Originally posted by Roin

Originally posted by daarco

So we get another PvE experts opinion about a PvP MMO, he/she didnt seemed to understand anything about.

Its if i would watch a PvE video of example WAR, and complaining that it dpesnt look anything like the cinematic trailer! Or watching a combat video and saying the crosshair is missing, or they have forgot to remove the weird thig under the character (target circle).

If i dont understand more, maybe i should read up some first.....otherwise i would look as a total idiote on the example WAR forum!

 

Actually the OP made a very good point that all the DF Supporters keep over looking.  DF even now continues to brag about the sheer amount of features it will have at release. AI, Crafting, City Building, Instanced but Open Dungeons, etc etc.

The complaint he is trying to make has nothing to do with graphics.  His complaint is where is the gameplay.  Yes Darkfall is a PvP game, but it also has made comments stating it's more then that.   Pretty much claiming it will have parts to please the Crafters, PvP's, and PvE's.  Yet the video released was pretty much 99.999% Combat and nothing else.

Combat is not entirely what makes up Darkfalls gameplay unless they suddenly started removing features.  Which to my knowledge they haven't.  The movie could have just as easily been 10 mins of combat.  This includes the naval, city, mount, and foot combat.  The rest of the video should have been showing off the other GAMEPLAY features, that they themselves claim are part of the current game.

Just about anyone here knew what to expect from Darkfalls combat.  The video just reinforced it.  What wasn't shown though is the other stuff. 

How does harvesting resources work? Is it like UO or EQ2/WOW/Horizons with nodes that are used.

How does crafting actually work? Is there a recipe book? What does it look like? Where and what do you need for crafting?  Is it like EQ2 where you have to be by certain benches?  Will guild halls be able to have them in their cities?

How does skill progress worked?  Is it like UO? Do they decline over time? Is there a limit to how many a single character can max out? or even raise?

How does raising a city work? Is it like Shadowbane where you don't have much control over the lay out of walls?  How much space are you allowed to use?  Does it use some sort of terrain overlay?

 

Hell there is plenty of other stuff on my mind and the minds of others.  The video didn't answer much of anything as far as I'm concerned.  If Darkfall was simply tagged as a Combat PvP Sandbox MMORPG.  That would have been the best video ever to represent it.    However Darkfall supposedly is not like that, it has a laundry list of stuff.  Yet not single bit of useful video footage really exist for any of those other features.  Just a "comprehensive" video that is almost 20 mins of nothing but combat.  Graphics, Animations aside.   They have nothing to do with why I was unimpressed with the video.  The fact that the video was nothing but scene after scene of combat (staged at that).  Is what made it unimpressive.

 

 

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Originally posted by Roin

Originally posted by daarco

So we get another PvE experts opinion about a PvP MMO, he/she didnt seemed to understand anything about.

Its if i would watch a PvE video of example WAR, and complaining that it dpesnt look anything like the cinematic trailer! Or watching a combat video and saying the crosshair is missing, or they have forgot to remove the weird thig under the character (target circle).

If i dont understand more, maybe i should read up some first.....otherwise i would look as a total idiote on the example WAR forum!

 

Actually the OP made a very good point that all the DF Supporters keep over looking.  DF even now continues to brag about the sheer amount of features it will have at release. AI, Crafting, City Building, Instanced but Open Dungeons, etc etc.

The complaint he is trying to make has nothing to do with graphics.  His complaint is where is the gameplay.  Yes Darkfall is a PvP game, but it also has made comments stating it's more then that.   Pretty much claiming it will have parts to please the Crafters, PvP's, and PvE's.  Yet the video released was pretty much 99.999% Combat and nothing else.

Combat is not entirely what makes up Darkfalls gameplay unless they suddenly started removing features.  Which to my knowledge they haven't.  The movie could have just as easily been 10 mins of combat.  This includes the naval, city, mount, and foot combat.  The rest of the video should have been showing off the other GAMEPLAY features, that they themselves claim are part of the current game.

Just about anyone here knew what to expect from Darkfalls combat.  The video just reinforced it.  What wasn't shown though is the other stuff. 

How does harvesting resources work? Is it like UO or EQ2/WOW/Horizons with nodes that are used.

How does crafting actually work? Is there a recipe book? What does it look like? Where and what do you need for crafting?  Is it like EQ2 where you have to be by certain benches?  Will guild halls be able to have them in their cities?

How does skill progress worked?  Is it like UO? Do they decline over time? Is there a limit to how many a single character can max out? or even raise?

How does raising a city work? Is it like Shadowbane where you don't have much control over the lay out of walls?  How much space are you allowed to use?  Does it use some sort of terrain overlay?

 

Hell there is plenty of other stuff on my mind and the minds of others.  The video didn't answer much of anything as far as I'm concerned.  If Darkfall was simply tagged as a Combat PvP Sandbox MMORPG.  That would have been the best video ever to represent it.    However Darkfall supposedly is not like that, it has a laundry list of stuff.  Yet not single bit of useful video footage really exist for any of those other features.  Just a "comprehensive" video that is almost 20 mins of nothing but combat.  Graphics, Animations aside.   They have nothing to do with why I was unimpressed with the video.  The fact that the video was nothing but scene after scene of combat (staged at that).  Is what made it unimpressive.

 

I agree. The video left much to be desired. I wish they would have announced another video rather than leave everyone hanging, thinking that perhaps PvP was all there was to DF. Hopefully we'll see much more in the future.

Mike you are pretty quick to play the personal attack card.

You called thunderous out first and tried to make him look incorrect with your "15 sec uhhh ok" comment.  And I pointed out that you were wrong".  I didnt go on a rant where i insulted your sexuality or anything.  Calm down.

I will never understand why some people just cant post their comments on a game they are skeptical about or just dont want once, and then just let it be.  If you dont think it will ever come out or dont have enough proof for you, fine....say it once and move on.

Instead we get a thread titled "ok fanboys".....who are you trying to prove stuff to?

At the end of the day everything is still the same...we are still excited about a game....and the rest are still bitter about whatever.

Cant wait for beta and the responses that we get from it.

Originally posted by Porthios

Originally posted by Roin

Originally posted by daarco

So we get another PvE experts opinion about a PvP MMO, he/she didnt seemed to understand anything about.

Its if i would watch a PvE video of example WAR, and complaining that it dpesnt look anything like the cinematic trailer! Or watching a combat video and saying the crosshair is missing, or they have forgot to remove the weird thig under the character (target circle).

If i dont understand more, maybe i should read up some first.....otherwise i would look as a total idiote on the example WAR forum!

 

Actually the OP made a very good point that all the DF Supporters keep over looking.  DF even now continues to brag about the sheer amount of features it will have at release. AI, Crafting, City Building, Instanced but Open Dungeons, etc etc.

The complaint he is trying to make has nothing to do with graphics.  His complaint is where is the gameplay.  Yes Darkfall is a PvP game, but it also has made comments stating it's more then that.   Pretty much claiming it will have parts to please the Crafters, PvP's, and PvE's.  Yet the video released was pretty much 99.999% Combat and nothing else.

Combat is not entirely what makes up Darkfalls gameplay unless they suddenly started removing features.  Which to my knowledge they haven't.  The movie could have just as easily been 10 mins of combat.  This includes the naval, city, mount, and foot combat.  The rest of the video should have been showing off the other GAMEPLAY features, that they themselves claim are part of the current game.

Just about anyone here knew what to expect from Darkfalls combat.  The video just reinforced it.  What wasn't shown though is the other stuff. 

How does harvesting resources work? Is it like UO or EQ2/WOW/Horizons with nodes that are used.

How does crafting actually work? Is there a recipe book? What does it look like? Where and what do you need for crafting?  Is it like EQ2 where you have to be by certain benches?  Will guild halls be able to have them in their cities?

How does skill progress worked?  Is it like UO? Do they decline over time? Is there a limit to how many a single character can max out? or even raise?

How does raising a city work? Is it like Shadowbane where you don't have much control over the lay out of walls?  How much space are you allowed to use?  Does it use some sort of terrain overlay?

 

Hell there is plenty of other stuff on my mind and the minds of others.  The video didn't answer much of anything as far as I'm concerned.  If Darkfall was simply tagged as a Combat PvP Sandbox MMORPG.  That would have been the best video ever to represent it.    However Darkfall supposedly is not like that, it has a laundry list of stuff.  Yet not single bit of useful video footage really exist for any of those other features.  Just a "comprehensive" video that is almost 20 mins of nothing but combat.  Graphics, Animations aside.   They have nothing to do with why I was unimpressed with the video.  The fact that the video was nothing but scene after scene of combat (staged at that).  Is what made it unimpressive.

 

 

I agree. The video left much to be desired. I wish they would have announced another video rather than leave everyone hanging, thinking that perhaps PvP was all there was to DF. Hopefully we'll see much more in the future.

I doubt we'll see anything from Aventurine (i.e. podcasts showing that the features are fun and functional). However, I'll wait until people get in the Beta (if it's for real this time) and can make videos. There's always people who will do nice, long ones showing their favorite features while explaining things. If Aventurine won't do it that's all skeptics will have to judge whether it's worth it or not.

Originally posted by mike470

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by mike470

Originally posted by Thunderous

Look, if you people don't want to play the game, referring to the OP, then don't.

Being doubtful and not wanting to play; there's a difference.

The graphics are fine, the gameplay has been shown, we have seen plenty of screenshots of the UI.

If you coutn an overal 15 seconds of UI "plenty" then sure.

We will all know soon enough if the game is real, what it offers, and if it is worth playing.  It isn't any more difficult than that.

Proof is always nice.

Quit trying to get attention.  Some of us are capable of making you look silly in any debate you offer.

Personal attack. 

 

 

Screenshots....he wasnt refering to the video.  Funny how some people seem to already have what they want to say in response to someone before they even read what they wrote.  That or they just have a list of comments that no one will convince them may be wrong.

To be clear...he said SCREENSHOTS of the UI....and not refering to the 15 seconds of the video you mentio.  I should quit my job, there is a small fortune to be made in the Tinfoil Hat industry it seems.

Also Bren made some good points mike that you may want to read.

 

I suppose I misread; although it's nice to know misreading something can quickly turn into personal attacks.  It seems like I've made enemies....it's going to be an interesting couple of months.

But still, there isn't enough of the UI for me.  I don't want screenshots, I want to see it in action.   UI screens don't really show the gameplay.

I just love how players just look at the DF video and see the best gameplay ever...I suppose I just don't realy see great gameplay in the video (not saying DF doesn't have great gameplay, I just didn't get that vibe forkm the video).

Then again, I'm sure someone will still end up attacking me. 

Man, you're such a softy...

Come up to the DF forums. That'll toughen you up a notch or two. ;D

Originally posted by originalegg

Mike you are pretty quick to play the personal attack card.

You called thunderous out first and tried to make him look incorrect with your "15 sec uhhh ok" comment.  And I pointed out that you were wrong".  I didnt go on a rant where i insulted your sexuality or anything.  Calm down.

I will never understand why some people just cant post their comments on a game they are skeptical about or just dont want once, and then just let it be.  If you dont think it will ever come out or dont have enough proof for you, fine....say it once and move on.

Instead we get a thread titled "ok fanboys".....who are you trying to prove stuff to?

At the end of the day everything is still the same...we are still excited about a game....and the rest are still bitter about whatever.

Cant wait for beta and the responses that we get from it.

Because forums are for both sides of the coin. Thus, leading to these types of flame wars. Please go to a fansite forum if you want to talk about the game itself (i.e. "Hey who else thinks the _______ feature is really cool?), rather than everything else about it. Two types of discussion; you can't have the kind you want on these forums, lol. No game can.

Originally posted by Bruticus_XI

Originally posted by originalegg

Mike you are pretty quick to play the personal attack card.

You called thunderous out first and tried to make him look incorrect with your "15 sec uhhh ok" comment.  And I pointed out that you were wrong".  I didnt go on a rant where i insulted your sexuality or anything.  Calm down.

I will never understand why some people just cant post their comments on a game they are skeptical about or just dont want once, and then just let it be.  If you dont think it will ever come out or dont have enough proof for you, fine....say it once and move on.

Instead we get a thread titled "ok fanboys".....who are you trying to prove stuff to?

At the end of the day everything is still the same...we are still excited about a game....and the rest are still bitter about whatever.

Cant wait for beta and the responses that we get from it.

Because forums are for both sides of the coin. Thus, leading to these types of flame wars. Please go to a fansite forum if you want to talk about the game itself (i.e. "Hey who else thinks the _______ feature is really cool?), rather than everything else about it. Two types of discussion; you can't have the kind you want on these forums, lol. No game can.

yes but a lot of the time it isnt a discussion on the other end....its just "um the game isnt real"  or "im not convinced its real based on the video"...and it repeats and repeats.

you dont feel the video proved the game was real? fine thats cool.  but there is no reason to keep saying it in every thread.

and again...everyone who is saying they didnt see crafting, ui, etc etc...you werent suppose to.  the video did what it was suppose to....show the situations you can have in Darkfall and just give the fans something to show the game is real and what it looks like.

if you need to see more detail of ingame footage to believe this game is real, that is perfectly fine.  but it is straight up wrong to come into threads where people are discussing pve, pvp, or other aspects and say "um how can you discuss this when you dont know for sure it is in game because the video doesnt show it".  No one else cares that it wasnt in the video because we dont need it to convince us to have a discussion about it.

Originally posted by originalegg

Mike you are pretty quick to play the personal attack card.

I though I've been better over the last few months.  I haven't thrown many personal attacks at all; unless someone pushes my buttons too much...If I began throwing countless personal attacks like yourself, you would be able to tell.

You called thunderous out first and tried to make him look incorrect with your "15 sec uhhh ok" comment.  And I pointed out that you were wrong".  I didnt go on a rant where i insulted your sexuality or anything.  Calm down.

I thought he was referring to the video...I said I had misread in my post, yet you tell em to read threads before I post, how ironic

I will never understand why some people just cant post their comments on a game they are skeptical about or just dont want once, and then just let it be.  If you dont think it will ever come out or dont have enough proof for you, fine....say it once and move on.

Because we like sharing our opinion.

Instead we get a thread titled "ok fanboys".....who are you trying to prove stuff to?

Well I didn't make the titles.

At the end of the day everything is still the same...we are still excited about a game....and the rest are still bitter about whatever.

I'm not bitter, I'm sharing my opinion.

I'm not too bitter, unlike some people on these boards (both fans and haters alike).

Cant wait for beta and the responses that we get from it.

One things you fans just don't realize is that some of us skeptics want the game to turn out good.  Please, Adventurine, prove me wrong!  I would love playing an open PVP full loot game, sounds like fun. 

I win either way.

I made the title because it fits. It really doesn't matter what the title is anyway.

We are not saying that the video isn't real, we are saying that they lefr out pretty much every fancy feature they claim to have. You know, sieges, player cities, and all the stuff us MMORPG fans want. Instead, we get a video with Oblivion combat and some simple animations. And that was -not- in-game footage, it was made in the game engine, yes, but playing the game doesn't look like that.

I started this topic NOT as a troll or a hater, but as a center for discussion with the fanboys, otherwise known as avid fans of the game who love the video and actually think the game will deliver everything it promises. I personally do not think DF will deliver nearly what it promised years ago, so I wanted to see the reasoning behind those that do.

The video did not show the key features of DF; this is my arguement, what is yours?