Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by solareus

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by Jackdog

The definition of PvP is player vs player last time I  looked it up. In other words one player playing his character against another player controlled character rather than a computer controlled NPC. It does not matter if the other player is playing his spider or warg or orc or minstrel or hunter the challenge of playing against a live person is still the same. Therefor the statement that LoTRO has no PvP is false.

You want ganking, unbalanced classes, exploits and constant nerfs feel free to go play AoC. It has plenty of those to go around.

 

Something about this post screams scared of PvP

The OP asked "Real" PvP, you know with consequences...

Lotro fails for me there. PvE can be fun at times but PvP as in Player Vs Player is a joke for me, its not even fun.

 

LOL so you play Shadowbane now ? I knew aoC was weak GvP (gank vs player) Hope you have a good time in Shadowbane Avery , it is a great PVP game.

I think LotRO Monster Play is a lot more dynamic then people think. You aren't just going into the moors as a freep to pvp , there is some serious loot to get from quests, and having human players inside the monsters really makes completing those quest a lot more difficult. No other game has this kind of dynamic interaction between  player vs player.  You either get it, or you don't . A lot, A lot of people get it and enjoy it, creating rivalries and just all around epic battles between good vs evil. This is just the beginning lol, I bet you that Mordor will be the biggest MPVP arena ever constructed by man lol ....

 

Actually I played Shadowbane for nearly a year and left about 11 months ago,have been subbed to Lotro since launch, VG too, As well as AoC of course more recently. I don't find AoC's GvG weak at all, I bet 97% of people that complain about AoC's pvp have not tried Sieges yet.

Regardless, Monster Play is a let down for me, yes loot can be good from quests, and the concept is alright, but it just doesnt pull it off for me. Thats all I am saying. Mordor could swing it back for me to give it a concerted effort again, but at this point in time only reason I am still subbed is because I havent done all PvE aspects yet.

 

Yo Avery

I finally agreed with a lot of what you said (in this thread), but reading about AoC made me chuckle. Sieges are still broken everybody says and this is two months after launch. AoC still hasn't delivered basic things like blood coins, consequences for pvp, fully working sieges, border kingdoms - where are the towers and ressource control points? Mercenaries? Funcom hasn't delivered the brutal pvp game they promised!! Etc etc..

I honestly would rather pick up Lotro (never tried it) than AoC again (played tech, general beta, open beta, early access and most of my free month)..

That said, I too am very dissappointed with this game.

It is so sad to see SOE sunk the Star Wars IP, Funcom sank Conan and Turbine has sunken both DDO (couldnt stomach it) and Lotro (no pvp).

To the OP:

You won't find many that agree with you here. This game is heavily besieged by the PVE crowd and it is too late now for Turbine to turn it around.

Monster Play is not a chance to develop and grow a character from scratch. And it is not real open pvp.

Personally I can't pick up an mmo without pvp. And I think a good IP like this deserve a real pvp game. Not just some hold your hand storylines for the carebears.

This IP screams realm versus realm warfare.

One can only hope one day they will evolve it and make some pvp servers, but I doubt they will do it now when they have a strong pve fanbase. Too sad it should happen to Tolkien's IP of all things.

I play LoTRO as it is, because it's a solid MMO, with a great story, great PVE and BEAUTIFUL graphics and art. This is a time filler for me, I just cancelled my SOE all access account and AoC, and WoW a while back. So I'm playing LoTRO until I get bored or until something better comes out.

What I would have loved to see would have been the choice to play the army of Sauron. Roll an Urak-hai (sp) and go smash some filthy hobbitses...

Originally posted by skeaser

I play LoTRO as it is, because it's a solid MMO, with a great story, great PVE and BEAUTIFUL graphics and art. This is a time filler for me, I just cancelled my SOE all access account and AoC, and WoW a while back. So I'm playing LoTRO until I get bored or until something better comes out.

What I would have loved to see would have been the choice to play the army of Sauron. Roll an Urak-hai (sp) and go smash some filthy hobbitses...

Ok I feel like Im getting abit repetetive...

You can roll an Uruk (war-leader or Blackarrow) and go out and kill hobbits (I love it too :))

They even have a small village in the Ettens so you can go there and kill them all night long..

and to Draccan... Im pretty happy that Turbine didnt let the PvP people who dont give a shit about the lore ruin the IP created by Tolkien... play Lotr:conquest when it comes out if you dont care about the lore and just want to kill other people (not a MMO thou) ... and if you read through this thread you will see perfect reasons why RvR isnt perfect for this IP...

Originally posted by Draccan

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I honestly would rather pick up Lotro (never tried it) 

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Monster Play is not a chance to develop and grow a character from scratch. And it is not real open pvp.

 

I can feel a slight contradiction here... a glitch in the matrix (called:  credibility? :)

DB

Originally posted by Greenfeen

Its been confirmed by the devs. There is no new pvmp area in the MOM expansion.

Just tweaks to the existing ettenmoors and vague references to possibly a new pvmp area some time well beyond the MoM expansion.

All us full time creeps just saved cash. Theres no need to buy the expansion unless you have to for the creep autolevel. If thats the case I can wait till MoM's in the discount bin.

edit add link.

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=151423

I stand corrected. I am a big boy and can admit when i am wrong. Just cause there is no new PvMP area with the release of the expansion doesn't meen they won't later put one in.

I have the impression that the moors are being expanded somehow.  They haven't told us anything concrete, but they have made references to something that sounds a lot like the relic and realm bonus system in DAoC. 

I also don't think that LoTRO is a good game for someone that only wants to PvP by any stretch. It has great PvP, and what's there is a ton of fun.  But there's only one zone and only so much to do.  Even on my play schedule I doubt it would be more than a few months of content if that's all I did. 

LoTRO is about having a diversity of activities to choose from.  If you focus on one exclusively (be it PvP, raiding, crafting, or whatever) and don't care about anything else, you are going to burn through your subset of the content pretty quickly.  For example, I've been pretty much "done" with crafting on my main for 6 months (though I do still need to grind out one more level of Foreschel faction for recipes), so I moved on to other activities.

I wouldn't really recommend LoTRO to someone that only wants to craft, only wants to raid, or only wants to PvP, personally.   All of those systems are solid, but none are meant to be an entire game unto themselves.  I wonder if this is explaining some of the difference between folks that "get" LoTRO and those that find it lacking. 

Of course there's also folks that play 5+ hours a day for weeks or months on end.  No linear MMO is really going to keep pace with someone that plays like that, unless it's been out for years or they really enjoy alts.   I don't envy someone that burns through the game like popcorn, I would imagine you'd miss out on a lot of what I enjoy about it.  Plus you'd be twiddling your thumbs in between major updates (if you even stuck around long enough to see them).

I do long hours on the weekends but can barely log during the week.  I also enjoy alts a lot (crafting alt army ftw!).  I will likely never run out of content with my playstyle. 

'If you think PvP is all about ganking in the open, then you're sorely mistaken.  There are many different aspects of it, such as instanced Battlegrounds in WoW, or mini games in AoC.  In LotRO, it's regulated to one zone only.'
Uh, 'real' PvP is about ganking in the open. It's about being given a free hand to hurt a member of another faction who stumbles across your path, any time, anywhere.
Also, people asserting that the conclusion of LotR being written in stone, thusly justifying the lack of 'real' PvP, are full of it. Sure, Sauron is going to ultimately lose, but that doesn't mean that he didn't prevail occasionally. Certainly, he won some battles outside the core storylines featured in the books. If he didn't, than why is everyone terrified of him? If Sauron and his armies didn't occasionally roll over anyone, why is everyone (including Gandalf) afraid to even say his name? I know that if my arch nemesis had gone 0 for his last 15,634 battles, I wouldn't exactly be quaking in my boots, even if I was facing 3-to-1 or 5-to-1 or whatever odds.
Let's look at SWG as an example. SWG had a very open PvP system. It also has a written-in-stone outcome for the Empire. Did that stop Imperial players from trying to win, despite the fact that their ultimate fate is pretty much locked in? Nope, it didn't.
LotR's conclusion is most definitely a final and ultimate victory for Gondor and the Fellowship, but I seriously doubt that would stop players from launching, say, a hundred-warg assault on Bree, or a Goblin attack on Rivendel. What you fail to acknowledge (or maybe just choose to ignore) is that Turbine has already violated the lore in so many ways that my guess is that Tolkien, glaring down from heaven, is already quite affronted.
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Originally posted by ShrikeSWG

'If you think PvP is all about ganking in the open, then you're sorely mistaken.  There are many different aspects of it, such as instanced Battlegrounds in WoW, or mini games in AoC.  In LotRO, it's regulated to one zone only.'
Uh, 'real' PvP is about ganking in the open. It's about being given a free hand to hurt a member of another faction who stumbles across your path, any time, anywhere.
Also, people asserting that the conclusion of LotR being written in stone, thusly justifying the lack of 'real' PvP, are full of it. Sure, Sauron is going to ultimately lose, but that doesn't mean that he didn't prevail occasionally. Certainly, he won some battles outside the core storylines featured in the books. If he didn't, than why is everyone terrified of him? If Sauron and his armies didn't occasionally roll over anyone, why is everyone (including Gandalf) afraid to even say his name? I know that if my arch nemesis had gone 0 for his last 15,634 battles, I wouldn't exactly be quaking in my boots, even if I was facing 3-to-1 or 5-to-1 or whatever odds.
Let's look at SWG as an example. SWG had a very open PvP system. It also has a written-in-stone outcome for the Empire. Did that stop Imperial players from trying to win, despite the fact that their ultimate fate is pretty much locked in? Nope, it didn't.
LotR's conclusion is most definitely a final and ultimate victory for Gondor and the Fellowship, but I seriously doubt that would stop players from launching, say, a hundred-warg assault on Bree, or a Goblin attack on Rivendel. What you fail to acknowledge (or maybe just choose to ignore) is that Turbine has already violated the lore in so many ways that my guess is that Tolkien, glaring down from heaven, is already quite affronted.
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Originally posted by observer

Originally posted by Greenfeen

Its been confirmed by the devs. There is no new pvmp area in the MOM expansion.

Just tweaks to the existing ettenmoors and vague references to possibly a new pvmp area some time well beyond the MoM expansion.

All us full time creeps just saved cash. Theres no need to buy the expansion unless you have to for the creep autolevel. If thats the case I can wait till MoM's in the discount bin.

edit add link.

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=151423

 

Ouch.  That really sucks.  Maybe they'll do something like they did with Delving of Fror, and add another instance within Ettenmoors.

I'm wondering why someone play LotRO as a full time creep though.  You're really missing out on the rest of the game. 

Cheers Observer,

I haven't missed the rest of the game. Hehe you could even say, I've see the whole game and thats probably why I'm a full time creep. I have the lvl50's, the gm crafters, tons of rep, 4/6 rift with dkp in bank to finish it up if I cared too. I never  last more than a minute or two on the pve side and its straight back to creep mp. Its been that way after the first month the game went live, lvl the toon then parked him unless the kinship would drag me kicking and screamin from the ettens.

Although as a full time creep I'm the first to admit the Ettens has gotten very stale and just as static as the rest of the game. Thats why I'm disappointed theres no expansion of zones. As far as what the devs have to say on what their changes will be to tweak the Ettens. Lots of hot air and marketing. After all its mvmp. Lotro doesnt do anything in the Ettens unless their hand is forced. This last book creeps got emotes and both sides diminsihing returns. Something they said they would look into and institute back when it  all went live on Arwen. So 18 months later is appears. The big ettens expansion the Delving from the creep prespective is just a barely used underground dead zone for forced pve for pot mats.

So while I'm grateful the devs shot straight on this,informing us all that once again pve is their priority and mvmp players stay back burner. Thats cool. My fun money will sit on the sidelines for Warhammer and anything Lotro will be just to log and chat up my old creep buddies.

Cheers and much respect Observer.

Originally posted by observer

Originally posted by Yamota

The lore is all but set for a conflict between the Good and the Evil so why dont they introduce Orcs, Urukhais, Goblins and "Men of the South" as playable evil races and let us fight for control of Middle Earth?

It seems so obvious...

 

Please define what "real" PvP is.

If you think PvP is all about ganking in the open, then you're sorely mistaken.  There are many different aspects of it, such as instanced Battlegrounds in WoW, or mini games in AoC.  In LotRO, it's regulated to one zone only.

Speaking of AoC, is it "real" PvP, since the majority of their PvP servers are FFA?

At the core "actual" PvP pits player characters versus player characters. Not PC's versus PC's in control of an NPC that is not their own personal avatar.

REAL PvP is FFA without any restrictions in the actual game world.

AoC is the closest new MMO that has actual real pvp. However, the instanced zones really kill that feel. Also, the fact that guild sieges are also instanced like some glorified AV is also complete garbage.

Games promising actual real PvP are Darkfall and Mortal Online. I highly doubt either ever make it to the shelves.

Originally posted by Retrad

Originally posted by observer

Originally posted by Yamota

The lore is all but set for a conflict between the Good and the Evil so why dont they introduce Orcs, Urukhais, Goblins and "Men of the South" as playable evil races and let us fight for control of Middle Earth?

It seems so obvious...

 

Please define what "real" PvP is.

If you think PvP is all about ganking in the open, then you're sorely mistaken.  There are many different aspects of it, such as instanced Battlegrounds in WoW, or mini games in AoC.  In LotRO, it's regulated to o