun.  Sure they might add some eye candy entertainment for some but for others its just like 'whatever'.   People play games to have fun...and there are a select few that things games need all the extras to make them fun...its like gamers have lost sight of the meaning of games.   When I started playing games with the Atari 2600 I didn't need gore or sexual content to make the games fun.  They were just fun as they were in their rasterized graphics.    Its fun to see more graphics definitly but since when did we need gore and sexual content to make things fun.  Even the original masters of horror movies only used that graphical content as a political & social messages....games that have it are NOT doing it as political and social messages there really is no need.  It fits for some games..thats for sure....ones based on fear its perfect for...but an MMO...honestly...*rolls eyes* EQ1 didn't need it..UO didn't need it...DAoC didn't need it...so why do other games need it except to make people feel as if they're getting a game ment for only adults (psh). 

As long as there's no nudity or seriously graphic content its going to get a teen rating.  That doesn't make it happy sunshine land.  Games don't need the M label to be good and gritty.

I'd rather have a game that runs and looks good enough to keep me interested then a game but if I have to turn off blood splatters and body parts flying just say I can keep up with the hectic gameplay it just well sort of seems like a waste of Development time.

Originally posted by Fion

 

Originally posted by TheSheikh

AoC Siege battles ARE instanced.

Feel free to post your information proving to me that they are not.

 

 

By all means

 

Athelan,  in The Border Kingdoms
The keep is not in an instance, I dont want to remove the keeps from the world making them feel "fake" or artificial.

The design of the border kingdoms should hopefully make different terrains and natural defenses to allow for ambushes and choke points.


 

Theres only been dozens of posts by developers saying it isn't. Anyone who has read the AoC official forum Dev Tracker with any kind of attention can tell you this.

That particular quote strait from the mouth of Athelan is taken directly from the forums courtesy of Bymitra.com

 Now kindly post your proof that they are instanced. I'm interested to see what you come up with. I do hope it's more then a 'because I just know.'

Fion's right...they're not a private instance..The Borderlands is just a seperate Zone.    People need to realize the difference..Zone = seperated region you have to load into....Instance = private region you have to load into and only you or your group can enter.

Seriously guys lets try and keep the AoC talk here down..its gotten out of hand..I understand some of you are frustrated but honestly you just make yourselves and the WAR boards look bad by posting about things you have no idea about.   

How about bloated cattle corpses with buzzing flies?

Stuff like:

Pukey open guts?

Yes I assume those little maggot-guys came out of the big guy's stomach.
Isn't nurgle fun?

I'm sure there'll be enough gore and gross stuff to get it a nice M rating.

Lets look at the definition from AoCWiki and we will go from there.

Originally posted by Blurr

How about bloated cattle corpses with buzzing flies?

Stuff like:

Pukey open guts?

Yes I assume those little maggot-guys came out of the big guy's stomach.
Isn't nurgle fun?

I'm sure there'll be enough gore and gross stuff to get it a nice M rating.

Nurgle is a very open and emotional god, he will spill his guts to pretty much anyone.

Originally posted by ArcheusCross

I would have to agree. You are right about the movie and warhammer in general. Honestly I don't  think a "M" rating would change the subcriptions very much. But it would make a lot of us warhammer fans happy if they added gore.. and im not talking decapatations... jut more blood.

And if you really think about it,  it is quite doable.... heck they listened to the customers when we asked them to make it more rvr...whos to say they wouldn't listen to us if we ask them to add a bit of gore.. or at least give the M players an option... or something.

either way i think if someone in thier beta forums (someone around here that had access to it) would post this topic in it and get followers, it would happen.

heres to hoping it does.

Sorry to backtrack in this thread a bit... cuz I REALLY LOVE THOSE SCREENSHOTS.. but this post just exemplifes how out of touch some posters are when thinking about the overall marketing of a game...

The difference between an M and T rating is HUGE for potential customers.. I think the aforementioned 25% mark is conservative.  The comment about attracting female players (and yes WoW did us a great service there) is also right on.

Throw in that your biggest competitor's selling points ARE BLOOD< GORE< NUDITY.. why would you take that head on? especially with the huge available market of tiring WoW players...

We all have an idyllic MMORPG in our head, and no real game is going to come close to matching mine.. don't know about yours.  So sure a little whining about the lack of gore and darkness is assumed.. but please give up thse posts like you are some marketing guru that can't understand obviously 'flawed' decisions.

Dark humor >> Mindless Gore in any game/genre for me.. handsdown.

Originally posted by Crusher

In the last part of Lord of the Rings movie, when they where all fighting on
the battlefield, I had a constant feeling about something being wrong.
There was something lacking in the fighting scenes. Then i realized
what it was. There is no blood, dirt, gore. It was the element missing
that made the huge battle look unrealistic. If you seen the opening
scene of "Save Private Ryan", you know what I mean.

Now after looking on the vids from WAR, I get the same feeling about
unrealistic battle.

The warhammer universe is about war, dirt, blood, darkness etc.
Instead of using loads of firework effect that makes the
battlefield look like a lightshow, Mythic should use more blood,
dirt, darkness and overall make it feel more voilent.

Sure, the nice light effects should be there, but only used i.e.
when doing critical hits.

I want the real Warhammer feeling, not a trade off cause EA wants to appeal kids.

We would all like more gore but its not going to happen. Warhammer is a dark gritty sense of humor  world. Do you really think that AOC wont attract the kids  just as much as WAR?

Firework display or not, WAR subs will only be second to WOW. WAR gameplay is more akin to DAOC not WOW.

You will still play  so whats the point of beating yourself up about flashing spells.

I think the gameplay will be more demanding than AOC or any other mmorpg out their.

Originally posted by Druchiii

 

You will still play  so whats the point of beating yourself up about flashing spells.

I'm a Warhammer fan. I expect a WH licensed game to feel, look and follow the atmosphere of the Warhammer universe.

When I here things like gankers turn into chickens, blood, gore, dirt etc removed I start to wonder why in earth Mythic ever licensed to use stuff from Warhammer.

Frankly. Characters in WAR (taken from the Warhammer universe) looks lame and cartoonized the way Mythic has done it right now. 

It's not about blood, gore etc. It's the feeling of a dirty WAR . That's what really bothers me. If I want
to see pretty flashing colors, I look at a christmas tree.

Originally posted by Blurr

How about bloated cattle corpses with buzzing flies?

Stuff like:

Pukey open guts?

Yes I assume those little maggot-guys came out of the big guy's stomach.
Isn't nurgle fun?

I'm sure there'll be enough gore and gross stuff to get it a nice M rating.

    An M rating is just too restrictive for most MMOs.  I just think it is going to kick up to much controversy for the games own good.  MMOs already have the whole obsessive/addictive stigma associated with them.  You throw in a gorefest and I just think its going to cause problems.

They have already said they are going for a T rating.

So that's that. 

Gore etc is fine for about 20 minutes then after that who really take notice? its all about the win.