Originally posted by originalegg

Argos,

No.

What we are so excited about is the niche this game is offering.  Even if the game gets shut down tomorrow, it is the idea of it that excites us. 

Many gamers are just burned out with the same old style of gameplay that keeps being reused.  Sure the IP changes, and graphics get a little better, and gameplay is a little more polished, but nothing really changes.

I am not a sci-fi gamer at all, minus some FPS sci-fis.  But I loved playing EVE for awhile because of the difference in gameplay, true pvp, and sandboxy-ness.

The real answer to "what the fanbois get"...is that we get to see more of the game we love.  We never needed proof that the game was real, any level headed person knew something was being worked on.

What do the naysayers get?  Nothing.  Unfortunatly the development of this game has baffled many people because it did not follow standard MMO development like we saw with AoC and WAR etc with communication with fans.  So this has left people wondering wtf and how can a company act like this.

Today Aventurine really hit a home run and came through.  Earlier today the trolls were giving us updates on the time in greece saying lol you guys fail again, its 5pm there, game over.

Then we find out that their staff stayed up till midnight their time to give us not on the promised video, but beta signups as well.

Say what you will, but it feels good to be a fan of a game that you are excited about.  Especially when that game shows you more of what its all about.  The trolls dont get this, because they are just petty by nature.  Get a game, have some fun, why else would you be on a mmo forum?

Educate me. I've lurked on this for months, but I'm new to participating in this conflict. You've inferred that you love this game. You've also admitted as a whole that you're chasing the ideal, because the idea excites you. Its like a young boy with a Hustler or a Playboy magazine.

"it did not follow standard MMO development". Well yes, it didn't, because its not endorsed by a big company, nor does it have any previous experience in the field. When you say "So this left people wondering wtf and how can a company act like this."? Its quite possibly because they haven't done this before. Developing a single-player game with a multiplayer-component is much easier to approach and endorse than an MMO. There is some skill required to do this... the reason why the Anti-DF crew exists is because Aventurine stumbles like a mofo going about this.

I have to admit, DAOC had this stumbling in its initial stages as well. WoW didn't do it so bad, because they had previous experience with their games and used Battle.Net as a platform to proceed with their MMO.

I'll give Aventurine the benefit of a doubt. But I realize the problem isn't DF itself... its the people who "love" it. In the end, we're not bagging on the game... its the zealotry. Not because we're jealous (i.e, ego-contesting), but because WE don't understand what in anyone's sane mind would cause a person to go religious (deeply-devoted) to an "idea" that has no wide-ranged media coverage or solid game publishing backing.

Originally posted by FSE-Camel

What I saw when I watched that video: possibilities. I can be a pirate and roam the seas. I can terrorize other ships, or other players/cities on the shores. I can be a mercenary. I can get a group of friends together and we can become assassins. I can create a guild and build a city, taking part in politics and struggles for locations, resources, and bragging rights. I can be a peaceful crafter of goods. I can be a grunt in a "big guild" and take part in initiatives as directed. I can be an explorer. I can use a sword, or a bow, or magic, and combinations as well. When I attack or heal, I can affect my friends, and enemies. This requires attention to detail, I have to aim my spells and abilities. I can't target someone and spam keys while I watch TV like WoW.

IF this game runs smoothly and works, it'll be quite the sandbox. I guess people accustomed to WoW feeding them "content" in the way of time sinks and grinds might not like such freedom, or might lack the creativity to blaze their own path. But then again, this was never meant to be a mainstream MMO.

You sir seem to get it 100%

Originally posted by FSE-Camel

What I saw when I watched that video: possibilities. I can be a pirate and roam the seas. I can terrorize other ships, or other players/cities on the shores. I can be a mercenary. I can get a group of friends together and we can become assassins. I can create a guild and build a city, taking part in politics and struggles for locations, resources, and bragging rights. I can be a peaceful crafter of goods. I can be a grunt in a "big guild" and take part in initiatives as directed. I can be an explorer. I can use a sword, or a bow, or magic, and combinations as well. When I attack or heal, I can affect my friends, and enemies. This requires attention to detail, I have to aim my spells and abilities. I can't target someone and spam keys while I watch TV like WoW.

IF this game runs smoothly and works, it'll be quite the sandbox. I guess people accustomed to WoW feeding them "content" in the way of time sinks and grinds might not like such freedom, or might lack the creativity to blaze their own path. But then again, this was never meant to be a mainstream MMO.

This is a quality post if i ever saw one. =)

You understand the potentials of a game like Darkfall to the fullest. Its no WoW themepark game with a boring endgame. Darkfall endgame will be what we make it. No Darkfall Developers that will spoonfed us with the next instance where we can get the next set of supergear.

Well done and

Have a nice one

Aye, I've been waiting for a game like this for a long time. It won't be for everyone, but for those willing to embrace the dangerous world and blaze their own paths, it could be glorious. This is not what I would call an 'entertain me' style MMO like WoW or WAR. This game requires you to take hold and carve out your place. As far as the game not taking a 'standard' development approach... well all I have to say it take a good look at what 'standard' gets us most of the time: Vanguard, Age of Conan, SWG to name a few. 

Cheers guys, I will fall asleep tonight with a bit of a smile on my face.

Originally posted by Aragon100

Beta October 2008. =)

Released before the end of 2008. =)

Have a nice day 

 They're going to have a 2-3 MONTH beta-test??????  I choked when I saw 'Coming in 2008' at the end of those videos.

Darkfall has been making claims about all sorts of very innovative gameplay elements but innovation is difficult and risky.     They really think they can sufficiently test all those innovative gameplay mechanics with real world testers in only two or three months? 

Every DF fan out there should be demanding the release date be pushed back.  You've already waited this long.    No one can actually believe a two month beta-test would be enough time to work out any significant bugs/balance in any game.     

Accepting developer hype without any proof apart from vids and screenshots and following a game for years of rocky development is bad enough but an incredibly short beta test for a MMORPG should push the boundary of disbelief too far for anybody.  

A game doesn't have to be vaporware to have big flashing warning signs.   DF fans should be shouting at the Devs not to push out the game before it's ready.    We've seen that happen way too often in the past.  I'm not a fan of DF but I hate seeing any game fail because of idiotic planning.

In the end, we're not bagging on the game... its the zealotry. Not because we're jealous (i.e, ego-contesting), but because WE don't understand what in anyone's sane mind would cause a person to go religious (deeply-devoted) to an "idea" that has no wide-ranged media coverage or solid game publishing backing.

Not to mention the willingness to believe that a game can be launched with such a minimal beta-test.   It flies in face of every lesson ever learned in the history of MMORPG developement.  

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

Originally posted by Aragon100

Beta October 2008. =)

Released before the end of 2008. =)

Have a nice day 

 They're going to have a TWO MONTH beta-test??????  I choked when I saw 'Coming in 2008' at the end of those videos.

Darkfall has been making claims about all sorts of very innovative gameplay elements but innovation is difficult and risky.     They really think they can sufficiently test all those innovative gameplay mechanics with real world testers in only two months? 

Every DF fan out there should be demanding the release date be pushed back.  You've already waited this long.    No one can actually believe a two month beta-test would be enough time to work out any significant bugs/balance in any game.     

It's one thing to accept eveloper hype without any proof apart from vids and screenshots and follow a game for years of rocky development but a two month beta test for a MMORPG should push the boundary of disbelief too far for anybody.  

A game doesn't have to be vaporware to have big flashing warning signs.   DF fans should be shouting at the Devs not to push out the game before it's ready.    We've seen that happen way too often in the past.

In the end, we're not bagging on the game... its the zealotry. Not because we're jealous (i.e, ego-contesting), but because WE don't understand what in anyone's sane mind would cause a person to go religious (deeply-devoted) to an "idea" that has no wide-ranged media coverage or solid game publishing backing.

Not to mention the willingness to believe that a game can be launched with such a minimal beta-test.   It flies in face of every lesson ever learned in the history of MMORPG developement.  

 

LOL. Exactly. As egg mentioned:

"Unfortunatly the development of this game has baffled many people because it did not follow standard MMO development like we saw with AoC and WAR etc with communication with fans. So this has left people wondering wtf and how can a company act like this."

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

Originally posted by Aragon100

Beta October 2008. =)

Released before the end of 2008. =)

Have a nice day 

 They're going to have a TWO MONTH beta-test??????  I choked when I saw 'Coming in 2008' at the end of those videos.

Darkfall has been making claims about all sorts of very innovative gameplay elements but innovation is difficult and risky.     They really think they can sufficiently test all those innovative gameplay mechanics with real world testers in only two months? 

Every DF fan out there should be demanding the release date be pushed back.  You've already waited this long.    No one can actually believe a two month beta-test would be enough time to work out any significant bugs/balance in any game.     

Accepting developer hype without any proof apart from vids and screenshots and following a game for years of rocky development is bad enough but an incredibly short beta test for a MMORPG should push the boundary of disbelief too far for anybody.  

A game doesn't have to be vaporware to have big flashing warning signs.   DF fans should be shouting at the Devs not to push out the game before it's ready.    We've seen that happen way too often in the past.

In the end, we're not bagging on the game... its the zealotry. Not because we're jealous (i.e, ego-contesting), but because WE don't understand what in anyone's sane mind would cause a person to go religious (deeply-devoted) to an "idea" that has no wide-ranged media coverage or solid game publishing backing.

Not to mention the willingness to believe that a game can be launched with such a minimal beta-test.   It flies in face of every lesson ever learned in the history of MMORPG developement.  

 

They been in closed beta since late 2007. They used professional beta testers ridding out the bugs and on and on and on.......

This open beta will be a stress test.

Have a nice one

Originally posted by argos5

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

Originally posted by Aragon100

Beta October 2008. =)

Released before the end of 2008. =)

Have a nice day 

 They're going to have a TWO MONTH beta-test??????  I choked when I saw 'Coming in 2008' at the end of those videos.

Darkfall has been making claims about all sorts of very innovative gameplay elements but innovation is difficult and risky.     They really think they can sufficiently test all those innovative gameplay mechanics with real world testers in only two months? 

Every DF fan out there should be demanding the release date be pushed back.  You've already waited this long.    No one can actually believe a two month beta-test would be enough time to work out any significant bugs/balance in any game.     

It's one thing to accept eveloper hype without any proof apart from vids and screenshots and follow a game for years of rocky development but a two month beta test for a MMORPG should push the boundary of disbelief too far for anybody.  

A game doesn't have to be vaporware to have big flashing warning signs.   DF fans should be shouting at the Devs not to push out the game before it's ready.    We've seen that happen way too often in the past.

In the end, we're not bagging on the game... its the zealotry. Not because we're jealous (i.e, ego-contesting), but because WE don't understand what in anyone's sane mind would cause a person to go religious (deeply-devoted) to an "idea" that has no wide-ranged media coverage or solid game publishing backing.

Not to mention the willingness to believe that a game can be launched with such a minimal beta-test.   It flies in face of every lesson ever learned in the history of MMORPG developement.  

 

 

LOL. Exactly. As egg mentioned:

"Unfortunatly the development of this game has baffled many people because it did not follow standard MMO development like we saw with AoC and WAR etc with communication with fans. So this has left people wondering wtf and how can a company act like this."

 

yes it is unfortunate that you guys dont understand how the world of business works, but hey way to try to twist my words.  i guess you need something to do, since you obviously cant call DF vaporware anymore.

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by argos5

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

Originally posted by Aragon100

Beta October 2008. =)

Released before the end of 2008. =)

Have a nice day 

 They're going to have a TWO MONTH beta-test??????  I choked when I saw 'Coming in 2008' at the end of those videos.

Darkfall has been making claims about all sorts of very innovative gameplay elements but innovation is difficult and risky.     They really think they can sufficiently test all those innovative gameplay mechanics with real world testers in only two months? 

Every DF fan out there should be demanding the release date be pushed back.  You've already waited this long.    No one can actually believe a two month beta-test would be enough time to work out any significant bugs/balance in any game.     

It's one thing to accept eveloper hype without any proof apart from vids and screenshots and follow a game for years of rocky development but a two month beta test for a MMORPG should push the boundary of disbelief too far for anybody.  

A game doesn't have to be vaporware to have big flashing warning signs.   DF fans should be shouting at the Devs not to push out the game before it's ready.    We've seen that happen way too often in the past.

In the end, we're not bagging on the game... its the zealotry. Not because we're jealous (i.e, ego-contesting), but because WE don't understand what in anyone's sane mind would cause a person to go religious (deeply-devoted) to an "idea" that has no wide-ranged media coverage or solid game publishing backing.

Not to mention the willingness to believe that a game can be launched with such a minimal beta-test.   It flies in face of every lesson ever learned in the history of MMORPG developement.  

 

 

LOL. Exactly. As egg mentioned:

"Unfortunatly the development of this game has baffled many people because it did not follow standard MMO development like we saw with AoC and WAR etc with communication with fans. So this has left people wondering wtf and how can a company act like this."

 

 

yes it is unfortunate that you guys dont understand how the world of business works, but hey way to try to twist my words.  i guess you need something to do, since you obviously cant call DF vaporware anymore.

Thing is, I never called DF vaporware in the first place. The others have, but I won't make that mistake. I know DF is a better concept than Fury ever was and it has potential. And yes, I took your quote, used it for the opposite purpose--- not to spite you, but to point out that it is true in its neutral point. Neither for or against DF... but that DF is doing things from a very inexperienced approach.

I'm not going to laugh at DF, nor support DF. I work for a different industry than the computer game industry, but I know my business (and no, not retail--- even though I once worked in that industry).

As Alienovrlord mentioned, a 2 month beta is too short. WAR did a similar thing, so did AoC. However they did that for an advertisement position aside from a true Beta, they already had a year or two of steady media coverage over many different conventions as well. Darkfall has no show for it and Beta will be the first time anyone will have ever seen/touched it beyond pictures and videos outside of the development crew.

It is not that myself or Alienovrlord should know business, its Aventurine that does.

Originally posted by Aragon100

 They been in closed beta since late 2007. They used professional beta testers ridding out the bugs and on and on and on.......

This open beta will be a stress test.

Have a nice one

 Professional (aka Internal) beta-testers are not the same as having hundreds (or thousands) of gamers running through and hammering at your game engine  

It's the same as the zerg in PvP.   More people mean more chances to squash bugs, that's why companies sign up lots of people into their closed betas to deal with balance and economy and crafting all the other potential issues.   WoW, AoC, LotRO etc all brought in external beta-testers many months before their scheduled releases.   This also allowed the press a chance to see the game and post previews - which only helped the publicity of these games. 

A stress test in NOT where you should be worrying about all these other issues.   At that point it's your servers that are being tested.  If Aventurine really thinks&n