From experience the more indy type development houses tend to be more honest.  Maybe because they dont have a massive axe hanging over their heads from the investors.  If you spend 50 million dollars from investors then they will be riding your butt all the way to the end and I can see why they spurt all kinds of crap because if the epic game fails then they are out of a job and probably the same for the company.  I think Indy houses dont have the same dazzling videos like in WAR etc.  They dont have whole teams focusing on media and PR.  Good luck to them.

Darkfall if done right will definitely take business away from WAR and AoC, most players I know are waiting for  DF above all others.

Originally posted by pb1285n

Originally posted by COORS

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by originalegg

I stopped reading after you tried to assume my age range in some kind of attempt to discredit me.  (off by about a decade)

Fact is there is a press release that was not released by Aventurine concerning the publishing deal with Audiovisual.  Unless you have evidence that discredits Audiovisual, im going to just stick with good ol' occam's razor on this one.

I thought so. You really consider the minor press release by an unknown (to the gaming community) to be some sort of proof that DF is coming out?

If so, I'll point to SOE's signed, announced deal with PE for G&H and despite the fact the pre-order boxes were in stores, the game never came out. (people also had actually played a beta, for better or worse)

DF is a long way from becoming a released game and credible proof is still sorely lacking.

 

 

Kyleran....

How dare you question the obvious?

As originalegg posted.... 

"only the people who know how to read...and reason...and use common sense"

 

So, I guess that leaves all us naysayers out.

He also forgot to mention that I've read his EXACT words MANY times here. Back in 2003, 2005 and just last summer, 2007. I've also saved posts by Aragon and Downtoearth GUARANTEEING beta by April of 2008. Guaranteed this time!

But... My opinion is not valid since I can't read and use common sense.

 

*cough* If you knew how to read maybe you would have noticed the video is up and so are beta signups.

Just to play both sides.  Darkfall has had other video's.  Darkfall has had beta sign ups before.

I've been a naysayer, and I won't eat my words.

The game just doesn't look that compelling.  It looks good on paper, but everytime I see what appears to be a scripted video (including the new one) I'm left with a sense of "meh."  I need to see a LOT more, or even play the game, before I cease being a naysayer.

Is that grounds for "eating my words?"  No.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by originalegg

I stopped reading after you tried to assume my age range in some kind of attempt to discredit me.  (off by about a decade)

Fact is there is a press release that was not released by Aventurine concerning the publishing deal with Audiovisual.  Unless you have evidence that discredits Audiovisual, im going to just stick with good ol' occam's razor on this one.

I thought so. You really consider the minor press release by an unknown (to the gaming community) to be some sort of proof that DF is coming out?

If so, I'll point to SOE's signed, announced deal with PE for G&H and despite the fact the pre-order boxes were in stores, the game never came out. (people also had actually played a beta, for better or worse)

DF is a long way from becoming a released game and credible proof is still sorely lacking.

 

 

yea man that long video of IN GAME FOOTAGE just doesnt support my idea that this game is real and will be released.
 

there is clearly no one working on it and it is just vaporware.

clearly.  i take my words with ketchup and salt and will gladly eat them after you clearly put me in my place.

Oh man the DF fans achieved victory today, and it feels so good. 

See you guys in game, and spare me the "uhhh no you didnt win nothing is proven, its scripted!" comments.

Just b/c they claim that is in-game footage doesn't mean it actually is. I'm not saying it's not, just saying that there is no UI, or player interaction shown in that video. It COULD all be scripted. it doesn't show anything new, nor does it prove anything, least of all that there is a playable game with all the features in it that they claim. All I saw was a video of possibly scripted footage taken from what appears to be a game engine. For all we know, that video could have been created using scripts in Unreal 2.5. Not saying it was, just that it could have been.

As for beta sign-ups, give me a break. They've had beta sign-ups before, they've claimed beta was going to start at such-and-such a time before. This is nothing new. When beta does actually start, and people actually get in and get their hands on the game, THEN that will be something to come and tell people to eat-their-words over.

This is nothing new.

A possible publishing agreement? Yeah, that is possibly something important, and could go a long way. But just b/c they may have reached a tentative agreement w/ someone to have their game published, doesn't mean it will actually make it to release. Do I think the people at AudioVisual (or w/e it's called) would sign a publishing agreement for a game they never saw? Probably not. But it is possible they were shown a video like we were just shown, and no one ever actually got to play the game. As I understand it, the publishing agreement is TENTATIVE, meaning they will publish the game should it ever materialize. They aren't giving the devs any money yet, they aren't investing in Aventurine, they have just reached an agreement to publish the game should it ever be ready for release.

I'm not saying the game is vaporware, I'm not saying it's not. All I'm saying is this video shows nothing new, and is NOT proof that there is actually a playable game. Until someone that is known, credible, and neutral (meaning not some joker that no one has ever heard of, who claims to be a guild leader of a guild no one has ever heard of) gets their hands on the game and reports back to the world at large, I will still have my doubts that Darkfall is what these people claim it to be. The absolute LEAST they should have done was had a UI visible, and shown someone interacting with it and the game responding to said interactions. I don't care what they say that video is, they've made statements in the past that have turned out to be false, it COULD be scripted.

I'm sorry, but this is not something the Darkfall supporters should be jumping for joy about, saying "i told you so, now eat your words". Really, nothing has changed. There still isn't solid proof the game is everything the devs claim it to be, or that there even is a game being made. Again, I'm not saying it's vaporware, just that nothing has changed in my eyes. I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for my opinions, but so be it, I call it as I see it.

For the record, I actually DO hope that Darkfall is everything they claim it to be. It would be one hell of an enjoyable game, and certainly one that I'd like to play. I'm just a bit of a skeptic that hasn't seen anything from these guys that proves their claims.

The agreement with the publisher has been finalized in a report where the publishers says that beta will start in October.

Shanna you do realize the video (a 688 mbit video almost 18 min playtime) was launched today which is Friday, you might want to want for Friday to actually pass before saying it's not coming out. How does it feel to have a full dozen eggs in your face?

So in one day Darkfall launches both a massive trailer that shows all aspects of the game, they even do show crafting, trading, banking and that sort of stuff, as well as pve, and about 15 different types of pvp encounters.

As for that it could still be another Dark & Light, who knows, so why do you bring up your own speculations as facts, and still find the nerve to call us fools.

What we do know is that Darkfall has had a lot of more funding, a lot more time and have always been a lot more promising then Dark & Light ever was, that is what we know for a fact and leave it at that.

This game has been in production a very long time compared to other games. From what I've read it looks promising and fun, but until it goes gold I'm gonna be a skeptic of its actual release.  

Originally posted by Kyleran

If so, I'll point to SOE's signed, announced deal with PE for G&H and despite the fact the pre-order boxes were in stores, the game never came out. (people also had actually played a beta, for better or worse)

DF is a long way from becoming a released game and credible proof is still sorely lacking.

Wow, someone who actually remembers the history of MMORPG development and puts more belief in past experience than developer hype?     I'm afraid that kind of common sense is hard to find in the MMOPRG community, most prefer to slavishly believe anything developers tell them.

Perhaps progress is being made in Darkfall.  But if a game has a record of shakey development then it has to work MUCH harder to prove itself.   Given the past record of this game's development people should be demanding a LOT more proof of it than just videos and a sign-up page.    

Like say, a working demo being shown at PAX or E3 or Joe's PC Hut or something.    

When I see vids of people playing that demo along with fan previews describing the game then I'll start to credit these developers and their claims.  But not  before.    We've seen this too many times in the past, it's about time we learned from it.   There absolutely no reason to cut developers ANY slack when it comes to backing up what they hype.   Accept proof first then the hype, not the other way around.  

Between the checklist the Devs gave and what the video showed... it was mostly flashy stuff and combat in emphasis. All the non-combat details weren't emphasized enough. Reminds me of the original WoW Trailer where it was all combat here and there.

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Originally posted by TdogSkal

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Originally posted by originalegg

My number 1 concern about DF is the stability of the servers on release. 

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And that is fine.  I have no problem with that.  The point most of us are talking about the trolls who have called it Vaporware and a hoax while insulting the followers of Darkfall.
We now have proof that Darkfall is not vaporware and now those same trolls are changing there arguement without admitting they were wrong.
I know its too much to ask for these trolls to act like men and admit when they are wrong but that is what I am asking.  Plain and simple.

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Just to make your day, I'm not changing my answer. The game is still vaporware as far as I'm concernd. The whole video looked and was scripted, many animation problems, and the textures terrible. Maybe you guys will get Darkfall The animated series.

Originally posted by HBlite

 

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Originally posted by TdogSkal

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Originally posted by originalegg

 

My number 1 concern about DF is the stability of the servers on release. 

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And that is fine.  I have no problem with that.  The point most of us are talking about the trolls who have called it Vaporware and a hoax while insulting the followers of Darkfall.
We now have proof that Darkfall is not vaporware and now those same trolls are changing there arguement without admitting they were wrong.
I know its too much to ask for these trolls to act like men and admit when they are wrong but that is what I am asking.  Plain and simple.

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Just to make your day, I'm not changing my answer. The game is still vaporware as far as I'm concernd. The whole video looked and was scripted, many animation problems, and the textures terrible. Maybe you guys will get Darkfall The animated series.

LOL im lovin it...with every post they think they are sticking it to us...and they dont realize they are just making us crack up.  keep it comming guys.

Originally posted by HBlite

 

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Originally posted by TdogSkal

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Originally posted by originalegg

 

My number 1 concern about DF is the stability of the servers on release. 

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And that is fine.  I have no problem with that.  The p