Originally posted by Porthios

Originally posted by mackdawg19

Originally posted by imbant

Originally posted by Harpy_Lady

. FFA PVP doesn't appeal to me in the least no mattter how fantastic the supposed PVE is. I'm not paying a monthly fee to be someone's ganker fodder.

 

 

You are aware you can attack back right?

Not much confidence in your skills huh...oh well, those AI raid bosses that let you spam the same key over and over should be perfect for ya. 

 

Not to get to off-topic but whats wrong with people who enjoy PvE? Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's any better or worse than PvP. Matter fact, your doing the same thing the OP is doing. Both you fools need to open your eyes to both sides of the situation. Neither has a positive or a negative. It's all a matter of preference. Now that I've said that, i still think DF graphics lack alot. You may think im wrong, I couldn't care the least. Gameplay looks just ok. It looks like normal gameplay combat I see in almost any MMO. I find it quite funny though, that all these smaller game companys have come out with complete failures, yet Darkfall has somehow escaped this scenario without people even playing the game. I hope you guys get what you want. But in the end, you probably won't. This is all of course, if DF doesn't learn from the million examples out there. Goodluck DF fans, but don't start barking quite yet. I'd wait till Open Beta or atleast closed beta to see how everything really plays out.

 

There isn't anything wrong with people who don't like PvP, or that purely like PvE. What's silly is that they come onto the DF forums and express dislike for a game that has a huge focus on PvP. That's like me going to a ferrari convention and saying that I don't like Ferraris because they go fast. No kidding. Really? They'd promptly tell me to gtfo.

 

So when we've got a bunch of PvErs coming onto the DF forums getting their panties in a bunch because DF has PvP, we have no choice by the flame the living hell out of them. We just have absolutely no, other, choice.

You can just ignore them maybe? I like PvP but not full loot. Cuz if I worked hard to get some  awesome  weapon or a set of armor  and then I get ganked and in a flash its gone that would piss me off so bad..  Yeah I could try and gank them back but  thats goign to be hard with out any  gear money or weapons.

Unless gear really dosen't matter in this game that would make more sense.  But why play a game where you don't get gear thats not  cool or is rare?  Isn't that what MMORPG's are about, adventuring and getting cool loot? 

Originally posted by cukimunga

Well if  good gameplay = running around like your on crack and clicking the mouse button then I must be missing something. I played DDO and you swung with clicking the mouse button and It got pretty boring after awhile not to mention it made my finger tired after a while.They did add on that you could just hold the mouse button in to swing. Id rather just have auto attack and press keys or click on my abilities.  I really don't like FPS all that much and if DF has FPS type combat i'll pass on that.

Yeah, see, I don't get this. In most games, you autoattack and then you click on special abilties or spells, while occasionally running around. In DF, you are in complete control of your character, you aim your swings, you aim your spells and then, at the end of that, you ALSO click on your special abilities and spells. DF just seems more exciting to me.

Besides, name a game that lets you climb to the top of ship and then plunge down onto the deck of an enemy ship. I mean, that's just insta-win right there.

Originally posted by cukimunga

 

But why play a game where you don't get gear thats not  cool or is rare?  Isn't that what MMORPG's are about, adventuring and getting cool loot? 

Oh

My

God

Please please please tell me this was sarcastic.  I have a feeling it wasnt and I now understand why some of these forum conversations are so tough to get decent discussion on.

Originally posted by Netzoko

Originally posted by m0j0mann

Originally posted by Netzoko

I have to laugh at the above responses, they completely prove my point: You have NO evidence of any gameplay besides an animated movie and walls of text. Just because they threw together a 3D animation of some boats and buildings does NOT prove that this game is anything remotely close to what it claims.

Let me give you a lesson: Cinematics =/= Gameplay. Go watch ANY trailor for a game, it is nothing like the real thing. Until we see ACTUAL mechanics, Example: A fraps of someone actually -playing- the game, building a city, etc, this game is still nothing. Don't you guys wonder why all they have released are trailers and nothing real yet?

 

 

Maybe I didn't say it loud enough.

- FPS/Twitch based combat

- FFA PvP - PvP anywhere.

- Full loot PvP.

- No classes

 

Darkfall doesn't have to do much to deliver on those.

What do you want, a detailed video explanation of the exact dynamics of looting a player's corpse?

Oh right, I forgot, that's not what you want.

What you want is to troll the game you hate, and you can't think of anything more original than the old "vaporware" crap.

You should get with the times, most of your kind have moved on to trashing the graphics and community these days.

 

 

Once again, you don't get it. NONE of those things were in the video. All the video featured was some guys running around and you think that verifies every massive gameplay feature they claim to have?

I'm not a hater, I'm a die hard UO fan who would love nothing more than what DF says it offers, but the fact remains that they have NOT backed any of it up. And to be honest, this ridiculous amount of fanboyism is hurting DF. From crashing every other game's hype to recreating hundreds of YouTube videos to making new user accounts to spam DF love. Stop acting and telling lies about DF, the crap you're spewing is nothing but lies.

You know what you're really doing? Building negative hype, because once the game DOES release and lacks the huge features it promised (which it will), everyone will be extremely quick to cancel their subs. Don't promise the world, because once you do you lose credibility. Darkfall lost it years ago.

 

 

Why do they need to "back any of it up"?

I don't understand why they need to prove the features work months before anyone can even buy it.

They have given a rough description of the features. If you personally don't believe them then that's up to you, most people in the DF forum don't want to hear about it though.

If these features were printed on the box, you bought it and they didn't exist then I could see why you would want to complain, but that is not the case.

What video's they release are entirely up them, if you are interested the game but are worried about missing features then either apply for the beta or read some reviews when it's released.

You seem to be waffling a lot of false conjecture because you like the sound of your own voice.

Originally posted by cukimunga

Originally posted by Porthios

Originally posted by mackdawg19

Originally posted by imbant

Originally posted by Harpy_Lady

. FFA PVP doesn't appeal to me in the least no mattter how fantastic the supposed PVE is. I'm not paying a monthly fee to be someone's ganker fodder.

 

 

You are aware you can attack back right?

Not much confidence in your skills huh...oh well, those AI raid bosses that let you spam the same key over and over should be perfect for ya. 

 

Not to get to off-topic but whats wrong with people who enjoy PvE? Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's any better or worse than PvP. Matter fact, your doing the same thing the OP is doing. Both you fools need to open your eyes to both sides of the situation. Neither has a positive or a negative. It's all a matter of preference. Now that I've said that, i still think DF graphics lack alot. You may think im wrong, I couldn't care the least. Gameplay looks just ok. It looks like normal gameplay combat I see in almost any MMO. I find it quite funny though, that all these smaller game companys have come out with complete failures, yet Darkfall has somehow escaped this scenario without people even playing the game. I hope you guys get what you want. But in the end, you probably won't. This is all of course, if DF doesn't learn from the million examples out there. Goodluck DF fans, but don't start barking quite yet. I'd wait till Open Beta or atleast closed beta to see how everything really plays out.

 

There isn't anything wrong with people who don't like PvP, or that purely like PvE. What's silly is that they come onto the DF forums and express dislike for a game that has a huge focus on PvP. That's like me going to a ferrari convention and saying that I don't like Ferraris because they go fast. No kidding. Really? They'd promptly tell me to gtfo.

 

So when we've got a bunch of PvErs coming onto the DF forums getting their panties in a bunch because DF has PvP, we have no choice by the flame the living hell out of them. We just have absolutely no, other, choice.

 

 

You can just ignore them maybe? I like PvP but not full loot. Cuz if I worked hard to get some  awesome  weapon or a set of armor  and then I get ganked and in a flash its gone that would piss me off so bad..  Yeah I could try and gank them back but  thats goign to be hard with out any  gear money or weapons.

Unless gear really dosen't matter in this game that would make more sense.  But why play a game where you don't get gear thats not  cool or is rare?  Isn't that what MMORPG's are about, adventuring and getting cool loot? 

Are you serious? You don't even know how to acquire gear in DF and you're making arguments about its validity in the MMO market. *Sigh...* Okay, a quick crash course.

Items in DF are MUCH easier to come by than items in, for example, WoW. Almost every item in game (except for uber rare quest items [only few people will have these]) is possible to craft by players themselves. Some possible ways to acquire items would be these:

1. Kill people for them. You kill one person, you get an entire body of loot that you can stash in your house, bank, or clan vault. That alone should balance out the fact that you may lose your stuff when you occasionally die.
2. You can gather resources (i.e. herbs, ore, wood, etc...) and then either craft them into something useful yourself, or give to someone who will do the crafting for you.
3. You can kill monsters for money or items that you can use.

The game has a very UO-esque feel in this respect. You won't see everyone running around with the UBER PURPLE SWORDS OF ASS SLAYING. People are going to be running around in somewhat similar quality gear that can range from crappy (for the newbs) to GM (for established players). So it won't be a big deal if you die and lose your loot. You can just go back to your bank/house/clan vault and re-equip yourself.

If you are unprepaired and you die 10 times in the same day--you'd have to be pretty stupid to get PK'd 10 times in one day if you aren't looking for trouble--then you're going to have to scrape together some crappy gear, get a loner set, or beg a little bit, and start fresh.

What non-UO'rs don't get is that it doesn't take much time to get up and running again. In WoW, if you were to lose ALL of your gear, it would take a billion hours of dungeon raiding to get it all back. In DF, losing ALL of your gear, means simply asking someone for a spare set that you can use until you make a little cash again.

Realistically, you'll never be that poor. Only newbies will. After a few months of playing, every single characterin game should have enough cash to steadily re-supply themselves with armor, weapons, spell reagents, etc for days and days without a second of resource gathering.

To the OP:

"So, you name yourself something you hate in order to go post about the game you hate.

I love forum trolls. Dont you guys have better things to do then rip on a game you don't even like?"

www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2242910#2242910

So, whats your excuse for the constant trolling here on the DF boards?

This guy is 100% troll, take a look at his post history and you'll see he does nothing but jump from board to board trashing every game that isn't Warhammer.

Why don't all of you bickering in this thread just wait until Beta and try it for yourselves? Either the gameplay is there or it isn't but all of this pointless banter is an exersize in futility. The graphics are more than passable and the game does *look* fun but the only way any of you are going to know for sure is to actually play it.

One more point I must add though. There was no crafting in the video. That dwarf at the anvil is just an armor merchant and the interaction with him is someone buying a Chain Helm for 200gp. Pause the video and it becomes quite clear. We won't see any crafting until the game launches(or Beta) as Tasos has stated he won't show the crafting system until players experience it first hand. I only thought I would clear this up as a lot of people in this thread and in other threads have been saying there is crafting in the video when there is not.

Bren

Originally posted by imbant

Originally posted by cukimunga

 

But why play a game where you don't get gear thats not  cool or is rare?  Isn't that what MMORPG's are about, adventuring and getting cool loot? 

 

Oh

My

God

 

Please please please tell me this was sarcastic.  I have a feeling it wasnt and I now understand why some of these forum conversations are so tough to get decent discussion on.

No I wasn't sarcastic, what are MMORPG's about to you? My point of view is coming from a DnD player.  I like going out and finding rare items and getting the best gear I can get.  I like PvP as well but I don't like having the chance of losing stuff I worked hard to get.   Yes full loot is more realistic but you know this is a game and games are supposed to be fun and that dosen't sound like to much fun to me.  But if it sounds fun to you more power to ya.

Originally posted by Rebn77

To the OP:

"So, you name yourself something you hate in order to go post about the game you hate.

I love forum trolls. Dont you guys have better things to do then rip on a game you don't even like?"

www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2242910#2242910

 

So, whats your excuse for the constant trolling here on the DF boards?

This guy is 100% troll, take a look at his post history and you'll see he does nothing but jump from board to board trashing every game that isn't Warhammer.

 Gret Job Rebn77!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  You just pwn'ed the OP, and showed us all his true colors.  Rebn77 you shall be known as "Sir Rebn77 The Troll Slayer". Well one troll we will never see here, so many more to go.
 

Originally posted by Brenelael

Why don't all of you bickering in this thread just wait until Beta and try it for yourselves? Either the gameplay is there or it isn't but all of this pointless banter is an exersize in futility. The graphics are more than passable and the game does *look* fun but the only way any of you are going to know for sure is to actually play it.

 

One more point I must add though. There was no crafting in the video. That dwarf at the anvil is just an armor merchant and the interaction with him is someone buying a Chain Helm for 200gp. Pause the video and it becomes quite clear. We won't see any crafting until the game launches(or Beta) as Tasos has stated he won't show the crafting system until players experience it first hand. I only thought I would clear this up as a lot of people in this thread and in other threads have been saying there is crafting in the video when there is not.

 

Bren

hmm for some reason, and i could be wrong, i remembe a recent statement saying that it was a player crafter shown.  you definitely make a good point, ill go see if i can find the quote if it exists.